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How were you treated when you arrived?<br><br>
Did they call child services? I had to have a vbac consult w/ my mw's backup OB today. He inflated the uterine rupture stats and made some mention of if a hb transfer comes in that sometimes child services can be called. I find it insane that someone can have 9 months of prenatal care and a carefully chosen mw and the hosp will call child services???? I dont know if he was just scare mongering or what but of all the things he said that was really the only thing that freaked me out.
 

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call child services? you must be kidding!? i haven't even had my homebirth yet but i had to read & then respond to this because it sounds so ridiculous. i hope this isn't causing you to question your decision.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">call child services? you must be kidding!? i haven't even had my homebirth yet but i had to read & then respond to this because it sounds so ridiculous. i hope this isn't causing you to question your decision.</div>
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I've heard of it happening. The person was not treated very well.
 

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I transfered with my 2nd almost 8 years ago. CPS was not called on me. I even declined all testing and shots. I had an ob back up and he never mentioned anything to me during any of my pg of any such thing.<br><br>
If you have your records with you what are they gonna tell CPS? You didn't neglect the baby. But JIC do you have a cya folder? Thats where you keep everything you can find about the safety of hb, studies of vbac and rupture rates, anything you might need. Sometimes you need to prove you actually did research <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">: .
 

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they didn't call cps on me, but they treated me like cr[email protected] they trained a resident on me when they used forceps, and they ended up tearing my bladder. the only person that was cool to me and respectful was the anesthesiologist, he somehow picked up that i was an uber-researched laboring homebirth transfer mom and let me do my thing. he lowered the epidural on request (he was flabbergasted that i would want to, but between contractions i was apparently able to give him a very lucid and clear rationale as to why, and he took care of it right away).<br><br>
afterwards, the hospital pediatricians did a whole bunch of unneccesary newborn procedures on dd, but at that point i think it was because they realized that we had top-notch insurance so they were trying to milk us. i mean, why did they perform deep suctioning on a baby that was obviously vigorous and pink...her apgars were 8 and 9? they took her to the nicu for about an hour, and she was moving around and squawking and in absolutely no respiratory distress whatsoever. even the nicu nurse who was tending to her questioned me when i was finally able to see her (i was wheeled in there as soon as they finished stitching me up and i could transfer to a w/c), and asked me why dd was in there. actually, her words exactly were "your daughter doesn't belong here, she belongs with you."<br><br>
finally, with the vaxes, the peds resident was so pushy and downright mean to me, trying to get me to ok the hep b. she kept saying that they have to give it to her because they "don't know mom's status" and that it is the right thing to do to protect society. i told her that i am a health care professional and i (unfortunately) received the hep b series when i was doing my training, and if they wanted proof i could have my previous employer fax them my medical records. she kept pushing and pushing and i started to cry (dh was off getting some food for us). i think she 'told' on me to the head pediatrician, who basically came in to do damage control and i got somewhat of an apology for the residents attitude. she also said that she thought that the nicu staff showed "incredible restraint" in not giving dd antibiotics, at which time i snapped back at her saying that of course she didn't get antibiotics, she didn't have anything that indicated their use.<br><br>
then, discharge time rolled around and they asked dh to get the carseat out of the car so that they could check it. so he went down and got our brand new britax roundabout and brought it up. they ended up calling all of the pediatric residents into our room (there were like 10 people in our room) and the head ped was gushing about how awesome the britax's were, and how she bought those for her granddaughters, etc etc etc...then BOOM...by the way, mr. and mrs. h, you have to go to buy an infant carseat because we can't approve it. so we had our bags packed and i couldn't wait to get out of there, and dh had to drive to target to buy an infant bucket type carseat. two hours later, they d/c'ed us. we used that frigging bucket seat for a total of 3 weeks, at which time we switched to the roundabout and miraculously dd stopped crying in the car.<br><br>
ugh. so many people now ask me if i'm going to be a 'good girl' and have any future babies in the hospital, and i say NO WAY, i am never going to let those people touch me or my little ones again. they did a number on me...i was incontinent for months and had to have surgery to fix the hole.<br><br>
anyways, sorry about my saga, but even if they don't call the authorities on you (and really, it is NOT illegal in any way shape or form to give birth outside the walls of a hospital), they can do and say weird manipulative things to you and generally treat you like stupid, uninformed parents. and although there is nothing that you can do to prepare for such an eventuality (and really, i don't wish my own experience on ANYONE, it was truly horrible and very traumatic), you might want to have a trusted friend meet you at the hospital if that is what happens, because you'll need as much support as you can get. our midwife transferred with us and acted as our doula until dd was born, but i sure wish she was around more for the aftermath until we were discharged. dh and i felt very alone and attacked at times.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">How were you treated when you arrived?<br><br>
Did they call child services? I had to have a vbac consult w/ my mw's backup OB today. He inflated the uterine rupture stats and made some mention of if a hb transfer comes in that sometimes child services can be called. I find it insane that someone can have 9 months of prenatal care and a carefully chosen mw and the hosp will call child services???? I dont know if he was just scare mongering or what but of all the things he said that was really the only thing that freaked me out.</div>
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He's full of sh!t. The ONLY way CPS would be called would be if you were drunk or high, not for having a homebirth.<br><br>
Did you tell your midwife? She needs to know he's saying stuff like that.
 

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No way was CPS called!!!! The hospital treated us like freaks, but no CPS.
 

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Just a question...<br><br>
If you are getting crappy treatment but everybody is in good shape, what would happen if you just picked up your baby and walked out the door?<br><br>
We too have a Britax car seat that was just great with DD. We used it from her first car trip (2 or 3 days old I think) till, well, now. We plan on using it for this baby too. Can a hospital really have that kind of "approval" power over the type of car seat you use?
 

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I had a wonderful HB transfer. But my HBMWs were CNMs who have a good relationship with an awesome OB who takes "emergency" transfers. The MW brought my file and transferred care. She stayed until we were settled in and the baby was born. Everyone treated us beautifully and respected all our wishes. We even had to fill out a birth plan on admission. They had a form for it. It was so easy to decline hepb, eye goo, vit. K, etc. They just informed us and we just said, no, we haven't decided about that yet, or we'll take care of that with the midwives or, no, I don't have any STDs. They took amazing care of us and were respectful of our wishes. We co-slept and he wasn't separated from us ever. (Well, they weighed, measured and swaddled him. It took about 2 minutes, then they handed him to DH and then he never left either of us for 3 days.) We bathed him ourselves after two days. They didn't pressure us, only asked if we wanted him bathed. I kept refusing, saying I wanted to do it myself when I could get up. The OB "signed off" on the placenta (so they didn't have to take it to pathology) and they kept it in the fridge for us for 3 days 'till we took it home.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Just a question...<br><br>
If you are getting crappy treatment but everybody is in good shape, what would happen if you just picked up your baby and walked out the door?<br><br>
We too have a Britax car seat that was just great with DD. We used it from her first car trip (2 or 3 days old I think) till, well, now. We plan on using it for this baby too. Can a hospital really have that kind of "approval" power over the type of car seat you use?</div>
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they said that they couldn't discharge us until we complied with their carseat regulations, which was completely absurd. i'm sure we could have fought it, but at that point we were so exhausted and just wanted to be home so badly, it was actually emotionally easier for us to just go out and get that crappy carseat. it was weird though, they went ahead and called all of the residents in and made a complete spectacle of us, praised us for our wonderful choice and obvious researching and blah blah blah, only to say "sorry, go out and buy a baby bucket". it was infuriating and actually humiliating, it was as if they were saying that here was this couple that went out and found the best possible seat for their baby, and look, us doctors can make them go out and buy another one.<br><br>
shocking what they'll do.
 

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It really depends on the situation, the political climate in your area, and the individuals involved, I think. I gave birth at home, but went to the hospital for tests at 37 weeks, and then the baby ended up having to go to the NICU for a short stay. Both times we were treated well. There was a small amount of pressuring to do more tests and set up an appointment with one of their doctors, but that was about it. There was no indication at all that we were "in trouble" for having a homebirth, or that there was any need to call child services. In fact, several professionals in the NICU commented on how wonderful the midwives' charts were and how healthy the baby was other than her birth defect. So it really depends, and it's not always a horror story.
 

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I wasn't, but I have gone in on transfers with midwives and CPS was NEVER called. Most of the time the women were treated very well also.
 

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we transferred at 9.5cm because i had been in labor for 30+ hrs, and my mw couldn't find heart tones a few times and when she could find them they were weak. we weren't sure if we wanted to transfer until the point when we were talking and my mw asked me for a small table, we asked what for, and she said it might be needed to recessitate dd if she wasn't breathing when she was born. that freaked me right out, so off to the hospital we went.<br><br>
my mw and doula stayed with me, but they would only let me have 3 ppl in the delivery room, and we decided that was going to be my dh, mom, and dad. my mw was really great at helping me to ask the right questions. i had to get pitocin, but i opted out for the epidural. the resident was rude to me pretty much the whole time. told me how i was endangering myself and my child by trying for a hb, and hoped i would "make the smart choice" and have any other children in the hospital. (i got 2 more lectures from her that day.) i think they're a big part of the reason i tore as much as i did--they told me right before dd crowned "this next one's gonna burn, but just push right through it as hard as you can." she announced the sex of dd even though we wanted to be the ones to do it, and kept pressuring me to let them clamp and cut dd's cord. i told her i wanted it to stop pulsing before we did that, and she said it could kill my child to leave her attached any longer.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry"> they kept pressuring me to let them have dd while i was getting stitched up to put that garbage in her eyes and weigh her. i kept them at bay for as long as possible, but after a while i gave in and let them have her for a bit. they kept dd in the room, but it was on the other side, and i couldn't see her. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> i think they were trying to rush things along because dd was born at 11:35am, and they were all ready for lunch.<br><br>
we refused all vaxes and over the next 2 days that we were there, got hassled by every doc that came in about taking her to the ped immediately when we got home, and about getting her vaxes. they also wanted her to have formula because she "lost a lot of weight" even though she was born 7lb5oz and went home 6lb15oz, well within normal range for NB weight loss. of course they didn't pay any attention when we told them that i had so much colostrum she was already making big swallowing sounds when she nursed (which she did A LOT!)<br><br>
we just smiled and nodded when they talked to us about taking her to the doc, and politely but firmly refused the vaxes. you catch more flies with honey than vinegar, and while i'm normally a pretty outspoken person, i was on their turf and wanted to do my best to keep everyone happy while keeping my dd safe.<br><br>
all of that being said, they NEVER ONCE mentioned that CPS could or would be called on us. just to echo the pps, i would definitely inform your mw that her backup is saying these sorts of things to her clients. i know my mw would be blazing angry if this kind of fearmongering were going on in her practice, and i'm betting your mw won't be happy about it either!
 

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Yep, me too.
 

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About the car seat...that is ridiculous. First of all, they have no control over that and must release the baby to you-legally- with or WITHOUT a car seat. Just another "hospital policy". (Not that I would ever recommend this, but it is legal in most places to ride on a bus or in a cab without a car seat. Also, you could walk or be picked up by someone else...)<br>
Furthermore, I am a CPS tech (Child Passenger Safety), and the Roundabout is completely appropriate for your newborn, as long as she weighs more than 5 lbs and you have it installed rear facing, as I'm sure you did.<br>
People are not required to buy infant seats for their kids and we even encouraged some of our parents where I worked in Las Vegas (low income area) NOT to buy an infant seat because we knew they probably wouldn't be able to afford to buy a convertible seat after that and they would continue to use the baby seat long beyond its height/weight limits.<br><br>
GRRRR...
 

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Well... This just happened to me recently.... I was planning on having a homebirth but ended up transferring to the hospital after 48+ hrs. of intense labor. By the time I arrived at the hospital I was fully dialated but severly dehydrated.... Anyways, The hospital i went to was totally cool, They were like..."We are so sorry that you had to come here" They were super nice and let my boyfriend deliver the baby. I am sure that not all hospitals are that cool but I have never heard of anyone calling child services because you were trying to have a homebirth.... I hope that everything works out with you.... Good Luck!
 

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I arrived at the hospital dialated to a 9, no longer in labor (that was the problem, completely stalled labor, had been at a 9 over 24 hours).<br><br>
My midwife came with me, as well as my dh, mom and sis (age 16). We were treated with the utmost respect and deference. They almost treated us like we were untouchable. They were very respectful of my midwife, who was right there sharing space with the doc and had her hands all over me and was advocating for me (although turns out wasn't necesary to advocate, they listened quite well to us).<br><br>
Babe was born late afternoon. The labor nurse came to my bedside at the end of her shift and told me she was thankful she was able to be at my birth because it was one of the most beautiful births she had ever seen (she was in her 50s, had seen a lot of births).<br><br>
The night nurse came into my room when I paged her and the first words out of her mouth were, "I had a homebirth".<br><br>
The resident told us to get the heck out of the hospital as soon as we could -it was no place for a new baby and mother.<br><br>
I was very surprised and grateful.<br><br>
Hopefully you will not transfer. If you do, I hope you get treated with the same kindness, respect and compassion that EVERY mother and child deserves, regardless of their story.<br><br>
~Tracy
 

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We transfered and had no issues at all. One nurse was a UA violation but she was not there for the birth (she was irritated because we would not let her bathe the baby). The staff was respectful and kind. They took time to ask me what I wanted and listen to me when I told them why I did not want certain interventions. Doc wanted to break my water, I said no, wanted internal monitor again I said no. My MW and doula stayed the entire time, MW even checked me once when I was pushy and no one said a thing. I was a VBAC and I did get a little "talk" after the birth about having no prenatal testing done. I reused EVERYTHING in pregnancy and he was worried about group B. But he also listened when I told him why I chose not to do those things and he respected our decisions. I was not expecting this when we transfered. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> I expected to be hearing "you were planning a HBAC!" and to not be treated respectfully and to have to fight for my birth. So there are good doctors, hospitals, nurses out there but you never know who you will get when you transfer. They did not even check our carseat just ask that we had one and we had to watch a 15 min car seat video.<br><br>
Allison<br><br>
The only thing I wish I had done was pack a bag just in case. I arrived at the hospital in a coat and blanket with nothing underneath and had to have someone bring me clothes to wear home. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><br><br>
ETA: the reason we txfr was for unknown bleeding, turns out it was a partial placental abruption (about 15%).
 
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