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Hey all,<br>
Let me start by saying I'm as pretty anti-vax (when it comes to definition) as they come..due to a vax-injured child quite close to me..before I ever entertained the idea of motherhood..<br>
But this being true..I still have questions and I'm still researching AND I believe it is important for me to able to answer tough questions and be on my toes at all times..well, why?..I am asked this question..I am asked why I have chosen the route I have for dd (when it comes out..which for family and friends I'm outed..but for that secondary circle..I'm more private)..I am on a couple of parents'.."call and ask her" line. I have one friend locally <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> who thinks as I do.<br>
Question 1..Can we historically give any credit to vaccines for eradicating disease?...I do believe that many diseases were "levelling" themselves out and improvements in clean water and living conditions get some credit...but I'm not all the way yet on ALL credit..It parallels, to me, the other side saying all current autism statistics are due to better diagnostic techniques.<br>
Was there ever a time before pharm companies saw $$ signs that the intention was good and benevolent?<br>
Question 2..I've read a couple of posts here recently where moms say they would leave some vax decisions up to babe later in life..if dd or ds had not contracted measles or chicken pox by age...18, let's say..are they a candidate for the benefits outweighing the risks at that time?<br>
any thoughts?<br>
a-l
 

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I'm thinking <i>surely</i> there was.<br>
Maybe still are to some degree. There has to be <i>some</i> researchers out there looking to come up with a HIV vax that are doing so simply because they want to help people.<br>
This is a little OT, but I remember learning in school some wonderful story about the guy that created the Polio vax doing it in desperation trying to save his kids...(or something along those lines...it's been a few years...)<br>
Interestingly, I googled it a week or so ago and couldn't find that story anywhere on the net....<br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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That's the question, isn't it?<br>
Like I said in the other thread, I really do feel confidant that parvo and distemper shots prevent these illnesses in puppies most of the time.<br>
That makes me think polio and smallpox are probably gone as a result of vaxes.<br>
That's the best I can come up with right now... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shrug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shrug">
 

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Here's a good example of a disease on the decline WITHOUT the aid of vaccines, TB in the US...check out the steady decline...<br><br>
1992 26,673<br>
1993 25,287<br>
199424,361<br>
199522.860<br>
199621,337<br>
199719,851<br>
199818,361<br>
199917,531<br>
200016,377<br>
2001 15,989<br>
2002 15.075<br>
2003 14.871<br><br><a href="http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5310a2.htm" target="_blank">http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5310a2.htm</a><br><br>
Amazing, no vaccine to give credit to <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1">
 

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<a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/******/miller15.html" target="_blank">http://www.lewrockwell.com/******/miller15.html</a><br><br>
Just read this article that was sent to me through a homeschool OT yahoogroup. I haven't had time to visit whether the author is for real credible, but it was a great article and made me feel better about me decision to stop vaccinating the boys over a 1 1/2 ago and never to vaccinate my dd.
 

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Wow, Electra...that article was AWSOME!<br>
I can't speak for the credability of the doc that wrote it, but I LOVE LewRockwell.com.<br>
I'm pretty skeptical in general... <i>(ok...paranoid that whoever wrote what might be lying)</i>...but I've never caught a LewRockwell article in a half-truth....<br>
and I've been looking.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">Doctors who conclude that the risks of the government’s immunization schedule outweigh its benefits are placed in a difficult position. If they counsel parents not to have their children follow it, health care plans, which track vaccine compliance as a measure of "quality," will find them wanting. And if their patient should contract and develop complications from the disease the vaccine would have prevented they may find themselves confronting a lawsuit. If a child becomes autistic following a vaccination, however, the doctor is protected from any liability because the government requires it and the child’s parents, if they had chosen to do so, could have obtained an exemption.</td>
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To those that would know, is this the truth?
 

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I'm going to be totally non-scientific here, and just talk about the things I see around me. I do think vaccines work to an extent- for instance, you just don't see chicken pox outbreaks like you used to because, I think, of compulsary vaccination. But I do hear of preschool classes having outbreaks- due to vaccination. But at the same time, I think we will see long term effects of this if people don't get booster shots- more serious chickenpox cases in older patients. I also wonder if we see increases in other diseases because of the lack of nutirition on the usual American diet.<br><br>
I will probably get my children vaccinated when they become teens if they haven't had measles or chicken pox. I may even get them the Hib (okay, that's for the meningitis, right?) when they go to college, though I need to do more research before I can definitively say what I would do. I wonder if they could protect themselves from getting meningitis by keeping their bodily fluids to themselves- I really don't know enough about it right now to say either way on that one. But I believe it's much better to teach out children how to live healthy lifestyles, rather than pump them up with vaccines and antibiotics so they don't have to bother.
 
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