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i've always had issues with this phenomenon. i've always felt (for lack of a better word) icky about this whole thing. to be honest, i'm still trying to figure out whether i'm a feminist or not. i do feel, however, that females are allowing themselves to be exploited for....what??? trucker hats (which, btw, aren't even "en vogue" anymore), and stupid t-shirts??<br><br>
even tho i'm not sure if i really qualify as a feminist or not, i feel like we are going backwards...it's like the feminist movement really never even happened. we're objects...still.<br><br>
showing your boobs/butt and/or whatever goes for the camera for your 15 minutes of fame is not a sign of empowerment to me. it doesn't make you cool or sexy. i'm not a prude. i just don't understand this at all.<br><br>
i honestly don't mean to anger anyone here, but really, i'm sick of seeing this crap. i think i may open a can of worms, but i just feel like this is something that needs to be discussed....
 

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It's honestly never bothered me.
 

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I'm a feminist that has no issue with sex or women profiting off of the objectification fantasy. Say for example strip clubs. Don't really bother me, doesn't bother me the once in a blue moon DP is invited to a bachelor party night that does the strip club crawl.<br><br>
But in the case of the girls gone wild videos I am bothered. That is exploitation. i don't think those young women get any money, just the man who produces the films. I also think that most of the time the women are pretty drunk. and may not really be in a really good place to make judgments or sign releases. i don't know any of this for a fact, it's just my speculation of course.
 

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ITA with you. Girls Gone Wild is the antithesis of feminism <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I'm a feminist that has no issue with sex or women profiting off of the objectification fantasy. Say for example strip clubs. Don't really bother me, doesn't bother me the once in a blue moon DP is invited to a bachelor party night that does the strip club crawl.<br><br>
But in the case of the girls gone wild videos I am bothered. That is exploitation. i don't think those young women get any money, just the man who produces the films. I also think that most of the time the women are pretty drunk. and may not really be in a really good place to make judgments or sign releases. i don't know any of this for a fact, it's just my speculation of course.</div>
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I agree. What bothers me about Girls Gone Wild is that they don't get paid (to my knowledge). If they were getting paid then I wouldn't care.
 

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First, the people who produce GGW have already been sued for a couple of million dollars.<br><br>
Secondly, if the GGW chicks had consented to and been compensated for showing their goods, I have no problem with it.<br><br>
Lastly, feminism is about women having rights and choices equal to those of men. Feminism is not about refusing to wear skirts or makeup, being childfree, or even about getting naked in front of a camera held by a man. It's about <b>choice</b>.
 

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I have the opposite view (as usual, I guess). I don't agree with the choice of these women to flash themselves for the camera, but it is their choice, and I respect it. I think it's much more problematic when the women are being paid for it. At least we know that the girls going wild are doing what they do because they want to, not because they need the money to live on, as is often the case for paid sexworkers.
 

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I consider myself a feminist. I am all for sexual expression and believe women have ownership of their own sexuality and can do whatever they want with it. What I take issue with is the whole "servicing of men" mentality that goes beyond GGW.
 

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If you care to look it up, the head of the company is currently being investigated for filming underage girls and tax evasion.
 

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Have have no issues with Playboy, Jenna Jameson, things like that - those to me represent women's choices about their sexuality. Girls Gone Wild really bothers me because they prey on younger women, completely ply them with alcohol and use strong-arm tactics to get consent (when they're wasted, generally.) I read a really disturbing article *Glamour" maybe?) about how they had an RV set up, provided alcohol and encouraged the drinking and after the girls were egged on to perfom increasingly sexual acts, were brought (alone) back to the camper and pushed to sign consent. THAT was disturbing.<br><br>
I'm all about women owning and taking responsibility for their sexuality, but the whole GWW culture is not about that - it's sheer exploitation.<br><br>
PS How can you be a woman and *not* be a feminist? It's not about not shaving your legs and burning your bra, it's about being concerned about issues that deeply impact women and effecting positive change for our gender!
 

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There are numerous allegations that he has raped women who have been recruited to be in the videos. The whole premise of the videos creeps me out to begin with, but I think the position that it's all good, sexy fun is really undermined once women start reporting being raped. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">There are numerous allegations that he has raped women who have been recruited to be in the videos. The whole premise of the videos creeps me out to begin with, but I think the position that it's all good, sexy fun is really undermined once women start reporting being raped. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"></div>
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I agree with you. I don't have a problem with strip clubs etc. But this bothers me because it targets very young, if not underage women and it seems like alcohol is always involved. Which alcohol in itself is okay, but I don't think these young women are making good judgement since they are impaired.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I consider myself a feminist. I am all for sexual expression and believe women have ownership of their own sexuality and can do whatever they want with it. What I take issue with is the whole "servicing of men" mentality that goes beyond GGW.</div>
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I don't care for Girls Gone Wild. I think that they prey on young women and take advantage of the fact that most of the girls are intoxicated. I also think videos like this further emphasize our culture's oversexualization of the female breast.
 

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The so-called "producers" who scout these girls purposely ply them with as much alcohol as they can get them to drink, then wheedle and taunt them into taking their clothes off. They mock them, tease them, pressure them, act angry when they don't comply, et cetera.<br><br>
Joe Francis is a vile pig who physically assaulted a female writer who was accompanying him for an article she was writing - after he repeatedly tried to get her to show him her breasts, laughed at her, did huge amounts of coke in her presence, and said things that make it clear that the job of the scouts in the bar is to get the girls to do things regardless of the tactic used.<br><br>
Further, I find something incredibly disturbing about drunk girls being encouraged to fake sexual encounters with each other - if any of you have ever seen any of these DVDs, you'll know what I'm talking about. There is something very disturbing, to me, about hetero girls pretending to have sex with each other in order to please men. I think it's a huge insult to lesbian women and, for that matter, all women.<br><br>
I have nothing at all against porn, exotic dancing, or regulated (for the health and safety of the workers) prostitution. However, doing the slightest amount of research into the GGW empire will tell you that this is not young women taking ownership of their sexuality and choosing when to express it, but rather, it's the same old song and dance - confused, addled young women trying desperately to gain the approval of men by going further than their hearts tell them to go.
 

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ITA with all the pps who point out the alcohol consumption as a mitigating factor.<br><br>
To get someone drunk is to remove the element consent, of choice. I also agree that they prey on young girls, which just reinforces the point that they are trying to take advantage.<br><br>
If a sober, adult woman wants to use her sexuality for money and does so out of free will, I have no problem with that. But I think GGW is gross and antifeminist.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I agree. What bothers me about Girls Gone Wild is that they don't get paid (to my knowledge). If they were getting paid then I wouldn't care.</div>
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That's right. They do NOT get paid....they get a Girls Gone Wild T-shirt. Yipee. Geez. The guy makes $20 million a year on his video's, you'd think he could at least pay the girls.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I have nothing at all against porn, exotic dancing, or regulated (for the health and safety of the workers) prostitution. However, doing the slightest amount of research into the GGW empire will tell you that this is not young women taking ownership of their sexuality and choosing when to express it, but rather, it's the same old song and dance - confused, addled young women trying desperately to gain the approval of men by going further than their hearts tell them to go.</div>
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I think Joe Francis is disgusting. I think the videos are disgusting and I really wonder about the girls who are "performing."<br><br>
I often wonder WHY these girls do it?<br><br>
Maybe I'm just a middle aged prude with teenage dd's who wants to vomit when thinking of these videos, but I just dont understand it all.....are these girls THAT starved for attention? Do they think it will make them famous? (and why would they want to be famous for that?) Whats the real motivation?<br>
I'll admit to a very wild span of teenage years- actually I am lucky to have lived through some of the situations I voluntarily placed myself in - but doing this kind of stuff would have never crossed my mind.
 
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