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Is there a way other than kf&b to increase on guessets for longies? No matter how nicely and evenly I do them I always have holey crotches/gussets! I don't want to go back and close them up! I just want to do it and be done with it.
 

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Oh! Idea! Can I just do garter on the crotch portion? Will that help minimize the holey-ness? Or could I just move my increase over? Like k1, kf&b and then do kf&b, k1 at the other end?
 

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I stand by my M1L and M1R increases - I've always had great luck with them and never any holes. The only time I ever use Kfb is if I have to do an increase every round.<br><br>
If you want a good example of how nice they can be - those wool nursing pads I made are done with M1L increases throughout rather than the kfb as the pattern calls for.
 

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I use M1B and M1F (make one front, make one back) and never have a problem with holes. There are great pictures and explanations on knittinghelp.com
 

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I, too, have switched to the M1 matched increases. No more holes at the increases for me.<br><br><br>
However, I still have 2 holes at the points where the legs/crotch meet. That doesn't have anything to do with the increases....but man are they annoying because you <i>have</i> to close them up (and I stink at that <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">).<br><br><br>
So, if anyone has tips for that too, please share <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/loveeyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Loveeyes">:...
 

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So would just moving the increase to the second and second to last stitch not work? I like kf&b and don't realy want to change my increase. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I, too, have switched to the M1 matched increases. No more holes at the increases for me.<br><br><br>
However, I still have 2 holes at the points where the legs/crotch meet. That doesn't have anything to do with the increases....but man are they annoying because you <i>have</i> to close them up (and I stink at that <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">).<br><br><br>
So, if anyone has tips for that too, please share <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/loveeyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Loveeyes">:...</div>
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I agree, I get invisible increases when I use M1 increases - and no holes either.<br><br>
I always have little holes on either side of the gusset where the legs/crotch meet. I just leave an extra long tail when I start on the 2nd leg, then use that to do my kitchener grafting, then take a needle and circle around the "hole" then tighten it like a drawstring. Then I weave over the the other side and do the same thing. Then weave my ends in. Even if I didn't have holes, I'd probably reinforce it anyhow just because kids can be rough on their woolies. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">So would just moving the increase to the second and second to last stitch not work? I like kf&b and don't realy want to change my increase. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"></div>
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I'm not sure what you mean by moving the increase, but if you're happy with KFAB then keep at it. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> I don't like the "bump" that kfab makes though and find it's really noticeable compared to a M1 increase. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Oh! Idea! Can I just do garter on the crotch portion? Will that help minimize the holey-ness? Or could I just move my increase over? Like k1, kf&b and then do kf&b, k1 at the other end?</div>
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Either or even both of these will work. The Perfection Pants pattern suggests garter stitch in the gusset. It's more absorbent, wears longer, and hides the increase bump.
 

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So do I just do garter during my increase rounds and increase according to the drections? I only have the picky pants pattern so while I know I could wing it it'd be nice to *know* for sure. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">So would just moving the increase to the second and second to last stitch not work? I like kf&b and don't realy want to change my increase. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"></div>
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Is ther ea reason you don't want to change your increase? i find the m1l and m1r increases are actually easier than kfb, and they definitely are neather--the blend right in, unlike kfb which leaves a visible bump on the front of your knitting every time.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">So do I just do garter during my increase rounds and increase according to the drections? I only have the picky pants pattern so while I know I could wing it it'd be nice to *know* for sure. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"></div>
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Since you are so attached <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"> (not that I blame you, I'm just as attached to my M1's), I would knit the gusset sts on an increase round and purl them on the next - this is of course assuming that she only has increases every-other round. Frankly, having a big block of garter in the middle of my longies would drive me insane, but I guess it takes all kinds <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngtongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick Out Tongue"><br><br>
Be aware that you'll have to learn how to kitchner garter stitch now, otherwise you'll end up with a noticible seam.
 

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Perfection pants? i think has a garter gusset. I am a Picky Pants gal myself because i am averse to math <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> but my sister does Perfection Pants and the garter gusset actually looks really cute. So it could work <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br><a href="http://squishyknitter.blogspot.com/2007/06/my-one-year-knitting-anniversay.html" target="_blank">If you watch the slideshow in this post, she has two pairs of Perfection Pants with the garter gusset</a>
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Is ther ea reason you don't want to change your increase? i find the m1l and m1r increases are actually easier than kfb, and they definitely are neather--the blend right in, unlike kfb which leaves a visible bump on the front of your knitting every time.</div>
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I dislike M1R/L because I always get a tiny hole no matter how hard I try. I know I am too attentive to detail, but I notice it so it bugs me. Whereas I only get a bar (no hole) when doing kfb increases. However I cannot have a random little bar on my otherwise all stockinette sweater unless it is for the raglan shaping so I am still working on perfecting my M1s.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">So do I just do garter during my increase rounds and increase according to the drections? I only have the picky pants pattern so while I know I could wing it it'd be nice to *know* for sure. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"></div>
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Yep. Well, I think so, I have the original LTK Longies patern and the Perfection Pants, but not the Picky Pants. I assume that the increase are similar enough to work.
 

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Maybe another reason I don't get a hole is that in the perfection pants pattern it suggests a little trick. Once you have all your gusset stitches on dpns for grafting, pick up a stitch from either side of the gusset stitches...right where the leg meets the crotch. So you are picking up 4 more stitches, two from the front and two from the back, and they become part of your crotch and close up the whole as well. This probably helps, no matter what kind of increase you do. Does that make sense? I am bad at describing...
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Maybe another reason I don't get a hole is that in the perfection pants pattern it suggests a little trick. Once you have all your gusset stitches on dpns for grafting, pick up a stitch from either side of the gusset stitches...right where the leg meets the crotch. So you are picking up 4 more stitches, two from the front and two from the back, and they become part of your crotch and close up the whole as well. This probably helps, no matter what kind of increase you do. Does that make sense? I am bad at describing...</div>
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Yeah, that's probably why you don't get holes. I do something similar with socks sometimes to stop the holes that you often get right on the point of the heel gusset.
 

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No, I do that too and still get holes. It's not just at the point where my legs connect to it. It's the whole increase slant and it's really mostly on the left hand side (the second increase). It's a gap between the increase and the next stitch.
 
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