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fenugreek, night nursing... help!

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I don't know if it's because my babies are 14 mos old and deep in the "I cant live without you mama!!" mode or if I need to change something about the way we nurse, sleep or nap or what, but I can't seem to get my babies off me at all during the night. Maybe for a short moment, Charlotte will roll on her back, but if I try to unlatch them, they freak out. Else will stay latched on all night and then want to nurse more in the morning before and after breakfast.

I'm wondering if taking fenugreek would help - perhaps to up my supply and make them more full? I'm trying to watch the amount of water I give them so they don't fill up on water and end up weaning because they like their sippy cups more...

During the daytime, they're a bit more predictable with normal nursing and attachment habits, it's just the nighttimes that I'm wondering about.

Any suggestions? Should I try a little fenugreek and see if it helps? If I start taking it, how much do I take? and do I need to keep taking it?

or is this common and I should just relax and enjoy it? I don't know if they're latched on all night for comfort or because they're truly hungry.

thanks!
susan

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My baby would stay latched on all night, on top of me, if I let him - at 13 months and 24 pounds, ooof! But I can tell that his nursing gets to be comfort nursing at some point, that little fluttery suck where he's not swallowing. He would happily sleep on top of me with my nipple in his mouth all night. So when he's deep asleep and doing that, I do the Pantley pull off trick (from the No Cry Sleep Solution) where I delatch him and then gently hold his chin up to keep his mouth shut, and he will usually stay asleep after that. He does spend a couple hours in the morning snuggling and snacking, but I don't mind being half-awake in the morning nearly as much as I do in the dead of night.

You're probably dead tired when they do this, but can you observe them for a few nights and see whether they're actually nursing or whether they're comfort sucking? I don't mean to dis comfort sucking and its importance, but when it interferes with your sleep, it's a problem.

I would try weaning them from the habit of sleeping latched on to see if you can gently get them used to sleeping without the breast. Personally, I would be inclined not to take fenugreek to up your supply if it's a comfort/behavioral thing rather than a hunger thing for them.
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Hi Sue,

Maybe there is more about this in Mothering Your Nursing Toddler? I am thinking this is prime time for teething molars, isn't it? My 3 never minded teething much, except at night when all was still and boring, then the pain would kick in.

I know you used to have oversupply, so now I would not suspect undersupply. Do you drink enough before bed and at night? Do you lie down and nap with them during the day? More rest can up your prolactin levels.

I know they also want to nurse during the day every time you sit down. Might just be an emotional thing for now, combined with a still limited amt of solids, and teeth coming in! You could certainly try the fenugreek, Jane knows the dosages that are best. She also had good luck with blessed thistle and oatmeal. Be careful, oversupply can cause too much lactose and upset tummies.
Hi Sue,

Maybe there is more about this in Mothering Your Nursing Toddler? I am thinking this is prime time for teething molars, isn't it? My 3 never minded teething much, except at night when all was still and boring, then the pain would kick in.

I know you used to have oversupply, so now I would not suspect undersupply. Do you drink enough before bed and at night? Do you lie down and nap with them during the day? More rest can up your prolactin levels.

I know they also want to nurse during the day every time you sit down. Might just be an emotional thing for now, combined with a still limited amt of solids, and teeth coming in! You could certainly try the fenugreek, Jane knows the dosages that are best. She also had good luck with blessed thistle and oatmeal. Be careful, oversupply can cause too much lactose and upset tummies.
I'm going to second DaryLLL's thoughts on teething. It was around the same period that dd did the same thing. I also noticed not too long ago that she was starting again, had thoughts that I'd never sleep well again, and then a few weeks later two of her two-year molars had popped through the gums. Even if you can't see the teeth poking through now, my bet would be that they're teething.

That being said, in the middle of the night, I have slid down and curled up at the bottom of the bed to put a little distance between us if I needed to grab a little sleep. That gave me just a little time to "rest up". Hang on if you can and it'll pass.
I'm not really sure so I don't want to give bad advice. I just wanted to say you are a GREAT MOMMA for nursing twins!
I would guess that they are more nursing out of comfort/habit and just like having that nipple in their mouth-plus a little milk here and there isn't bad either! I doubt it's an under-supply problem or even a hunger-based thing at this point (though I could be wrong, but you should be able to tell if they're nursing out of hunger or for comfort, right?). If they are really nursing up a storm and are obviously hungry maybe you could try to make sure they get a good amount of milk in their tummies before they fall asleep? My DD used to drift off before she had really nursed long enough to be full, and then would wake up ravenous and crabby an hour later. I used to have to keep her stimulated at the night-time nursing to make sure she got a complete nursing and that helped her to sleep longer.
With my DS I used to sneak a pacifier into his mouth after he was deeply asleep and I had unlatched him. It was the only way I could get some sleep, and it helped him to sleep longer periods without waking (he was one who woke every 20 mn or so to latch on, until he was about 12 mnths old). He never used a pacifier at any other time, but it did buy me some extra zzzs when he was a babe.
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