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Ok, I need to see another viewpoint on the carseat vs lap child scenario in an airplane.<br><br>
My take: Why worry about a carseat on the plane? If we crash, we're dead, carseat or not. Turbulence hasn't ever been a huge issue in any of the flights I've taken (with and w/o kids and babies). (I know there are exceptions, but I've had pretty easy flights.)<br><br>
I'm not really worried about having a lap child, but tell me why you guys believe otherwise.
 

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I agree with you, you're right. The only reason for taking a carseat on a plane is if it makes the child more comfortable. Carseats don't make it any "safer". Even in turbulence...it's not hard to keep a hold of a baby.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">If we crash, we're dead, carseat or not.<br><br>
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Well, in the past six weeks there have been two commercial passenger crashes that had many survivors. I would not have wanted to be grasping a lap child on either one of them.
 

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My dd will not sit in my lap for very long, but she is very comfortable in her seat.
 

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Well, both of my kids are big and squirmy, so logistically it seemed a nightmare to have them on my lap (the flight we take most often tends to be full, so I've never wanted to risk not having a seat for the little one before she was two). So if I"m buying a seat for her, I'm bringing the carseat. She's secure, she can sleep, whatever.<br><br>
And then, we were on a smallish regional jet last summer. I went to the bathroom. There was sudden turbulence so bad that I hit the ceiling. DD was strapped into her carseat. I wasn't seriously injured, and when I made it back to my seat, the woman next to me said, "thank god your baby was in that seat. She didn't even notice!" (DH was in the next aisle, btw).<br><br>
Anyway, I know it doesn't happen often, but that turbulence was so sudden and fierce that I'm a firm believer in seatbelts on all the time for everyone (unless you're going to the bathroom or whatever).<br><br>
But of course, YMMV.<br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Well, in the past six weeks there have been two commercial passenger crashes that had many survivors. I would not have wanted to be grasping a lap child on either one of them.</div>
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There was a lap baby that survived the crash into the hudson without injury, FYI.
 

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Well, true, the chances are VERY remote of a carseat making the difference between life and death, or even being fine and being injured on an airplane.<br><br>
Same is true of adult lapbelts... even moreso. Yet, <i>I'm</i> required to wear my seatbelt. The plane won't take off until they've walked down the aisle and made sure that everyone has their belt buckled.<br><br>
Why would I go with a *lower* standard for my child's safety?<br><br>
As a family, we don't fly unless we can afford a seat for everyone. We bring carseats. It's much more comfortable; even if you're holding your baby most of the time, having somewhere secure to put them down for a minute while you stretch your legs or drink your tea is really, really nice. Kids who are in a familiar seat will often cope better with an unfamiliar situation, and if they're the type to sleep in the car, they'll do it on the plane, too.<br><br>
The only reason it's allowed to have under-2's on a plane without a seat is because the FTA crunched the numbers, and decided that the price difference would push enough families into driving instead of flying that the injuries from car accidents would be greater than the harm that could come to lap children. It's not "safe," it's just safer than driving... but then again, a LOT is safer than driving! ;-)<br><br>
Ultimately, if we were the one in a [number with lots of zeroes after] flight where it *would* make a difference, could I ever live with myself for having decided my child's life wasn't worth $XXX? Me, no, I'd never recover from that. There may be others who can make peace with that decision in the same situation, and I don't fault them for it, but it's a level of serenity and trust in the universe that I simply don't have.
 

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This argument is a bit of an aside, but safety-related nonetheless.<br><br>
I HATE the idea of checking my carseat. It once came back with the straps soaked in de-icing fluid. YIKES!! We couldn't be in the car with it, it reeked so badly. Not to mention the question of what it would do to the nylon.<br><br>
Even with gate-checking, they really bang those seats around, and I worry about the safety of them. I'd rather buckle them in where I don't have to worry about how they're being handled.
 

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I HATE the idea of checking my carseat. It once came back with the straps soaked in de-icing fluid.</div>
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That is DISGUSTING! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/jaw.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="dropjaw"><br><br><br>
I'm really enjoying the feedback here. Thank you!! It helps to have another perspective.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Even with gate-checking, they really bang those seats around, and I worry about the safety of them. I'd rather buckle them in where I don't have to worry about how they're being handled.</div>
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what hasn't been asked is what do you do when you get where you're going if you don't have a seat? or is it implied that you're checking the seat (maybe that's the part i missed)?<br><br>
we bring our seat regardless, if under 2, we don't buy a seat but gate check if there isn't one available. my babies have never been really comfortable in their seats, so expecting them to be content in one was a big risk and waste of money, tbh.<br><br>
i wouldn't put a seat through 'regular' baggage check ever.<br><br>
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I thought you weren't allowed to hold your baby during turbulence. Don't you have to wrap a lap baby in a blanket and stuff them under the seat?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I thought you weren't allowed to hold your baby during turbulence. Don't you have to wrap a lap baby in a blanket and stuff them under the seat?</div>
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What? What?? You're kidding, right? I hope so because I'm sitting here laughing hysterically at the idea of stuffing my 15 mo old anywhere. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/biglaugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="laugh">:
 

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Ive flown many times (my family is in the UK and we live here in Az!!) and for me the car seat is for comfort rather than anything, I couldnt/wouldnt have my 1 year old on my lap for 15hrs, we'd both be insane by the end!! However he did go on our laps for short flights to OH <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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I was on a flight with DS when he was 11 month old (28lbs) with NO seat for himself. I booked him a bassinett 'seat' (it was an international flight) and that worked well, aside from him wanting to walk and talk and entertain. I will be flying with two kids soon. DS (then 2) will get his own seat with a carseat and DD will be in a bassinett/lap seat.
 

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It's buried in this article, but according to it it is the procedure to place lap children on the floor (doesn't say under the seat, but I've heard that elsewhere).<br><br><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/travel/columnist/mcgee/2008-07-29-lap-children_N.htm" target="_blank">http://www.usatoday.com/travel/colum...children_N.htm</a>
 

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The FAA does not claim that a lap child is safe.<br><br><a href="http://www.jetwithkids.com/book_freeChapter.html" target="_blank">http://www.jetwithkids.com/book_freeChapter.html</a><br><br>
It is 100% true that airline procedure is to place the baby on the floor in the event of severe turbulence. I was incredulous when the flight attendant told me that the 1st time I flew with (then 3 mo. old) ds. Its also why they freak out and wont allow you to keep the baby in a carrrier (I had a Beco they wouldnt let me use) during take-off and landing. Apparently they're safer on the floor than strapped to a parent. Who knew?<br><br>
I suppose in the event of SEVERE turbulence,or one of those unexpected drops, yeah, you could lose grip on the dc, or get tossed into the ceiling with dc.
 

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It's not easy to keep a hold of a child in severe turbulence. It's the basic physics-- force equals mass times acceleration. In a car, that means your kleenex box can injure you in a crash, not to mention your steel water bottle... It also means that keeping a hold of a 10lb. baby in a 30 mile an hour collision takes 300 lbs. of effort. It's just not that easy. I agree that you are much greater risk driving to and from the airport. It's not likely you'll be in severe turbulence or in a plane crash. However, you have to have a car seat on the other end. It's not a great idea to check them, they are often lost damaged or misplaced. Car seat rental is not a great idea, period. For any number of reasons. It's just simply safest to use the car seat on the plane.
 

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We've flown a lot with our kids, usually in their carseats but occasionally not.<br><br>
Once we hit unanticipated turbulance so bad that our lying down sleeping older children flew up to the top of the backs of the seat & dh hit his knee on the top of the bathroom door. The baby travelling in front of us, unstrapped in a bassinette, fractured his collarbone.<br><br>
It was pretty scary & a good lesson in why carseats are a good idea.
 

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From being in servere turbulence myself I wouldn't want to try to hold my baby through it. Ive flown a lot and was one test away from having my private pilots license before I went to college so Ive seen good fligts and bad flights. The last one I took from Japan to the states we had a really bad landing and I was so relieved DD (16 months at the time) was in her seat because the baby next to us went flying from her mom's lap and got hurt.
 

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What do people think about the baby b'air as a turbulence protection device for lap-seated babies?<br><br><a href="http://www.babybair.com/" target="_blank">http://www.babybair.com/</a><br><br>
We're on the fence about whether using such a device makes flying with our baby in our laps OK or not. Thoughts?
 
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