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Is anyone here paying attention to what's going on in the Sudan? It's absolutely appalling. News in many mainstream papers has been relatively scarce, but the Washington Post has had a few significant articles lately.

Don't let this become another Rwanda. Contact your federal representatives and let them know you want the U.S. to intervene to make this stop. I understand that Colin Powell just traveled to the Sudan to speak with heads of state there about the situation, but we need to do more. If you live in a city with a Sudanese embassy or counsulate, start or join a protest there.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Jun29.html

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Riding on horseback and camel, the Janjaweed, many of them teenagers or young adults, burned villages, stole and destroyed grain supplies and animals and raped women, according to refugees and U.N. and human rights investigators. The government used helicopter gunships and aging Russian planes to bomb the area, the U.N. and human rights representatives said. The U.S. government has said it is investigating the killings of an estimated 30,000 people in Darfur and the displacement of the more than 1 million people from their tribal lands to determine whether the violence should be classified as genocide.

The New York-based organization Human Rights Watch said in a June 22 report that it investigated "the use of rape by both Janjaweed and Sudanese soldiers against women from the three African ethnic groups targeted in the 'ethnic cleansing' campaign in Darfur." It added, "The rapes are often accompanied by dehumanizing epithets, stressing the ethnic nature of the joint government-Janjaweed campaign. The rapists use the terms 'slaves' and 'black slaves' to refer to the women, who are mostly from the Fur, Masalit and Zaghawa ethnic groups."
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Over the past 16 months, more than 10,000 people have been killed and thousands driven from their homes by the Arab militiamen. Human rights and aid groups accuse the government of carrying out an ethnic cleansing campaign, targeting three tribes: the Fur, Massaleit and Zaghawa.

Sudanese authorities tightly restrict access to the region. But this week, NASA satellite photos still being reviewed provided a clearer view: 56,000 houses, with conical roofs known as tukels, have been destroyed in nearly 400 villages.

Aid workers predict that many more people will die, and that the U.N. World Food Program will be able to reach only 800,000 of the 1.2 million displaced people because of continuing violence. Aid workers are also concerned the rainy season will slow or stop food shipments. And waterborne diseases in crowded camps with no latrines will increase the number of deaths, they said. The U.S. Agency for International Development estimated that at least 350,000 people will die of disease and malnutrition over the next nine months.
 

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Shhhhhh...we can't call it genocide. Then we'd have to do something.

It's horrifying. I think Powell is doing what he can, but too much focus on this could spoil things for the President's re-election bid, esp if we had to send troops over there and some got killed. The last thing Bush needs is another Blackhawk Down.
 

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sssshhhhhh ... mustn't let the UN hear. Then they might, oh, have to convene a special session or something. Naaaah, that's just for those other folks. Maybe pass a resolution ... naaaah. Why bother. They're too busy elsewhere.

 

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This situation is a prime example of how the US government is more than willing to go in and "save" countries from "evil" like saddam, but if they won't gain anything ($$$, power, political advantage, etc) they turn a blind eye. I say the US gov because I'm trying to be non-partisan about it, but it's usually the republicans (usually a Bush, to be specific) who feel so compelled to deliver the world from evil as long as they can benefit from it.

I don't usually use emoticons, but there's one here...somewhere...that sums up my feelings on this matter perfectly... :puke
 

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This is a situation that I have been concerned about for a long time. I do not think that the US is doing enough but we are doing more than the UN, who still has not condemned the actions. The government in Sudan says that they are not aiding the militants and are trying to control them - not that most people believe that.

I am glad that Powell visited the country. Several countries have already agreed to send troops for a UN humanitarian mission but still no word on when the UN will, if ever, authorize that mission.

Thanks for posting about this Marlena. I don't think most people realize what is going on over there because the mainstream media has not covered this story enough.
 

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I, too, am pleased about Powell's visit, and the message (at least the public one) that he brought.

But regarding the proposed UN resolution, it simply doesn't do enough. There appears to be significant evidence that the Sudanese government, if not overtly backing the Arab militias, has broadly condoned their behavior. To merely focus on the militia members, as the proposed resolution does, is a cop out at best: it appears on its face to be taking a stance against the militias' actions, but does little if anything to help stop it.
 

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I have been watching this for a long time now...mentioned it in other places, but not here.

One thing I do find deeply disturbing is the desire of some of the extremists hate mongers to turn this into a Muslim vs. Christian issue. Amongst the many people who have been brutalized, raped and murdered by the zanjaweed and their government supportes are Muslims. There are even tales of masjids being burned down amongst other sacriledge.

"The Janjaweed militias, Muslim like the African groups they attack, have destroyed mosques, killed Muslim religious leaders, and desecrated Qorans belonging to their enemies."

http://hrw.org/reports/2004/sudan050...m#_Toc71531687
 

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I heard that Saudi has pledged support for the SUDANESE government. Yet another red check against Ahl Al Saud (the house of Saud), but what are we gonna do about it?
Nothing is my guess.

Why are we not there already, is my question.
 

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The situation is awful. I have listened to weekly reports on NPR for months now. The biggest threat is right around the corner - the rains that will devestate the camps. It will be near impossible to get aid into them. My hope is that all eyes are focused on that and all aid will go toward keeping those inroads open while working to maintain the peace agreement and move the refugees safely back. Starvation will do far more than the warring militia (by all means they need to be stopped also).

Here is a report this am: SUDAN: Annan discusses Darfur situation with officials in Khartoum

Let's not forget that the UN has a presence in many places..............some of the workers recently lost their lives: UN Chopper Crash in Sierra Leone Jungle Kills 24
 

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So sorry to have to post & run.... it's nice to see that we can all be on the same side of the fence for once.....


Mahdohkt, it has been my understanding all along that this is a Muslim fighting Muslim situation- am I not understanding the whole thing?? I thought that's why the Arab League was reluctant to get involved or say much about it. Ah, I'll just have to try & get back tomorrow to read links.....
 

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But it is Arab Muslims vs Black Muslims.

IMO, there should be *no* more discussion about this. Something needs to be done before, as a pp menioned, the rains come and appx 500,000 die (Time magazine).
 

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My understanding is that both the US and UN are awaiting "more evidence" to decide if it qualifies as genocide (and thus, perhaps, to take more significant measures).

Has anyone seen anything indicating that any major attempt to secure the lives and safety of the one million displaced people will be undertaken in the immediate future?

Check out the interview with Kevin Kennedy, on the right hand bar of the link El provided, to see further illustration of the official attitudes towards the issues involved.
 

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But it is Arab Muslims vs Black Muslims.

IMO, there should be *no* more discussion about this. Something needs to be done before, as a pp menioned, the rains come and appx 500,000 die (Time magazine).

Well the people in the Darfur region are Christian, Muslim and Animist. So it's not a Muslim vs. Muslim issue. The truth is that the "Arabs" of Sudan look an awful lot like other Africans. When we say Arab vs. "black" it is really a misnomer. Arabs, like Americans come in many different shades. The Arabs of Sudan range in color and most of those I have met have complexions like Lauryn Hill or Brandy actually, they just tend to have looser waves and curls instead of the tight kink of "purer" Africans. Kinda like Chili from TLC.

To the best of my understanding, this has little to do with religion, nothing to to do with skin color. It is really about people native to a region having ahold of resources that others want. That mixed in with a fierce tribalism that has been ingrained in Arab culture for centuries has made for murder, pillaging and rape suffered by the people of Darfur.
 

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This is not about religion, it's about where they come from and economic resources. Yes, many happen to be Miuslim, but a relationship does not causation make. It's like saying that Bush kills Iraqis because it's a war of Christians against Muslims.

It'a an awful situation. The peace accord from last month was just used to blind everybody into believing things would be okay, and now the world watches and won't do anything until it's too late again.
 

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What a smart political move it would be for Shrub to come to the rescue, eh?

We know all eyes watch what will be our action.....................I'm off to find something to send the WH. Surely a billion out of the Iraqi hundreds of billions could be funneled toward this?
 
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