[Danelle78]

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Despite this, a Harris Poll published July 21 found that 50 per cent of U.S. respondents, up from 36 per cent last year, said they believe Iraq did have the forbidden arms when U.S. troops invaded in March 2003.

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazett...66f44f&k=51770

WTF???

 

[mama ganoush]

what do you want to bet that it is the same half of the country that believes george bush is a literate, middle class guy from Texas, when in fact he is an illiterate yankee who just happens to be one of the richest men on the planet?

 

[angelpie545]

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Originally Posted by mama ganoush what do you want to bet that it is the same half of the country that believes george bush is a literate, middle class guy from Texas, when in fact he is an illiterate yankee who just happens to be one of the richest men on the planet?

Oh goodness tell me about it! I can't believe that some Americans still believe that, and believe in WMD. HELLO!

 

[mama ganoush]

i believe, and i am speaking as a pollster here, that this 50% is referred to as the tfm vote.

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[chersolly]

Must be the same people who pay a monthly fee to listen to Rush Limbaugh.

 

[mrzmeg]

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i believe, and i am speaking as a pollster here, that this 50% is referred to as the tfm vote.

I do hope that's the only possible explanation.

 

[Anuska]

Why do you think that it so strange that half of Americans (if the poll is correct) would believe that Iraq still Did Have WMD after l991?

There is still alot of credible information out there that confirms it was definitely a possibility.

Just a couple of links.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/iaea.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/wo...intel_2003.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/li...8/whitepap.htm

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The reality in this case is that after a 16-month, $900-million-plus investigation, the U.S. weapons hunters known as the Iraq Survey Group declared that Iraq had dismantled its chemical, biological and nuclear arms programs in 1991 under UN oversight

Wow, that outta be real proof!!

..and to imply one half of Americans are 'loosing touch" with reality because they don't agree with the UN consensus on this is ludicrous.

 

[mama ganoush]

and iraq was responsible for 911 too, right?

 

[Ruthla]

I thought the WMD's were made by Hostess- isn't there another thread about 50 unique uses for them?

 

[Houdini]

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Originally Posted by chersolly Must be the same people who pay a monthly fee to listen to Rush Limbaugh.

There are people who pay a monthly fee to hear Rush Limbaugh???

I do it for free everyday on the a.m. station.

 

[Unagidon]

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..and to imply one half of Americans are 'losing touch" with reality because they don't agree with the UN consensus on this is ludicrous.

Well, there is something to be said for things like evidence.

I've always said that if we find Elvis, we'll find the WMDs.

 

[Unagidon]

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Originally Posted by Houdini There are people who pay a monthly fee to hear Rush Limbaugh??? I do it for free everyday on the a.m. station.

Even free is too expensive.

 

[kittywitty]

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Originally Posted by Houdini There are people who pay a monthly fee to hear Rush Limbaugh??? I do it for free everyday on the a.m. station.

For laughs, right???

OMG I can't believe ANYONE believes Iraq had WMD when we invaded. In my US Foreign Policy class (the good ol days when I was optimistic about helping the world uh...3 years ago) my professor ripped this fact apart. And he was certainly no flaming liberal.

 

[mama ganoush]

colin powell ripped it apart to the un a couple years before shrub started this mess. said, and i quote "He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors."

 

[Tata]

The WMD are buried deep in the sand. Just like 50% of the heads of the US population.

 

[SirPentor]

Here's a more complete article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14233906/. It includes mention of the fact that there have been some "banned weapons" found, but they were sufficiently degraded so that they are no longer effective.

 

[Anuska]

.....and the rest of the story is.....

The AP Writer Ignores Evidence of Iraq WMD.

http://www.americanthinker.com/artic...rticle_id=5745

 

[mamamelia]

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Originally Posted by Unagidon I've always said that if we find Elvis, we'll find the WMDs.

 

[Thao]

Anuska, this is a classic case of moving the goalposts. Back during the buildup to the invasion of Iraq, when Bush and his administration talked about Iraq having WMD, they were NOT talking about

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The munitions addressed in the report were produced in the 1980s, Maples said. Badly corroded, they could not currently be used as originally intended, Chu added.

(from your link).

They were talking about mushroom clouds and massive chemical attacks and mobile chemical laboratories, remember? THAT is the WMD that convinced the American people to approve the war.

Now granted, your article goes on to say

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"Regardless of (how much material in the weapon is actually chemical agent), any remaining agent is toxic," he said. "Anything above zero (percent agent) would prove to be toxic, and if you were exposed to it long enough, lethal."

so I understand your argument that ANY amount of chemical agents is too much to be in the hands of Saddam Hussein. But be honest, if, back before the war, Bush had said "we believe that Saddam has around 500 badly corroded chemical weapons left over that he might be able to extract the chemical agent from and give to terrorists" instead of talking about mushroom clouds, do you really think that American people would have supported the war?

The fact that the majority of Americans now think the war was a mistake pretty well answers that question. The WMD found do NOT match up with the WMD Bush "promised" us.

 

[RowansDad]

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Originally Posted by Anuska There is still alot of credible information out there that confirms it was definitely a possibility.

Hmmm....

"And the former chief U.N. weapons inspector, and President Bush's former Iraq Survey Group chief, Dr. David Kay, telling COUNTDOWN that Senator Santorum's comments are, quote, "wrong to the facts and exaggerated beyond all reason as to the interpretation of the facts."

"He continued, "There is no surprise that very small numbers of chemical canisters from the Iran-Iraq war have been found. The ISG found them. And in my testimony in 2004, I said that I expected that we would continue to find them for a very long time. These are in very small numbers and are scattered. The nerve agents have long since degraded to the point that they no longer pose any substantial threat. In most cases, the mustard agent has substantially degraded but will burn your skin-burn you," rather, "if skin comes in contact with it."

From:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13504257/

Basically, that means these old WMD's are totally unable to be more than locally dangerous to the surrounding areas.

Let's be very clear. Dubya Inc. peddled nuclear mushroom clouds, mobile chemical labs and flying drones that could launch nerve gas agents to get the public on the war wagon.

I am hoping that Dubya Inc.'s water cariers here at MDC and everywhere else can't be stupid enough to think 2600 U.S. service men and women had to die, more than 18,00 had to be wounded, more than 40,000 Iraqi civillians had to be killed, billions upon billions of dollars (borrowed, that our kids will have to pony up) had to be sunk into a disastrous occupation that pissed away the good will the U.S. had after 9/11 and set up Baghdad and Iraq to be the Beruit and Lebanon of the early 21st century, to make sure Saddam didn't get to use the degraded WMD scattered in buried bunkers. Shit, Saddam didn't even know he had them (see http://www.foreignaffairs.org/200605...e-inside.html)!

Then again, one the Nazi bigwigs, Goebbels I think, had a phrase, something about a big lie being told so often people start believing it. Dubya's water carriers want desperately to believe...still. Sad.