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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">WASHINGTON — Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, said Thursday that conditions in Iraq may get harder before they get easier and will require "an enormous commitment" over time by the United States.<br><br>
Speaking as the Senate debated veto-threatened legislation to start bringing home U.S. forces in October, Petraeus called the war there "the most complex and challenging I have ever seen."<br><br>
The four-star general, named by President Bush to oversee the recent buildup of American forces, cited some progress in the two months since the troop increase began. Still, he said, "there is vastly more work to be done across the board. ... We are just getting started with the new effort."</td>
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Petraeus could have done something a couple of years ago, but he wasn't listened to. Now they have put him in charge, but he has not been given what he needs to do the job. For one thing, he doesn't have enough troops, even for Baghdad. For another, one does not just pacify one city in a national rebellion.<br><br>
Things aren't going to get worse before they get better. They're just going to get worse. But Bush wants to buy himself some time where he can point to failure and claim success.
 

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I think Bush is waiting it out... so he can point the finger at democrats <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: When here it was going so well before they came into power in Congress.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I think Bush is waiting it out... so he can point the finger at democrats <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: When here it was going so well before they came into power in Congress.</div>
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In fact it's already happening in the minds of some. My father was going off the other night about how the Dems are going to cut off funding for the war and the war effort will trickle out and endanger the lives of our soldiers as well as Iraqi soldiers, just like in Vietnam.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">In fact it's already happening in the minds of some. My father was going off the other night about how the Dems are going to cut off funding for the war and the war effort will trickle out and endanger the lives of our soldiers as well as Iraqi soldiers, just like in Vietnam.</div>
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Maybe your father isn't old enough to remember Viet Nam.<br><br>
Is he suggesting that funding was cut off and the soldiers eventually just ran out of bullets or something?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Maybe your father isn't old enough to remember Viet Nam.<br><br>
Is he suggesting that funding was cut off and the soldiers eventually just ran out of bullets or something?</div>
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My father was in highschool and college during Viet Nam. His brother (two years older I think) fought there.<br><br>
Personally I know very little about Viet Nam--we never got there in history class and I've never put in the effort to learn much about it.<br><br>
And yes, he has claimed multiple times (based mainly on my uncles experience, I believe) that soldiers literally didn't have enough ammo for a while before they were pulled out. Last night he said something that didn't make much sense to me, that when the US left South Vietnam continued fighting North Vietnam quite succesfully until their funding from the US was pulled and then, of course, they lost.
 

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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">And yes, he has claimed multiple times (based mainly on my uncles experience, I believe) that soldiers literally didn't have enough ammo for a while before they were pulled out. Last night he said something that didn't make much sense to me, that when the US left South Vietnam continued fighting North Vietnam quite succesfully until their funding from the US was pulled and then, of course, they lost.</td>
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I don't think that that is true for the whole military force that was there, although your uncle's unit itself may have had some logistical problems. We should remember that troops were pulled out in phases. The half million that were there at the peak dwindled down to a few tens of thousands at the end. But those massive supplies remained until the end.<br><br>
The second point about the funding is a myth as well, but an interesting one since it makes an assumption that Bush is making now about Iraq; if we just keep pumping in the money, we will win. The whole point of the US pull out in Viet Nam and the thing that made it possible for the Republicans to accept (it was, after all, Nixonand Ford who did the pull out) was that we would leave and the South Vietnamese would take over for us. And that's what happened. The South Vietnamese did not fight well after we left. We did continue to support them financially up to the end. We only stopped pumping money in when the communists literally had Saigon itself surrounded. The reason that Viet Nam failed is the same reason that Iraq is going to fail. There is no genuine indigenous political legitimacy.
 
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