[soladeo]

I was diagnosed with fibro about 6 mos. ago- had symptoms for quite a while before that. I've been on a combination treatment of lexapro (doesn't seem to help), myocalm (works a little), chiro and massage (help the most, but of course doesn't last). Anyway, we moved, and I went to a new chiro. He says my fibro is actually an infection. He did kinesiology (I think??) on me, and determined I have five infections with parasites being the worst. He adjusted me and gave me an herbal supplement of black walnut hulls. I have to take it for quite a while to kill all the parasites. He said then we'll tackle the other infections.

Anyone hear of this?? I'm totally for alternative cures/therapies, but because of the lack of providers, have not had much experience. My last chiro NEVER mentioned this. I go to a rheumtologist/internist/alternative therapies physician at the end of the month, and I'm wondering if I should try the chiro's therapy or not. I've been told that fibro cannot be cured, just managed, but I've never been able to really feel good for a while. I would LOVE to have this be the cure. Thoughts??????

 

[a_work_in_progress]

Have you looked into Lyme Disease and other tick bourne illnesses as a possible culprit? Ehrlichiosis? Babesiosis? Tests are unreliable for diagnosing. What are your symptoms besides constant pain/fatigue?

 

[tylertyler]

Fibrom. Is a IATROGENIC disease (illness brought on by prescription meds) You prob took antibiotics for something,this with all the other meds in your body,Hormone pills,birth controll pills..............etc.all add to the toxic coctail of yeast inside your body,causing this sluggish,conjested, tiredness.
CFS Chronic Fatigue Syndrom is also part of this picture.
With Fibro. the simplest first step is to take extra magnesium daily this helps the muscles greatly,the rest is the detox ...................Will take several months to a year. No dairy,no sugar,no alcohol,no breads,cookies,pastries.
Also lookinto seeing a Naturopath........................
Conventional meds has no answers for fibro.
TYLER

 

[soladeo]

Quote:

Originally Posted by a_work_in_progress Have you looked into Lyme Disease and other tick bourne illnesses as a possible culprit? Ehrlichiosis? Babesiosis? Tests are unreliable for diagnosing. What are your symptoms besides constant pain/fatigue?

I didn't live in an area where there were a lot of ticks, though who knows-I'll bring it up. Symptoms: pain-head, neck, jaw (I have TMJ), back, hands; "fogginess", eye prescriptions keep changing quickly, tender points, sleep problems.

As far as taking medicines, I normally do not take prescription meds. I've not taken birth control since I was teen, and I avoid antibiotics. The first time I actually took conventional medicine was about three months ago-the Lexapro. I just needed some relief.

I was tested for some other diseases, like rheumtoid (sp), which came back negative.

 

[soladeo]

I do take extra magnesium-that's the myocalm.

I am totally willing to detox, and do whatever I get relief and get my life back. There are no naturopaths that I know around here, and I don't think my insurance would cover it. As my husband and I were talking, we are willing to try non-conventional therapies and pay for it, if it means recovery, but I need it to actually work, and not be "snake oil."

 

[a_work_in_progress]

It definately sounds like Lyme Disease to me! Look up the symptoms and see if it matches up for you. The treatment is long term antibiotics and it may make you feel worse.

 

[Crisstiana]

Hi:

I would be extremely wary about anyone who purports to know the cause of fibromyalgia, whether it be an MD, chiropracter, or someone on this site. This has been a hot topic in medicine for many years now, and proof of a cause would be BIG news. It would be published in a journal like the New England Journal of Medicine or the Lancet, and the authors would be on The Today show, etc. I also would wonder where you picked parasites, unless you have traveled internationally, have a contaminated well, or have other high-risk factors. Did he specify which parasite? Also, which 5 infections? Did he specify? I would want a whole lot more information than this before I would agree to his treatment plan because it sounds pretty iffy to me (I try to keep up on fibro info because my sister is really suffering with it). It sounds like you have a good plan in meeting with the rheumtologist/internist/alternative therapies physician. Regardless of who you see, I would want more substantial, credible information than what it appears you have been given so far.

Good luck! I hope you find some relief soon.

 

[Metasequoia]

If you read the book Chronic Fatigue Unmasked, 2000 by Gerald Poesnecker, he says that Fibro/CFS is a double-sided coin, both caused by adrenal fatigue. He also says of Lyme, if your adrenals aren't functioning properly, no amount of antibiotic therapy will cure you.

I'm currently going to Clymer Healing Center which specializes in CFS/Fibro where Dr. Poesnecker was the directer for 14 years. The doctor I see specializes in adrenal fatigue, 90% of his patients are adrenal fatigue patients.

Adrenal Fatigue can cause muscle pain/weakness as well as joint pain & brain fog. It's nearly impossible to find a doctor who knows how to treat it properly. Mine is a naturopath, hand selected by Dr. Poesnecker. If you go to chronicfatigue.org, you should be able to find a doctor. I had a blood test done that showed very low levels of DHEA (& progesterone) & then did an ASI saliva test (adrenal stress index.) I'm still awaiting the results. Treatment consists of various holistic methods, glandular extracts, massage, etc.

 

[tylertyler]

Dear Cris
Did you know the so called "Incurable diseases" are curable?
Cancer,Kidney failure,diabetes,asthma,eczema,fibro,CFS. RA.AIDS...........
Most often NOT in the conventional path of allopathic medicine.
Disease is a money making profitable business,to come up with a cure indicates no more income for the MD. Research for cancer and AIDS brings in BILLIONS yearly. Diseases are INVENTED for the mere purpose of promoting another drug Look at the Bird flu hoax; perfect example of big pharma and corrupted politicians www.mercola.com
search; tamiflu or bird flu or avian flu.............

www.newstarget.com

TYLER

 

[Crisstiana]

Quote:

Originally Posted by tylertyler Dear Cris Did you know the so called "Incurable diseases" are curable? Cancer,Kidney failure,diabetes,asthma,eczema,fibro,CFS. RA.AIDS........... Most often NOT in the conventional path of allopathic medicine. Disease is a money making profitable business,to come up with a cure indicates no more income for the MD. Research for cancer and AIDS brings in BILLIONS yearly. Diseases are INVENTED for the mere purpose of promoting another drug Look at the Bird flu hoax; perfect example of big pharma and corrupted politicians www.mercola.com search; tamiflu or bird flu or avian flu............. www.newstarget.com TYLER

Tyler:

Do you honestly believe that there are cures for cancer, kidney failure, diabetes, asthma, AIDS, and other diseases you mentioned but that MDs are withholding these cures in order to make money? And that pharmaceutical companies actively create new diseases to boost their profits with a new drug? While I agree that pharmaceutical companies will find new ways to market old drugs and "package" minor ailments as new problems that require expensive, prescription-only pharmaceuticals, I do not believe the basics of your claims.

I did asthma research, both clinical and bench work, and I can attest that there is no cure for asthma. I have sat with a conference room full of MDs and MD/PhDs who work exclusively on asthma. If anyone of them had a cure, she or he would have become a medical superstar, with all the grant money, monetary incentives, endowed chairs, lecture fees, consultation fees, and other perks that would have come flooding in, to say nothing about the professional honors and elevation in the pantheon of medical explorers. Asthma may improve in some patients with or without treatment, but there isn't a cure out there that MDs are actively withholding in order to get rich. If you believe this is so, please offer valid proof; i.e., peer-reviewed, published papers that support any of this.

 

[Pookietooth]

Guess what? My asthma is gone. I used to require daily use of an anti-inflammatory inhaler as well as frequent use of a rescue inhaler. I got brochitis every time I got a cold (which was frequent). I was on oral (pill form) prednisone at one point my asthma was so bad. Now all of that is gone, gone gone with the help of homeopathy, a diet free of grains and processed foods (I'm slowly re-introducing grains), and lots of pure, filtered water. I don't need no stinkin peer-reviewed articles to tell me that Western medicine offered me nothing but sickness and that homeopathy and giving up the Standard American Diet worked for me. Medical studies can be influenced by the funders (which are usually big pharmaceutical companies). Even a good scientist will tell you the very action of observing something changes it, so there really is no such thing as an objective study.

I guess I am particularly angry because my father had fibro, and all his doctor could offer him was to drink some alcohol, because the prescription painkillers did nothing. Guess what, my father died from cirrhosis of the liver!

It's easy to test for parasites with the right blood tests, but I wouldn't go on symptoms alone. Black Walnut will definitely work on most parasites.

 

[Rachel J.]

My sister and her husband saw a NP for IBS type problems and joint pain (her) and depression/anxiety (him) after years of mainstream medicine had nothing to offer. They were both diagnosed with various problems including the bacteria that cause Lyme disease (ND's can't diagnose disease, that privledge is for MD's only and if caught "diagnosing" they can get their butts sued off by the AMA even though they're curing and helping people that allopathic med has nothing for

: Okay, rant over). They were treated with a ton of herbs and homeopathics, no antibiotics, and both are symptom free for Lyme. Similar story with an ex-boyfriend's father who had suffered for years from restless leg syndrome and was developing other neurological symptoms. He's now being treated for the bacteria that cause Lyme and is seeing some improvement. Mainstream lyme tests (and many others) are very unreliable so just because a doctor tells you that your test results are negative doesn't mean that you don't have that disease. Hopefully your doc won't be so arrogant as to tell you that you don't have the disease because the test results were neg. but many of them are. OP, please keep researching alternatives, it may be all you have. There is lots of very good info and help available here from people who have BTDT.

Crisstiana, I'd love to see peer-reviewed, published studies done on herbal, homeopathic and alternative treatments but who would pay for them? The pharmaceutical companies who fund most med studies? I don't think so. Not only is there no money to be made there those options are actually competition. And say one of these studies finally is done, which prestidgious journal, mostly funded by pharma adds, will accept it. As long as money is the bottom line for mainstream healthcare (namely drug co's) we'll never see these.

 

[soladeo]

Wow. I really didn't mean to start a debate about this. I know fibro is a very controversial disease, in its cause and treatment. I'm not going to comment on either "side" of this issue-ie conventional vs. non-conventional.

The way the chiro explained it to me, is that I don't have fibro-thus this isn't a cure for it.

He said the five infections are parastitic, yeast, viral, mold, and bacterial.

If I take black walnut, is there any side effects, or anything dangerous about it? I'm no longer b-fing so that's not an issue. I don't plan on becoming pregnant again. I want to try this as long as there is no danger to me. That's one of the reasons I don't take the stronger medicines for fibro-I don't trust that they are safe. I'm not even thrilled about the lexapro, and am going to ask the rheum. doc to help me get off it (they are withdrawal symptoms).

I will talk with the other doc about lyme disease. Since she practices both conventional and alternative medicine, she may be able to help in that regard.

I know lyme can become really debiliating (sp)-I knew a man whom the doctors thought had ms, and it ended up being lyme.

 

[KMK_Mama]

I am going through a similar situation. I am currently being tested for all sorts of things, but so far everything has come back negative.

My symptoms are headache (every day) tired, achey, stiff muscles, foggy.....I also have Interstitial Cystitis.

My chiro told me that I have high levels of metals in my system....cadmium, etc.

I have had these symptoms for years and I was put on Lexapro at one point too. It didn't help.

Sorry I'm no help, but I sympathize.

 

[tylertyler]

Dear Cris
Yes,i stand my ground you read my comment correctly.Please read the links i have posted. Its a wake-up call for all of us.
.
Thanks to both ladies Rachell and Pookie for the comments!

I'm in the same boat,i have been on this same journey of life long chronic suffering using allopathic (conventional meds) . When i looked outside the box towards the world of alternative holistic healing via homeopathy,naturopathy,accup,herbals,vitamins..... .........My life finally became well,cured was my chronic kidney infections,bladder inf,bronchitis so bad i stoped breathing,menstrual disorders,headaces,acne............all of it cured. I dont have allergies,no skin problems,no respt problems,no kidney problems................nothing!(homeopathy/herbs/vitamins CURED ALL OF IT!!!!!)
My husband had lifelong asthma as a child (inhalers and all) Homeopathy CURED IT!!!!!!!!! he is on no meds. He was diabetic (homeopathy CURED IT!!!!!) no more meds.
My mother had crippling RA for 20yrs! seen every RA specialist in two continents with no results (homeopathy/ayurveda/herbs/vitamins CURED IT!!!!!) no more meds.
My brothers baby; seizures from vaccines brain bleeding the size of an egg. Allopaths wanted to do emergency brainsurgery. (homeopathics,CURED 100% no more seizures,no meds)
Ihave many many many many of these examples and this is just one family!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

TYLER

 

[tylertyler]

300,000 people in the USA every year suffer adverse reactions including death from the """use of allopathic meds'''' (conventional prescriptions)
only 10% is actually ever reported................300,000= the 10%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Allopathic meds are the 4th leading cause of DEATH!
I'm not telling MOTHER GOOSE stories,you can read it on line id love to help you with more links if you like.

 

[Crisstiana]

Tyler:

You've never addressed my point, but simply keep posting the same things. You have said several times now that there are cures for diseases such as cancer, AIDS, asthma, etc but that MDs have suppressed this in order to generate money by simply treating the disease. What do you base this on? Where's your proof? You also have said that pharmaceutical companies have invented new diseases in order to generate new profit streams. Again, what is this based on?

Allopathic medicine certainly doesn't have all the answers. In my opinion, it has almost no answer to questions such as "why" and does a better job in describing what is happening versus explaining why it is happening. But in many areas, it has the best answers available. I would not look to other modalities for trauma, life-threatening infection, and many other situations. However, I think there are many areas that allopathy has ignored to the detriment of our health and knowledge, including mind-body connections, holistic views of health and illness, and non-pharmacological cures. (I completely agree, Rachel, that the funding is not there for placebo, blinded trials of natural remedies to anywhere near the extent it is for new pharmaceuticals. Some research groups are now focusing on testing such remedies, but without the engine of huge potential profits, they will never be tested to the same extent.) It also has had many, many shameful episodes in its history of suppressing competition, ignoring the specific health care needs on non-dominant groups, exploiting the defenseless in unethical experimentation, and failure to ackowledge its shortcomings.

But my questions to Tyler don't involve any of that. Tyler, where is your proof of the MD conspiracy that withholds cures in pursuit of profit and the pharmaceutical companies as agents of new disease? That's where I take exception to what you've said. I don't doubt that homeopathy and other modalities aside from allopathy have proved helpful to folks. But it's these allegations that I would like to see some proof on, not simply more baseless accusations.

 

[tylertyler]

AGAIN
READ THE LINKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

after that here are more....................
http://www.sickpills.com/
click on trailer

http://www.newstarget.com/pharmaceuticals.html
made up diseases
deception in med. journals
fraud
scientists pushing dangerous drugs

http://www.mercola.com/2005/jun/23/fda_drugs.htm
fda approval of harmfull drugs
funded by lobbyist working for big pharma
conflicts of interest

http://www.mercola.com/2007/mar/6/fa...f-flu-drug.htm

TYLER

 

[tylertyler]

http://www.pnc.com.au/~cafmr/reviews1.html#murder

politics,trials,toxic prescriptions,cover ups,crime in big pharma
world without cancer article

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[aniT]

DH became a vegetarian 6 years ago. He has not had one symptom of asthma since.