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Hi...
I need some help...I am not having a good day...
My beautiful daughter has been diagnosed (finally!) with GERD...She is also really contipated and has a tear in her anus from all of the strainig.l THe (third) pediatrician we had been going to has told me to use a suppository to heal the tear as well as to give her Colase??? (I think that's it but I don't have the prescription in front of me right now...My poor baby is screaming her head off...I was told by the ped to give her cereal at night in a bout a month but how do I do that since we are exclusively breastfeeding and she refuses to take a bottle??? Also, I feel the constipation may be casued by a milk allergy since I have been noticing when I eat dairy that she get this way (bright green poop, straining, colicky symptoms). The ped told me I was wrong and that she is just constipated like some babies get...I looked it up in the Dr. Sears book and it seems to make sense...I am going to try the elimination diet he suggests just to be sure...Any one else go through this??? I just want my baby to stop hurting...One more thing - the ped looked at me like I was nuts when I told her I sleep with the baby and wear her in a sling...Ugh...I wish I could find an AP ped here in this little town...
 

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Hi. *hugs* mama, I've been there.

Is the tear visible? Or do you think there is a tear because of blood?

My dd is sensitive to dairy, soy, citrus, and pork. I did the Dr. Sears diet and after 2.5 weeks *most* of her symptoms were gone. But she still refluxes (she's a spitter) a lot, and we use pepcid to control the pain for her.

I'm sorry it took you 3 pedis to get a diagnosis, but I think you might keep looking.

Colase - yes, that's a stool softener. Does she have hard stools? BF babies almost never ever get constipated, at least "not like some babies" like your pedi says. what does her poo look like? I spent a lot of time studying this while dd was in pain, so go ahead and give me all the details
slimy, green, stringy, all sounds like a food intolerance to me.

Personally I'd skip the colase (and the suppository) and just go on the diet, it's amazing how quickly that can fix things. Cereal doesn't necessarily work for GERD, studies have shown no difference, and starting solids early (before 6 months) can increase the risk of your baby being allergic to those foods as an adult. My dd never took a bottle either.

If pedi thinks GERD, why didn't they give you meds for that?
Does your babe have a diaper rash of any kind?

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A little on us.. I noticed dd had "issues" - colic, funky colored poo, etc. at 3 weeks, especially if I had dairy. At 6 weeks she began spitting a ton, screaming in pain, crying constantly, not napping, arching her back, at 8 weeks she was diagnosed with GER. We started on pepcid and it helped within a few days with the pain and arching. At 11 weeks she got fussier again and her dose needed upped, and things got better again. We had every color poo - orange, neon, green, brown, etc. and foamy, slimy, stringy, chunky, stinky, etc.

I started the Dr. Sears diet soon after. The first week was easy, I like turkey, and I had a lot of help coming up with meal ideas using the limited choices. 2.5 weeks later she wasn't screaming. She had "textbook" poo - yellow, mustardy, no chunks, no slime, no mucous, etc. So I started adding foods, I added a few "low allergens" first - chicken, apples, grapes, peaches, ever 2 or 3 days. Then I added a "high" allergen (corn) and waited 4-5 days. The reason I picked corn first was because most regular meat in the stores are fed corn, which is why Dr. Sears says to use free range meats. If she was ok with corn then I could eat regular meat again. Then I added some more low ones (banana, oats, etc.) and then I tried oranges. She reacted. Had to wait until the reaction went away. Added some more low again, then wheat, then some low veggies, then beef. So far so good. Discovered pork by accident - I had a chicken sausage with a pork casing on it, bad day for us.

Beware, many deli meats have dairy in them.

I'd be glad to help you plan meals if you want to do the diet. It's not that bad. The first week is easy, the second week is really boring, and the third week is difficult, but then you see results. It's so worth it.

The screaming her head off stopped 2 weeks in to the diet, it takes at least 2 weeks to get dairy out of your system. Soy is very similar to dairy.

And at 4 months something magical happened. My baby became happy. She is still high needs, must be moving around, nurses frequently (not every 3 hrs like "they" say babies will), and fusses some, but it's a new child compared to what we had before.

We also took her to the chiro. I found a chiro who specializes in pregnant women and babies. My water was broken for 31 hrs before she was born, and I pushed in a bad position (had an epidural after all that time). She was "tight" in the areas where the nerves for digestion, stomach, bowel, bladder are, and after a month of chiro 2x/wk she is much much happier. Baby chiro is a lot like a massage.

Go with your gut mama, do what you think is best, even if it's not what the pedi says.
 

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THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR REPLYING...You wanted the gory details - here they are - her poop has been all sorts of appearances...I had pizza and for three days it was green (BRIGHT, neon_ and it looks awfully mucousy. It has also been forrest green (?) and has had varying kinds and amounts of mucous in it There was blood in it which is why I called the doctor today. That IS from a tear - the doctor showed it to me. I notice she is like this with dairy and possibly soy which is tought becasue I have been a vegetarian until recently...I added fish when pregnant becasue I wasn't gaining enough weight. I too had a difficult labor (29 hours) and she was transverse (sideways) so I was given pitocin to help things along. I DID NOT have pain meds though and pushed out a 9 lb. 4 oz girl!!! (Ouch!) My midwife calls me a goddess!
The ped also told me to give her a pacifier instead of letting her use me as one but she hasn't taken one before and to be honest I don't want her to so I will just breastfeed when she wants to...Did your baby nurse ALL THE TIME??? It seems like that is all she wants to do...I would really LOVE help in planning the elimination diet becasue I have no idea where to begin. THanks again and hope to hear form you soon!!!
 

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Yes, she nursed for 45 min at a time every hour on the hour!! It's because the milk soothes their throats.

I REALLY didn't want to do a paci, but the sucking and swallowing saliva w/o milk also helps heal the throat. For us, she'd suck so long and get so full she'd spit up more and more. It was a vicious cycle. It took many weeks to get her to take it, she really preferred me but the extra milk was causing it to be worse.

Sounds almost like me
long crooked labor, we had pit too, just a mess!

Are you willing to eat meat? Because you will be SO HUNGRY on this diet. Soy is really similar in shape to dairy protein, and for babes with dairy issues, about half have soy issues too.
 

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Yeah...pitocin really is the pits!!!
: I had 16ml and was in so much pain that I don't remember much. My doula wrote my birth story though and said I never asked for anything...I am just so glad she is OK!!! I am willing to eat meat if I have to becasue I will do anything for this one but it will take some getting used to. I am not sure where I can find free range meat in such a little town - do you have any suggestions or was it readily available for you??? So where (and when) do I start, oh wise one???
And do you have suggestions about the pacifier - how to get her to take it and when to stop using it???
 

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Hrm, middle of nowhere IL. I found free range stuff at Heinen's (it's a "upscale" grocery chain around here). Do you have any amish farmers nearby? I really don't like lamb, so I did turkey only. I'd put 1/2 turkey in a roasting pan and cook it forever (3 hrs?) w/salt and pepper and 1/2 c water. I'd eat it hot that meal, cold the next, warm it the next day, etc. and it would last 2.5-3 days. I'd also make soup with the carcass and put potato, lots of salt, rice noodles, and turkey in. Not too bad. You can get about a gallon of broth out of one turkey.

Puffed millet w/rice milk (get enriched Rice Dream) is better than puffed rice, but both are ok for breakfast. Oh duh, I blogged about it at the beginning. www.deadfrog.net if you want to read. Lots and lots of pears. Bake a yam forever in the oven (until the skin is crackly and falling off). Spaghetti squash, zucchini, etc.

Olive oil is usually ok. Ground turkey has rosemary in it, a small risk but probably ok too. Safflower oil is considered safe too, if you want to sautee veggies or something. Hash browns (use turkey fat to cook), you can make shepherds pie w/ground turkey, lamb stew, kebobs, etc.

Paci - well we tried out 4 or 5 brands before we found one she'd keep in her mouth. We'd gently hold it in place for her until she started sucking, and then gently tug on it to teach her to keep it in. It saved my sanity in the car, she was a real screamer in the car (pain I think) until we moved to the convertable car seat. The ones we ended up with were the NUK ones, pretty generic.
 

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OK...so I just eat those things you suggested and then add low allergens after a week or two??? How many at a time??? And no - there are not organic farmers here or Amish farmers but perhaps I can just use ground turkey then...BUT it is from the grocery store - do you think it has been corn-fed??? Ugh...I work at the local co-op so I guess I will just go out and get some of millet you are suggesting...And as far as the pacifier - we have only tried the Avent nipples so I guess we should try the others to see if THAT works. I just don't want her to become too dependent on them. And you must be right about the car - she is not too happy and screams a lot too! Please tell me this will get better and she will be OK...
 

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Pain in carseat - yah, the bucket made her curl up and reflux more. Much better now. We moved her at 12 weeks.

Paci - well, my plan.. we use it in the car, when she's REALLY fussy and we're out and my boob won't do, and when she's going to sleep - because too much milk makes it bad again. My plan is to only have the 0-6 month size, and as she grows, to not get the bigger ones. Hopefully as they are too small then she'll just give them up. We don't use them all day long.

I did this diet:
http://www.askdrsears.com/html/4/t041200.asp
And then when I add foods, I look at this chart:
http://www.hallpublications.com/title2_sample1.html
keeping in mind that I'm not doing anything in the dairy list, avoiding the nut list, etc.

Do you have a health food store?
 

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Meat Market

Inboden's Meats, Ltd.
1106 N. 1st Street
DeKalb, IL 60115
815-756-5852

a kosher market can help
trader joes? can you get to naperville?

if not, then just do regular turkey at the grocery, your symptoms really do seem to be dairy/soy
 

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Ladybug, sorry I was all gung-ho last night - there are other less intensive and less stressful ways to figure this out, if the giant elimination diet seems overwhelming for you..

You can do what Tigerpurring is doing - she eliminated the "BIG" allergens from her diet - those are:

dairy, eggs, soy, wheat, chocolate, fish, shellfish, tree nuts, peanuts, corn, pork

OR you can eliminate the "most allergenic" foods - which is a bigger list..

berries
buckwheat
chocolate
cinnamon
citrus fruits
coconut
corn
dairy products
egg whites
mustard
nuts
peas
peanut butter
pork
shellfish
soy
sugar
tomatoes
wheat
yeast

OR, you can start eating the "least allergenic" foods for a while and then add back in the others:

apples
apricots
asparagus
avocados
barley
beets
broccoli
carrots
cauliflower
chicken
cranberries
dates
grapes
honey
lamb
lettuce
mangoes
oats
papayas
peaches
pears
poi
raisins
rice
rye
safflower oil
salmon
squash
sunflower oil
sweet potatoes
turkey
veal

Starting with the least allergenic list is a little more variety than the total elimination diet. Might be easier for you. Also, don't worry so much about the turkey and chicken and free-range meats, there is a slight risk, but the chance of your dd being that sensitive to corn is VERY low.
 

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OK...so I talked to her doctor yesterdaty afternoon becasue she had been screaming at the top of her lungs all morning - she is right now too as a matter of fact...She told me that now it sounds like a COLD and that Kiera sounds "crampy" as well...She said that because the baby is sneezing and coughing but according to our ear thermometer rthere is no fever. She suggested I use onemore suppository just to lubricate the tear...so I did...This morning she has diarrhea...DIdn't have it yesterday but it's there now! Her constipation is gine but now she is miserable again. I am on day 2 of the total elimination diet and hope that will show some results very soon or Imight cry! Any thoughts? Did this happen to anyone else??? And I know this is gross but there were still strands of mucus in her poop this morning but at least the whole BM isn't bright green any more...
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LB take a deep breath and a moment, I PROMISE it will all get better. It can take 2-3 weeks to get all the milk and soy proteins out of your body. But you will likely see some decent results around day 5-6. Specifically the screaming should be less.

The mucous is because her insides are irritated, you may see mucous for a few days until her intestines and stomach feel better.

Also, a sign that pedis don't like to "see" - congested babies who are ALWAYS congested is usually because of an allergy not a cold.

Have you asked the pedi about reflux meds? Even if you only did them for a short time, it would reduce the pain/screaming from her throat hurting (think heartburn x 10).
 

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I did ask the doctor about reflux medication when we went to see her and she told me that she wanted to get the constipation under control first, try positioning after eating, then cereal, and THEN if it still didn't work she would prescribe medication for Kiera. I told her that the baby has always been stuffy but she still told me it was a cold and that food allergies are very uncommon...Grrrr...I am looking for another doctor becasue she was pretty mean to me when we went in...She yelled at me and told me if there is blod coming from anywhere they need to know about it right away and that the baby could have DIED and I don't want my baby to die!!! I am not a crier but of course I began bawling right in her office...I don't think she meant anything by it but it made me feel horrible! I think we just need a doctor who is a better fit...I will have to drive all over IL but I'll do it...I also found a chiropractor that is in the next town up and I am going to call her on MOnday to see if that can help with things. As far as the diet - I am going to add sesame seeds (tahini) since she didn't have a problem with those before so I can get some calcium...Othwerwise it's turky, turkey, turkey! (Gobble, gobble!...my husband kept doing that to me last night...ha ha...
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P.S. - I forgot to say thanks to you, Lisa, because you have been SUCH a help! I owe you one!!!
 

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LB, you are doing great! Remember your mama gut knows 1000x better than any doc.
Don't let them feel bad, it is their job to support you and help you! Have you tried the "finding your tribe" section to get a doc referral?

KK, thanks for the link, I'm going to check it out now.

*grumble* Lauren has another reaction. I had raspberries on Friday night, and reduced fat Oreo's yesterday (they are dairy/soy free), so I'm not sure which one it was. I'm going to guess the raspberries as she's not pooped since then.

LB - also, what are your "symptoms" for constipation? Is she not going regularly enough or is it getting hard? BF babes *usually* don't get constipated, I wonder if it's just a reaction causing her not to go? My babe has 18-36 hrs between bms when she's reacting to a food I ate, she usually goes every morning first thing.

*gobble* been there, love turkey!
 

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The doctor told me she was constipated becaseu that is the only thing that will tear a baby's anus...I also noticed her straining to get them out...They are not hard but they are not seedy either...They are still really slimy and she only had one (very small one) today. She usually goes first thing in the morning too...I am sorry I am griping so much...I will also check out that link. I e-mailed you @ your personal e-mail as well this morning. My e-mail address is: [email protected] if you want to e-mail me too...Thanks and off to make some turkey...Sorry about the reaction...It was probably the berries - I had "issues" with strawberries when I was a kid but now I can eat them all, I want...You hang in there too...Lets just hope it wasn't the Oreos!!! :)
 
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