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I have a question...we are planning on becoming foster parents in the relatively near future. We are focusing on babies and were told we would likely get a lot of infants that are removed immediately after birth, from the hospital.<br><br>
This got me wondering-if they remove them immediately, does that mean the babies will more likely be intact? Like...the state doesnt have it done right? Esp in this area...I'm near Seattle.<br><br>
I know this doesnt mean that they would stay intact permanently, but the thought of taking care of a freshly circ'd penis just....I cant think about it. On top of that, we are doing foster-to-adopt. We are hoping that if any of the babies are unable to be reunited with their bio parents, to adopt them ourselves <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> Obviously having an intact penis wouldnt make any difference in this decision, but it'd be very nice!!!<br><br>
Anywho, anyone happen to know about this?
 

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Does medicaid cover it? If not, then they probably wouldn't want to pay to have it done. I'd call and ask though. At the very least, if they DO circ these babies, you could try and educate them. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up">
 

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I would talk to the social workers that handle these babies. Maybe you can request they be left intact until they are placed in their forever home.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Does medicaid cover it? If not, then they probably wouldn't want to pay to have it done. I'd call and ask though. At the very least, if they DO circ these babies, you could try and educate them. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up"></div>
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If she is from Seattle, I would guess no because Medicaid doesn't cover circumcision in Washington. What lucky boys. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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Nope, no Medicaid coverage for at LEAST the last 8 years....my own ds wasnt circ'd for this reason, lol. Thank you for not covering it WA!!!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
Now...not trying to nitpick, but....not ALL parents who have their kids taken away have Medicaid. It happens to middle and upper class parents as well, just not as often-probably moreso due to having legal assistance if something comes up than anything else, but I'd assume some of those parents would have other insurance coverage. Even some of the lower income parents would have private insurance. But then if they are taken away immediately, then they wouldnt be covered under their parents insurance anyway right? They'd automatically be covered by Medicaid instead?<br><br>
I will ask the social worker when the time comes definately, we havent even started the process yet though (we're in a dinky 3 bedroom townhouse right now with 3-soon to be 4-kids; we just dont have the space yet). Hopefully in the next year or so <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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I don't know, but I'm sure you'll love any children you are asked to care for regardless. Some friends have a baby boy via foster to adopt and the adoptive father is intact, but I feel the question about the baby's penis is too private to ask.
 

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I was a social worker. Depends if the state covers it & the social worker. When a child is in states custody, the social worker is their legal gaurdian & must sign off on everything. Usually the hospital sends the forms, or the forms are kept on hand from the hospital at the social services offive. Basic consent stuff for shots, care, special care, & in most circ forms. Alot of workers just signed everything & went on, I made sure not to consent to it the couple times I got infant cases.
 

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Good for you. Maybe we need to lobby / educate social workers to skip circ for the newborns and infants in their care. Maybe try to get the social workers' professors and professional organizations / licensing boards on board with not circing as a routine.
 

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This is what I was assuming. I don't know how insurance works exactly, but I imagine if the parent didn't have custody, their insurance wouldn't cover the child. I don't know though. I could be way off. I still vote for just straight-up asking what's done with the babies.
 

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I think it can also depend on when exactly parental rights are terminated, if they are right away or not. Since circs can happen so early in life, the legalities may not be done in time for the state to have control.<br><br>
Anyway, best of luck with your foster care experiences!
 

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Well, if the social workers have to sign off on it and it isnt covered here-which I know it isnt-then it doesnt seem like itd be done. But yeah, I will be asking the social worker when the time comes.<br><br>
And of course it wont change how we feel about the children involved...but I really cant see taking care of a freshly circ'd penis without bawling. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
Hopefully itll be a non-issue. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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Even if parents have the baby removed at birth the mother is usually asked about circing. Until parents have their rights terminated they have a say in medical treatment and are required to have information about medical appts and procedures. If you are in a low circ area and medicaid doent cover it they may not even offer it to the mom. But if they have private insurance and they want it done or are willing to pay for it the baby will be circ'd or scheduled to be circ'd as foster parents there isnt much you can do about it. ( but I bet that doenst happen much) They will also actively search for relatives to take the baby so if its a big pro search family then it will be done then. I know here they ask if there are any family members that will take the children and they will only be in foster care a short time. Maryland has a big push to keep families together.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I have a question...we are planning on becoming foster parents in the relatively near future. We are focusing on babies and were told we would likely get a lot of infants that are removed immediately after birth, from the hospital.<br><br>
This got me wondering-if they remove them immediately, does that mean the babies will more likely be intact? Like...the state doesnt have it done right? Esp in this area...I'm near Seattle.<br><br>
I know this doesnt mean that they would stay intact permanently, but the thought of taking care of a freshly circ'd penis just....I cant think about it. On top of that, we are doing foster-to-adopt. We are hoping that if any of the babies are unable to be reunited with their bio parents, to adopt them ourselves <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> Obviously having an intact penis wouldnt make any difference in this decision, but it'd be very nice!!!<br><br>
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Although the infants are removed from the parents as soon as they are born, until the parents rights have been terminated they still get to make that decision (as well as most medical and other decisions, as well as much more. We even had to have their permission to cut hair). No medicaid does not cover Circs unless its medically necessary. Although if the parents either have insurance or can afford to pay for the surgery, (because its not an expensive surgery) then it will be likely done before they leave the hospital along with the infants first shots. You might have to make an appointment at a Ped's office to get it done, if the parents wish it.<br>
Although you will find that it really goes on a case by case process. Nobody can really tell you exactly. As a foster parent myself, you will find that the parents will try to get in your way as much as they possibly can. Don't worry caring for a Circed penis isn't any harder than caring for the umbilical cord. All you need to do is keep your eye on it and wipe some Vaseline in the diaper.
 

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Maybe it depends on the state, but in my state once a child is considered in states custody, even those still living in the home or who are returned to the home, a social worker is a legal gaurdian. So even if parents still have parental rights, if it's ordered that a child should be placed with the department, even if the child is still in the home, the social workers permission is needed for anything legal, including medical care. DH is a teacher & they have several kids in states custody. They are required to contact the social workers & the parents if the child is in states custody. Being in legal custody doesn't mean they have to be in physical custody as well & you can get a court order for temp custody in just a few hours & a regular hearing is set up then as well.
 

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In AZ and CA, the state will not cover circ and will not have foster kids circed.<br><br>
The bio's have some say so for medical decisions, but would need to have the money to have it done and get social worker approval. Fortunately, I never had to deal with that!
 

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KayCS-I have to disagree, its a lot more work. My friend had her sons circ'd and I assure you, it takes her a lot longer to change their diaper than mine. However, this isnt even the issue for me. Its SEEING a freshly circ'd penis on a newborn child. It'll make me cry everytime I see it, everytime I try to change their diaper, everytime I try to move him around and he bawls from the pain. Its the violation that was done, the wound being there, I just cant handle it.<br><br>
I talked to another foster parent here and she said that unless the state doesnt step in within the first day, the babies are left intact by default. The parents cannot have them circ'd once they are in state custody and the local hospitals don't circ until the 2nd day. She's been a foster parent here for 8 years and has only gotten a couple of babies that were circ'd recently, the others were all older. I guess usually if the state knows they are going to step in that early on, they do it quickly and theres little chance for the procedure being done. (I also know someone who had her dd taken away literally 2 hours after her birth, they can move very quickly! And btw-it was her own fault, she refused to cooperate with the state during her pregnancy and knew they would take her away and didnt care...)<br><br>
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I worked with a woman who took a baby into foster custody straight after he was born. For whatever medical reason the baby apparently couldn't be circumcised straight away. They told her as part of the education process that she was required to retract and clean so she did! How frightening is it that someone who advices people how to care for newborns is completely ignorant? Anyway the woman had him circ'ed at 9 months, but at least he was under anethesia. Still, what sort of person risks general anesthesia for a cosmetic procedure?!<br><br>
The worst part is that even though her husband was intact she still had her bio-son and foster son circ'ed. People really are ignorant aren't they?!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">KayCS-I have to disagree, its a lot more work. My friend had her sons circ'd and I assure you, it takes her a lot longer to change their diaper than mine. However, this isnt even the issue for me. Its SEEING a freshly circ'd penis on a newborn child. It'll make me cry everytime I see it, everytime I try to change their diaper, everytime I try to move him around and he bawls from the pain. Its the violation that was done, the wound being there, I just cant handle it.<br><br>
I talked to another foster parent here and she said that unless the state doesnt step in within the first day, the babies are left intact by default. The parents cannot have them circ'd once they are in state custody and the local hospitals don't circ until the 2nd day. She's been a foster parent here for 8 years and has only gotten a couple of babies that were circ'd recently, the others were all older. I guess usually if the state knows they are going to step in that early on, they do it quickly and theres little chance for the procedure being done. (I also know someone who had her dd taken away literally 2 hours after her birth, they can move very quickly! And btw-it was her own fault, she refused to cooperate with the state during her pregnancy and knew they would take her away and didnt care...)<br><br>
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This may very from state to state, but where I did foster care, we usually had to have both the case worker and parents permisson, for just about everything. On medical decisions most of the time it was the parents call. I had a girl once that had an STD and another medical condition, and I was constantly taking her to the hospital. Everytime I took her, I would have to call her mother and get her permisson, before they would admitt her.<br>
I don't think that you would have much to worry about, I think most the babies would not be circ'ed unless parents really fought for it.<br><br>
I am sorry, I can understand not wanting to see a small baby with that kind of wound in that specific place. My son is also circ'ed and I was worried about taking care of it, but turned out to be easier than I thought it would be. It did take me longer to change his diaper, but that was mostly because I didnt want to hurt him.
 

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If it makes you feel *any* better, it was not hard to care for my son after he was circ'd. Diaper changes take maybe a min longer or so, just for a week I think. He didn't ever act like he was in any pain or discomfort from it. Maybe we were just lucky. If that's what you want to call it! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:
 
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