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<p>Hi mamas! We want to add cloth diapers to our registry but are SO confused about what to order.  We don't want to spend a ton of money, but we want it to be organic.  The organic flats seem like a great deal, but do we use pins? Or are those usable as inserts in other shells?  We like the fuzzibunz snap covers, but I've read a lot about people not liking the inserts that come with them, so that seems like a waste of money if we aren't going to use the inserts.  Basically I would LOVE to find an all inclusive starter kit of organic cloth diapers for a newborn. Just something to get us started, not crazy expensive, and hopefully something that would last for a little while (thats why I liked the fuzzibunz --it seems with all those snaps you can change the size to fit the little one) its so confusing (and fun!) .... Advice please :) </p>
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<p>Also, what do you mamas think is the best cloth diaper solution for soaking in between washing, and is there a "better" pail than others? </p>
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<p>3 options for you that all could will work really well, all things I've tried:</p>
<p>Flats stuffed in AIO's (swaddlebees and fuzzibunz are both good ones): partially natural, pricey, size medium might fit from 4m to toddler</p>
<p>Prefolds in wool covers: very natural, pricey or cheaply make you own covers, need 2 sizes of prefolds and 3 sizes covers before potty learning</p>
<p>Prefolds or flats in PUL covers: partially natural, cheap, need 1 or 2 sizes diapers and 3 sizes covers.</p>
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<p>Most flats will take 2 or more layers at a time so you'll need to buy at least double if you do those. A snappi can fasten diapers instead of pins but in a velcro fastened wrap you won't need it.</p>
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<p>I throw mine in a regular plastic diaper pail, anything with a lid which will fit most of the diapers will do. I don't find soaking is needed, I wash every 2.5 days.</p>
 

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<p>I really like the options <a href="http://www.greenmountaindiapers.com/prefolds.htm" target="_blank">http://www.greenmountaindiapers.com/prefolds.htm</a> has. They have a newborn prefold package with organic prefolds, and they have a lot of information about diapering systems and washing etc. I used prefolds with my daughter and I really liked them. I didn't use pins, but I did use a Snappi.</p>
 
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<p>I would skip the pail completely and get the Bummis Fabulous Wet Bag in size Large. Once your babe starts crawling, it will be the first thing they go for. This bag is REALLY great - you can hang it or you can put it up high and out of reach. Great for travel and camping too. Completely waterproof and keeps odors in. Just wash with the diapers. I'd also recommend one (or two) in a size Medium for your diaper bag.</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.bummis.com/ca/en/6.php?adr=2" target="_blank">http://www.bummis.com/ca/en/6.php?adr=2</a></p>
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<p>I'd also recommend putting the Bummis Easy Fit Diapers on your registry. They fit babies from 8-35lbs, so they will last a long time. A friend of mine who recommended them to me has four kids, and has used every type of diaper out there, and these are by far her favorite EVER. It's won the parent choice award, which says a lot. They are pricey, but will last.zz</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.bummis.com/us/en/easy-fit.php?adr=1" target="_blank">http://www.bummis.com/us/en/easy-fit.php?adr=1</a></p>
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<p>One final thought: Rockin Green Cloth Diaper detergent. If you get nice diapers, it'll be worth keeping them in good condition (regular detergent, even natural kinds can cause build up, which can make the diapers hold the smells.)</p>
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<p><a href="http://rockingreensoap.com/" target="_blank">http://rockingreensoap.com/</a></p>
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<p>Has anyone tried to the FLIP diapers or G DIAPERS? Id be curious for a review or comparrison?! TX</p>
 

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<p>I was really happy with the system we ultimately developed.  We bought flat diapers in small  that we used for like the first 9 months (and then bought large that we used for the second 9 months).  We used something called a snappi to hold them closed and then used a bummi cover (and other brands but same basic outer shell types of covers) over the prefold/flat.    After the newborn stage, we found we could use the cover for a few diaper changes-- as long as it was a small poop or no poop. </p>
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<p>We also found that letting the diapers DRY after use was huge for making things easier and minimizing smell.  We sprinkled baking soda (scented with essential oils like lavender, orange or tea tree) on the used diaper and put it in a bamboo pail with a cloth (but not waterproof) liner.  We rarely had bad smells.  We then washed the diapers and the cloth liner 2-3 x a week with hot water and regular unscented 7th gen laundry detergent.  Every 6 months or so we bleached them (yes, I know...) and washed them 4 times after. </p>
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<p>I had been daunted by all the choices and the cost but found that this system was affordable and ultimately quite simple.  We're expecting #2 and will reuse all the same materials. </p>
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<p>Edited to add: Sorry for the DDC crashing!  Saw this on the main board and wanted to help :)</p>
 

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<p>I'll echo that using Bummis brand products are great, organic and inexpensive to get started. The Super Whisper Wraps are also designed to withstand regular use in a high heat commercial dryer. This is what a friend gave me and got me started in cloth diapering. It was perfect to start out. Once we started getting out of the house more I preferred a pocket style diaper because it was easier to get on and off in a public restroom (so we could be in and out).<br><br>
I LOVE my snappi! Another thing to consider if you sew is to make some Rita's Rump Pockets that you can stuff with flats prefolds, hemp inserts, etc. They basically convert those those other style diapers into fitteds, which are great for holding in poop or times when you really need something that will stay on baby without a cover. I made a dozen or so and used unbleached flannel on the inside and whatever cute color or print I wanted on the outside. The snappi doesn't like the flannel so much, but the RRP's are one size and can be fastened with a single diaper pin for at least a year and then two diaper pins later. I don't ever worry about sticking my son because the prefold stuffs them so much that I'd really have to try in order to stick him with a pin.<br><br>
Wool is awesome - especially for overnights. About a month ago I upcycled an old wool sweater of my husbands that I loved and couldn't bear to toss. it only needs to be washed and lanolinized every couple of weeks (unless it's soiled) because of the natural anti-microbial properties of the wool - so very eco friendly!<br><br>
Starting off with a good detergent can make all the difference in the world. We've gone through several before we finally found that Rockin' Green was what worked best for us. We have an HE front loader and although it's great with regular clothes, the lack of water through the diapers caused some biological rash issues. Rockin' Green was what finally got me off disposables and within a couple of weeks of use using cloth around the clock.<br><br>
Flip is a great system too, and they've got organic cloth inserts and compostable disposable inserts. We've used those when we've needed to use a disposable liner (my son is a heavy wetter so the added absorbancy is a huge help) if he's ever gotten a rash from his poop (which after a while figured out had nothing to do with disposables vs cloth).<br><br>
I don't really have much experience with flats (because DS is a heavy wetter) but we'll be using them with #2 due in September.<br><br>
That ended up being a lot longer than I intended - hope that helps!</p>
 

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<p>Oops... forgot the link to Rita's Rump Pockets ... <br><br>
<a href="http://handmadebyrita.blogspot.com/2007/10/classic-rrp-ritas-rump-pocket-pattern.html" target="_blank">http://handmadebyrita.blogspot.com/2007/10/classic-rrp-ritas-rump-pocket-pattern.html</a></p>
 

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<p>I'm not the best one to give advice on cloth diapers.... if you add up all my experience, it's probably about a month. I first tried the Flips, then tried prefolds and Bummis covers, then finally settled on BumGenius 4.0s. I love the BGs. They're super easy to use, and work best for us. The only reason that I haven't totally switched my son to cloth is that I only have 6 diapers right now, and I can't afford to buy any more at the moment.</p>
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<p>I'm planning on getting the newborn rental from Earthy Crunchy Mama when my daughter is born. I looked at a lot of rentals, and hers looks like the best. Hopefully by the time she grows out of the newborns, I'll be able to buy enough one-size to CD full time.</p>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Dlynn918</strong> <a href="/community/forum/thread/1319150/first-time-mama-needs-cloth-diaper-advice#post_16522297"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/community/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>Has anyone tried to the FLIP diapers or G DIAPERS? Id be curious for a review or comparrison?! TX</p>
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I didn't really like the Flips. I was trying to use them on a squirmy toddler, and it was too much work. The way they're set up, you can't really stuff them ahead of time because the insert doesn't stay put, and trying to put them together with a 2 year old boy flipping over and kicking you is not easy.</p>
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<p>I personally didn't like gDiapers, either, mostly because there are so many parts and they have different washing instructions, and they seemed like a lot of work, too. My sister, however, LOVES them. She's used them exclusively since her daughter was born in February, and she uses both the disposable and cloth inserts.</p>
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<p>There are so many different options, and what works great for some, doesn't work for others. I know that we all want everything ready to go before our babies get here, but in reality, you won't know what works for you until you start using them. Buying 24 BGs to start out with may sound like a great idea, but what happens if you hate them? You could sell them and make most of your money back and try something else, of course, but I would really recommend getting a couple of a few different types/brands and wait to see what you like before buying an entire stash.</p>
 

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<p>Our family is also a bum genius family. They worked very well for us. We just threw the diapers in a diaper pail, and washed them every 2-3 days. I put baking soda and some essential oils in when needed. I found that air drying took care of any stains and helped deodorize the diapers. The bum genius did take a long time to dry, so air drying was very helpful. Also, don't forget cloth wipes. The Kissaluvs diaper potion lotion was amazing to help clean dd's bottom. Good luck!</p>
 

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<p>Thank you! I loved this website... lots of information for a newbie! </p>
 

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<p>Whatever diaper you choose to go with, you can make your own fleece liners to go with them. Simply purchase a yard of fleece at a fabric store and cut up to size (no need to sew fleece, as it doesn't unravel.) You aren't supposed to use diaper cream with cloth diapers, as the oil in it can really mess them up (the cream sticks to the diapers causing them to repel liquid, so they'll leak.) You can purchase fleece at a fabric store for about $8/yard, which will make a ton of liners. You can also use an old fleece blanket.</p>
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<p>Our favorite diaper cream was Burt's Bees. It was thicker and smelled the best out of all the types we've tried.</p>
 

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<p>I agree... if you have a choice, don't commit to a specific diaper brand or system.  Each child is unique and something that worked perfectly for one child might be totally wrong for the next.  I know it's really really tempting to go for a "complete system", but it's honestly better to get 2-3 different styles from a couple of different suppliers to see what is going to work for you.</p>
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<p>With dd1 I was convinced that AIOs were the way to go.  And then the reality hit (they take FOR.EV.ER to dry and just didn't work as I'd hoped) and I realized I'd basically wasted more money than we could afford to spare.  But the prefolds/covers that worked for dd1 didn't work on dd2.  The girls were basically the same size/weight at birth but they followed very different growth curves and elimination patterns.  Eventually we discovered the GroBaby (now GroVia) dipes and they rocked dd2's bum!  At first they worked great with ds, but as he got bigger we discovered that the layered insert of the dipe + little boy equipment didn't work well together (he'd get "pulled aside" once he was crawling and end up pee-ing right out the leg).  A pocket dipe made by a local WAHM has been the perfect solution.</p>
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<p>Anyway, the thing is, each kiddo is different and their dipe needs change as they grow so if money is an issue, consider grabbing a dozen second hand diapers (freecycle, craig's list, diaperswappers, the mdc trading post, etc) or using a "free trial" option (like the one at <a href="http://www.jilliansdrawers.com/products/clothdiapers/tryclothfor10/tryclothfor10" target="_blank">Jillian's Drawers</a>) to see what style works for all of you.</p>
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<p>Oh... and diaper doublers are often a good deal less expensive than things like fitteds.  But they're the perfect size for newborn bottoms (if you stick them inside a cover) and you can use them as doublers later on.  So if you can find a dozen doublers (or more!) they can be a great option to getting a newborn dipe, and they work as stuffing in pocket dipes and as doublers as well so they're pretty cost effective.</p>
 

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<p>We use and love Bumgenius.  We plan on continuing with them for the twins.  Definitely get the ones with snaps ... the velcro will not last.  We even dry our covers even though it is recommended to air dry them and it hasn't been a problem thus far.  We throw dirty diapers in a diaper pail (a.k.a trash can with flip lid) works great but can be stinky.  We also use the Rockin green soap and pail deoderizer (helps cut down on the stink).  The great thing about bumgenius one size is that you never have to buy more diapers!!  Best of luck:)  </p>
 

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<p>We used fuzzibunz with my daughter. This was before they had the one size, so we had to buy smalls and then mediums. We also tried bumgenius one size, but they weren't quite as gentle on her bum as the fleece in the fuzzi bunz. Unfortunately the fuzzibunz inserts were less absorbant than the bugenius ones. We found a perfect solution was to buy fuzzibunz seconds at <a href="http://fuzzibunzseconds.net/store/Default.asp" target="_blank">http://fuzzibunzseconds.net/store/Default.asp</a> they are cheaper, but don't come with inserts. Then we bought bum genius inserts at <a href="http://www.cottonbabies.com/product_info.php?products_id=230" target="_blank">http://www.cottonbabies.com/product_info.php?products_id=230</a> .  </p>
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<p>We tried the mother ease and prefold diapers and they gave my daughter rashes because they don't wick the moisture away like the pocket diapers do. Pockets were the way to go for us. </p>
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<p>Also, if you are trying to build your diaper stash and want to try different diapers, there is a website called diaperswappers.com where you go to the FSOT (for sale or trade) forum and people are selling their used cloth diapers there. It sounds kind of gross, but people clean them well and they can save you a ton of money!</p>
 

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<p>I started CD'ing at 7  months with DS, and we ordered a variety sample pack to see what we liked. Now we use mostly pockets, with a couple AIO's, and for back up, prefolds and covers. I use a a snappi, and not pins, and while you CAN just lay the prefold in there, I snappi as it helps hold in messes better, and I think gives a trimmer fit.</p>
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<p>For this LO we are part CD/part sposie using until she hits mediums/one size. I actually have a ton of size one and two diapers left from DS so it seems wasteful not to use them at least part of the time. I'm doing just prefolds and covers with her at first, I think they hold in messes the best, and newborns have seriously explosive poops, or at least DS did.</p>
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<p>Personally, I like FLIPs, and they have an organic option. gDiapers have 3 parts - the cloth outer, the waterproof liner, and then the insert, which is cloth or disposable. Too much work for me. DS is nearly 20 months and while, yes, he is squirmy, I prefer anything with snaps since he can't take that off by himself, so I deal with the squirmy-ness. I do wish the covers had some patterns though!</p>
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<p>The pockets we use are knickernappies (love these! and the inserts, should you choose to use them, are at least part hemp which is a natural fiber. more so than bamboo, which is so processed it might as well not be natural, from what I've read) also are super absorbant. We also have some BumGenius 4.0's, and I think the remainder of the pockets I like to use are called Huggabuns or something like that (got used off of Diaperswappers! - love the deals I can get there)</p>
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<p>covers for prefolds: my only complaint about some of the velcro/Aplix covers is if you let babe run around in just a diaper - and I do in the summer - the velcro rubs against his tummy and makes it a bit raw in spots. some of the diapers have covered the backs of the velcro to prevent this problem, which is great! We have Bummis and Thirsties covers for DS, and with DD we will be using Weehuggers (they have a similiar 2 step one size comparable with Thirsties Duo wraps) and some we got off of Etsy.</p>
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<p>Don't soak in a wet pail. totally unnecessary. we use a pail with an airtight lid. it makes smells worse when you open it up, but holds them in otherwise. Right now I am actually using a diaperchamp pail, and it seems to work well. I use a BioKleen detergent, which I really like, and it isn't very expensive. since I use less of it per wash, it goes a long, long way. their Bac-Out spray is also amazing for getting out stains and smells.</p>
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<p>HTH!</p>
 
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