[LionTigerBear]

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<div>Originally Posted by <strong>rhiandmoi</strong> <a href="/community/forum/post/12675414"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/community/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a></div>
<div style="font-style:italic;">Except that when animals get spayed or neutered their gonads are removed and there fore they are no longer being influenced by the hormones produced by the gonads. When humans get "fixed" the gonads are still there, just the gametes are not allowed to travel through their normal tubes.</div>
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You're right, thanks for catching that. It's not quite the same. But I still think that vasectomies and tubal ligation affects people on an energetic level, which affects personality and health. I think there is less life force energy afterwards. It's not really a scientifically-based belief <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">, so I'm just putting it out there for consideration, that's all.

 

[Jane]

Condoms<br>
Withdrawl (pullout)<br>
Copper iud<br>
Nfp<br>
Lam<br>
Vascectomy<br>
Tubal ligation<br><br>
Any other non-hormonal, non-spermicidal options?

 

[Juvysen]

<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lurk.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lurk">:<br><br>
I totally am not happy with any of my options right now. Honestly, if I was rich enough to have a nanny, I'd probably just go the perpetually pregnant route... but lately I can't handle the two I have, so I'm scared to have another.

 

[flapjack]

A big, big vote for an IUD here. I am having some problems with heavy bleeding (this is my third full cycle since getting it fitted) but the freedom from worrying about contraception is wonderful. I've tried more or less everything else out there- the long term possibility was sterilisation, but that has the same risks of heavy periods.

 

[asoulunbound]

I'm getting really frustrated too. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry"><br><br>
Abstinence really isn't helping.<br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink">

 

[sbilady]

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Condoms<br>
Withdrawl (pullout)<br>
Copper iud<br>
Nfp<br>
Lam<br>
Vascectomy<br>
Tubal ligation<br><br>
Any other non-hormonal, non-spermicidal options?</div>
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NFP is NOT the same as FAM.<br><br>
You can use a natural spermicide made with lemon juice and aloe vera with diaphragms and cervical caps if the chemical stuff is a problem.

 

[dollyanna]

hmmm. This Lea's Shield sounds interesting. I tried to order a diapragm and they're having some kind of manufacturing problem so I wasn't able to get one. They said try again in December, but geez.<br><br>
I am also allergic to spermicide. So, it's all a gamble, but I also have PCOS and it took 2 years of no contraception to get pregant so...<br><br>
I positive that my Dr has never heard of this Lea's Shield thing, but they have it at planned parenthood. Maybe I'll make an appointment.<br><br>
Has anyone used it?

 

[Magelet]

I definitely wouldn't use them if I were in a "We cannot get pregnant right now, that would be a disaster place", due to their untestedness but there <b>are</b> some herbal and plant based things I've done some reading about that are supposed to be fairly effective.<br><br>
-It is hard to get ahold of, but Queen Anne's Lace seeds seem to have a fairly good (anectodal) track record. I don't beleive any studies have been done. The woman eat/swallow? about a tbs of seeds within a few hours after intercourse. I don't know the scientific reason behind it off-hand, so it might not fit with some of the catholic rules, and such, but it is considered birth control and not emergency contraception or an abortifacient. I keep considering it, but QAL seeds are hard to get. Penny's Herb Company is the only place I know of that sells them but I'll admit that since a friend gave me that link, I didn't look too hard elsewhere.<br><br>
-There's something with wild yam extract, I think there actually might have been a study or two on this but I'm not sure. I know very little about this, but you might want to do some research.<br><br>
-I know there was once a plant related to fennel that was a REALLY effective birth control. Unfortunately, it was a REALLY effective birth control, and only grew in one little place. The Roman Emperor ordered the very last plants brought to Rome for his use. Selfish prick. anyways, I think I read an article that said someone was doing research into whether any of its closest relatives had this property.<br><br>
-there are other herbs which discourage fertility, and have been used at various points as birth control. Unfortunately, my Wise Woman's Herbal for the Childbearing Year is packed away in boxes still, as are all my other herbals, and I don't recall which box, nor which book.<br><br>
I too, am in the what birth control should I use debate. I refuse to use hormonal after previous experience, and condoms suck. I too discovered that one of the only/the only company whose diaphragms are widely available TOOK THEM OFF THE MARKET while they are remaking them in silicon. Ridiculous. Insane. Since I've lost a lot of weight, I'm going to have my prescription checked before I get one.<br><br>
I'm think of learning NFP or something like that (still confused by all the variations to be honest), and charting, with a diaphragm for fertile days. Since BF lives far away right now (hopefully not much longer<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/praying.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="praying"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">, not dtd during the fertile period if that was when we were together, wouldn't work. I do have to admit, that while I don't think BF and I are quite on the same page about this (I know, it could be a problem. We both want them eventually, and soon, just you know, how soon is debated. and of course, it would really be better if how soon were a couple years, it would be easier on us and the LO), that I would not exactly be devastated if an oops were to happen. So I'm ok with a fairly effective method rather than a very one.<br><br>
right, sorry rambling again.