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Ok, started out looking at Children's Hospital...almost good (fairly neutral and factual) till the end... BTW, Children's is the teaching hospital of Harvard Medical School- so then I poked around a bit more.<br><br><a href="http://www.childrenshospital.org/az/Site2185/mainpageS2185P0.html" target="_blank">http://www.childrenshospital.org/az/...geS2185P0.html</a><br><br>
As the baby grows, the foreskin become looser and is able to be retracted (moved back). This may take many weeks or months. Do not retract the foreskin on your baby boy. <b>Your baby's physician will check this as part of your baby's checkups and will show you how to retract the foreskin. This allows cleansing of the area.</b> As a boy grows, he should be taught how to retract the foreskin and clean himself. The foreskin should never be retracted forcibly. Do not allow the foreskin to stay retracted for long periods as this may shut off the blood supply causing pain and possible injury. In some children, the foreskin cannot be retracted causing a condition called phimosis. <b>This condition may require circumcision later in childhood.</b><br><br>
bolded comments are mine for emphasis. Uuugh.<br><br>
On the other hand... another Harvard affiliated site, Mass General sorta makes circumcision care seem quite horrible (about a buried penis... don't worry, this is normal <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">: ) HOwever, the link to the Pro's Con's page was broken, so I don't know what information they have.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">Until your baby is out of diapers and past the chubby stage, his penis may look like it disappears into the surrounding fatty area. This is very normal and no cause for concern. During these months (years) whenever you change his diaper you should push down on the base of the penis to pop it out and clean off any white material that may accumulate (smegma).</td>
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<a href="http://www.massgeneral.org/mghfc/residency/nicu/circumcision_care.htm" target="_blank">http://www.massgeneral.org/mghfc/res...ision_care.htm</a><br>
There other sites are:<br><a href="http://www.massgeneral.org/children/childhealthatoz/articles.aspx?article=pa_circcare_hhg.htm" target="_blank">http://www.massgeneral.org/children/...rccare_hhg.htm</a><br>
and one on pro's cons where the link is broken<br><a href="http://www.massgeneral.org/children/specialtiesandservices/newborn_services/default.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.massgeneral.org/children/...s/default.aspx</a><br>
Oh wait... look look Forskin care and problems:<br><a href="http://www.massgeneral.org/children/childhealthatoz/articles.aspx?article=pa_foreskin_hhg.htm" target="_blank">http://www.massgeneral.org/children/...reskin_hhg.htm</a><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">Gentle, partial retraction can begin when your son is 1 or 2 years old. It can be done once a week during bathing. Perform retraction by gently pulling the skin on the shaft of the penis downward toward the abdomen. This will make the foreskin open up, revealing the end of the glans.</td>
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Goes on to contradict itself:<br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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In general, foreskin retraction is overdone in our society. Keep in mind that any degree of foreskin movement is normal as long as your boy has a normal urine stream. There should be no rush to achieve full retraction. Full retraction always occurs naturally by puberty. As the foreskin becomes retractable on its own, your son should cleanse beneath it to prevent infections.</td>
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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">: <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">: <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">: <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">:<br><br>
I wish I hadn't looked.<br><br>
But you know, stuff like this really shows that we shouldn't be surprised when doctors insist on retracting, etc. etc.<br><br>
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Yes, well we know why Harvard affiliated hospitals would be foreskin unfriendly don't we, the arch enemy of the foreskin Daniel Halperin is based at Harvard. Of course they <i>want</i> to cause pain, damage and infections, gotta get those foreskins off at any cost, and how better to cause the "need" for a circ. The conflicting info is probably there as a legal get out clause.<br><a href="http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/now/20070302/" target="_blank">http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/now/20070302/</a><br><br>
Same at Kaiser Permanente - where Schoen was based.
 

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You'd think Harvard would know better . . . <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:
 

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Well, I got a reply from the webmaster asking what I thought needed to be corrected. I thought they would direct me elsewhere (I'm assuming a techie is doing the website and someone with a medical degree reviews the content) but I'll try to respond and see where it goes.<br><br>
At least the information contradicts what the AAP says, so its not just about the 'debate' its about medical advice that is dangerous and known to be wrong.<br><br>
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You are definitely helping babies by doing this!
 

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The one time we had to go to Children's Hospital the doctor gave us all kinds of inaccurate advice about how much healthier a circ'd penis is. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: I wasn't in the mood to get into a detailed debate (who would be with a 2 week old in the ER, even though thank goodness it was for nothing). But I still feel I want to make some move to educate the CHILDREN'S Hospital of all [email protected]!!)#&*!%
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Yes, well we know why Harvard affiliated hospitals would be foreskin unfriendly don't we, the arch enemy of the foreskin Daniel Halperin is based at Harvard.</div>
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I know someone by this name personally, could it be the same person? You can PM me if you like.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I know someone by this name personally, could it be the same person? You can PM me if you like.</div>
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Here is his photo <a href="http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/now/20070302/" target="_blank">http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/now/20070302/</a> . Is it the person you know?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Yes, well we know why Harvard affiliated hospitals would be foreskin unfriendly don't we, the arch enemy of the foreskin Daniel Halperin is based at Harvard. Of course they <i>want</i> to cause pain, damage and infections, gotta get those foreskins off at any cost, and how better to cause the "need" for a circ. The conflicting info is probably there as a legal get out clause.<br><a href="http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/now/20070302/" target="_blank">http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/now/20070302/</a><br><br>
Same at Kaiser Permanente - where Schoen was based.</div>
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Can you tell me more about Schoen and his work at Kaiser Permanente? That's my healthcare provider now and that has me worried. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/gloomy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Gloomy">:
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Here is his photo <a href="http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/now/20070302/" target="_blank">http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/now/20070302/</a> . Is it the person you know?</div>
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Oh thank goodness no. Thanks for putting my mind at ease though. The one I know is a dad at a playgroup we regularly attend, and since we all live in the Boston/Harvard area I was worried! Whew.<br><br>
- Krista
 
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