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Or do I just need to update my info?<br><br>
Today, 2 friends and I got to talking and one was complaining about Bush and Bush supporters. So, Kerry was brought up and one friend said something about his views. I said I didn't know what his views were, as I wasn't voting for him. They both kinda stared at me and one asked me who I was voting for. (I like envisioning them imagining being friends with a Bush supporter. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/biglaugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="laugh">: ) I replied, "Nader." And, they both looked obviously relieved and said, "Oh."<br><br>
Now, I wonder if Nader's even still running. I don't like to read about or watch the news too much. Is he still in?<br><br>
Maybe I'll try to find his website...
 

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I haven't forgotten... in fact, I've been helping gather signatures to get him on the ballot here in Oklahoma because I don't want to have to vote for the other two. AFAIK though Nader's not on the ballot in any state yet. Can't vote for him if he's not on the ballot! Volunteer in your state by going to <a href="http://www.votenader.org" target="_blank">http://www.votenader.org</a> and choose your state from the drop-down menu to get instructions. The deadlines are now passing in some states and nearing in many others.<br><br>
Incidentally, I thought I'd pass this link on. My mom's sister is LDS and I sent this to her a few weeks ago.<br><br>
Utah Voices: The message of Islam is one of trust, love and tolerance<br><a href="http://www.sltrib.com/2004/Mar/03212004/commenta/149533.asp" target="_blank">http://www.sltrib.com/2004/Mar/03212...nta/149533.asp</a><br><br>
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I always vote for a third party candidate. Usually Libertarian. I just do write-ins for the candidates that aren't on the ballot.<br><br>
What frustrates me is the illogical statement, "If you're not voting FOR Kerry then you're voting for Bush". Doesn't that also mean that if I'm not voting for Bush, then I'm voting for Kerry? So, the two invisible votes cancel each other out. And my third vote (for a third party candidate) actually goes to that candidate (not that it'll do much good).<br>
I definitely prefer, "If you're not voting FOR somebody, then you're against them." As a matter of fact, I'm against both Bush and Kerry. If I wasn't, I'd be voting for one of them! What a concept!
 

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Nope, I know that Nader is running... votin' for him, too! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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Oh, good! I find out most of my news thru Bill Maher's HBO show and he's on vacation or something right now, I think. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngtongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick Out Tongue"><br><br>
Thanks for the link. I'll definately see what I can do.<br><br>
I also do write-ins. Nader wasn't on our ballot last time and I just wrote his name on it. With all the voting mechanism changes occurring, I wonder how possible that will be this time around.
 

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I firmly believe that Nader gave the election to Bush last time. I would not vote for him. In the 4 years that Bush has been in office, Nader has been silent. Where has he been?<br><br>
Sigh...just my rant for today
 

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I haven't forgotten at all. Unfortunately, I think he will help Bush win again. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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Yeah, I'm not really voting for Kerry... I'm voting against Bush AND Nader. Give me a *real* choice and I'll consider it. Why "waste" my vote on Nader? He's not worth it.
 

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I really don't understand the "Bush won b/c of Nader" mentality. We live in a supposed democracy. Nader wanted to run for president, so he did. Being a natural US citizen over the age of 35 gives him that right.<br><br>
I don't see folks saying Bush won b/c of Gore (but if you ask me, that's more technically correct. didn't Gore concede before the final count was in? didn't Gore act like an idiot during his campaign?).<br><br>
Anyway, think how you wanna think, but we live in a supposed democracy. If you don't want to vote for Bush, Nader, or Kerry, vote for yourself. But, stop with the blame-game.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I really don't understand the "Bush won b/c of Nader" mentality. We live in a supposed democracy. Nader wanted to run for president, so he did. Being a natural US citizen over the age of 35 gives him that right.<br><br>
I don't see folks saying Bush won b/c of Gore (but if you ask me, that's more technically correct. didn't Gore concede before the final count was in? didn't Gore act like an idiot during his campaign?).<br><br>
Anyway, think how you wanna think, but we live in a supposed democracy. If you don't want to vote for Bush, Nader, or Kerry, vote for yourself. But, stop with the blame-game.</div>
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Yes, we live in a REPUBLIC (not a democracy) and I think if you KNOW that the candidate you vote for will not win, in this case Nader, then you are giving your vote away. You are saying that "I prefer this canidate's views" But in failing to acknowledge that he can't win you are also tossing your vote away..<br><br>
And yes, Bush won for many reasons, the two biggest are the Supreme Court pushed him in and Gore conceded far too quickly, but I think in swing states where the votes were close, those who voted for Nader instead of Against Bush, allowed Bush to claim that state.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">oh yeah, there is a third candidate, they one that you can throw your vote away on.<br><br>
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I'm writing in Kucinich.
 

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You mean that guy who got Bush elected last time because without him most of his voters would have voted for Gore?
 

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Wow. Are you guys serious?<br><br>
So, if you vote simply to win and Bush still wins, what then?<br><br>
And, I think it's presumptuous to assume that if Nader hadn't been running, his voters would have voted for Gore. I know I certainly wouldn't have. *blech*
 

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I DEF prefer Nadar. I'm probably voting for Kerry though. I can't stand to tell the rest of the world that our country supports what Bush is doing. Even if Kerry is bad, I feel the need to do my part in telling the rest of the world that we are voting Bush out of there. I feel like at this place and time the world needs to see that from the American public. Even though I'd love to see Nadar in office.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Wow. Are you guys serious?<br><br>
So, if you vote simply to win and Bush still wins, what then?<br><br>
And, I think it's presumptuous to assume that if Nader hadn't been running, his voters would have voted for Gore. I know I certainly wouldn't have. *blech*</div>
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That's fair- I've made that assumption to <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/blush.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="blush"> soo... who would you have voted for? If Nadar wasn't running this term who would you be voting for? Just curious really <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Wow. Are you guys serious?<br><br>
So, if you vote simply to win and Bush still wins, what then?<br><br>
And, I think it's presumptuous to assume that if Nader hadn't been running, his voters would have voted for Gore. I know I certainly wouldn't have. *blech*</div>
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Yes, I am serious.<br><br>
While it IS presumptuos to assume that Nader voters would have voted for Gore, is it THAT presumptous to assume that Nader voters didn't want Bush to win either? In that case, it is the lesser of two idiots. It's more that a vote for Nader is a vote AGAINST the leading competetor against Bush. Not that a vote for Nader is a vote for Bush.<br><br>
I don't think Gore would have done that much better, but I definately am upset with Bush's preformance in the White House.<br>
Am I making sense?<br>
I am on a nasty med right now, so I may be babbling.....
 

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If you are not happy with the democratic and republican choices election after election, you should fight to change the style of elections that we have. Until there is proportional representation there will never be a strong, viable third party.<br><br>
That said, I think Nader is a self-serving egomaniac who is going to ruin his entire legacy with his ill advised presidential runs. I don't blame him for giving Bush the White House (we have the Supreme Court to thank for that) but I do hold the people who voted for him partially responsible for the state the country and the world are in today. Say what you want about Al Gore but I think it would be hard to argue that the world (ESPECIALLY THE ENVIRONMENT) would be in the same shape if he had been elected. Nader kept telling everyone that there was no difference between Bush and Gore and that is not only wrong but insulting.
 

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