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So we're in a bind. I've had my job for 2.5 years, DH has had his for 2 months. We need to refinance our house in order to afford me staying at home permanently wiht our DD. In order to do that, I need to go back to work for a few months, just until the loan is completed. Anyway, I found daycare for my DD, with another mom who has a son about her age. Now DH suddenly wants to vax because she'll be around her son after he gets a vaccination and could possibly get exposed to those diseases he is given vaccinations for if she somehow comes in contact with his poop. I am absolutely no expert in this field, but I am not comfortable with DD getting vaxed because she'll be in daycare for 4 or 5 months tops. But I'm also not informed enough about disease risk for unvaxed kids after exposere to a child who was recently vaxed to be completely comfortable with the idea of keeping her unvaxed.<br><br>
So how safe will she be, really? Is my DH jumping the gun? What precautions, if any, should I take?<br><br>
Thanks!
 

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My children are unvaccianted and my dd was in a daycare/preschool setting for over a year.The only thing they caught were diseases there are no vaccines for(yet). I think your dh is jumping the gun. It is very unlikely a one on one situation will lead to your child being ill with VPDs via vaccines.And if playing with poop or playing in the toilet is a possibility then a new sitter is needed <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
Look at it this way: a family has a 5yo and a 1yo,and a newborn. All kids are vaccinated on schedule.Do you think the 1yo was kept away from the 5yo when he got his vaccines? Or the newborn is kept from the older kids? Ofcourse not. They get their shots and life goes on.They don't bother to avoid anyone. I think your dd would be just fine,but ultimately it is up to you guys. Best wishes!!!!!
 

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First of all let me say my son goes to a small home daycare and is not vaxed and I don't consider it an issue at all. But maybe you can address your DH's concerns with some more facts about your specific situation. If the other mom's son is about the same age as your daughter, he is not due for any live vaccine immunizations until at least next July. The live vaccines are MMR and Varicella, and they are not given until after one year of age (typically at 15-18 months). The vaccines that the other boy would be scheduled to receive between now and then are HepB, Prevnar, Hib, polio, and DTaP (and possibly flu). None of those can be spread to another person via feces because they are not live viruses. There is one type of flu vaccine that is a live virus (FluMist) but it is not given to young children (not under 5 I believe).
 

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ditto WakeUpMama..<br><br>
FWIW, dd and ds are not vaccinated. they are in a daycare center full time. I would reather deal with the illnesses than the vax. for the most part, they are healthier than their vaxed counterparts and when they do get sick, they bounce back faster.
 

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Another ditto. My non-vaxed DS isn't in daycare but he does go to preschool with kids as young as 2.5 years old. Some of the children are vaxed (not many ) some are not. The vaxed ones always get sicker, and sicker for longer, than the non-vaxed kids.
 

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So, let me understand this: If the little boy is vaccinated your dd could come in contact with the live virus through him.<br><br>
Correct.<br><br>
And if she is vaccinated herself, she would be less likely to come in contact or what?<br>
Or she would be having the viruses in her blood and thus avoid them from him?<br>
I don't see how that would be better?<br>
Vaccines inject the viruses straight into you dd's blood. For a long time she'll be weakened in fighting them off besides it compromising her immune system for the rest of her life.<br><br>
I would say, it is much better that she comes in contact whith them via a different route than injection.<br>
When viruses enter the body in a natural way, they have to pass all the natural filters that are in place, creating immunity all they way.<br>
By the time the viruses reach the blood they are weakened or dead.<br>
Besides, this way she is also avoiding the heavy metals, preservatives, adjuvants, and foreign proteins.<br><br>
The best way for a child to stay healthy all her life is to maintain an unaltered, natural immune system.
 

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what a GREAT thought!<br>
i think i am going to make this into an affermation to hand on my wall, for when "the vax'ers" get me down
 

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Personally, I believe that vaccines skew the immune system, and may in turn make your child more susceptible to much more than they are protecting her from.<br><br>
Your other concerns seem to have been addressed, I just wanted to add my 2 cents.
 

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Well according to the 'experts' (aka doctors) vaxed children are 'immune' from the disease therefor they can't possibly give it to other children, right? Suuuuuure... (scarcasm). If your DH is mainstream (like my DH) then you might want to bring up the idea that most doctors will say the vaxed children can't spread the disease because they are immune (it MUST be all those crazy unvaxed psyco families). And of course there is plenty of information to support that. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll"> But since I choose to believe the opposite I would feel like that was lieing to my DH. But it is a thought if worse comes to worse. I definitly wouldn't vax, much better to get the 'natural' exposure then the full on dose of the vax IMHO.<br><br>
On a side note I thought only oral live viruses (aka Polia) were infectious in feces, which they don't give anymore. Am I mistaken? I thought that a child couldn't pass on the disease unless they actually came down with the disease, not from exposure to infected feces. Not that it would make a difference because I sure hope my son won't be playing in anyones poop any time soon <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"> but I try and be informed.
 

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Polio is no longer given as an oral (live) virus in the US, although it is still given that way in other parts of the world.<br><br>
The MMR vaccine contains live viruses and it is possible for the virus to be transmitted via feces.<br><br>
The chicken pox vaccine contains live virus and in addition to being shed through feces, some children come down with a mild version and have actual blisters, which also shed virus to others.<br><br>
So it is a legitimate concern to not want your child (vaxed or unvaxed) to be exposed to children recently vaxed for MMR or chicken pox. But what can you really do? There is no public health policy of isolating children after immunizations. They go to schools, daycares, playgrounds, shopping centers, etc. and no one gives it a second thought. And interestingly, you don't see many outbreaks of measles in, say, daycares where all the under-2's are kept together. One could assume there is quite frequently exposure of recently-vaccinated 15-18 month olds to younger not-yet-vaccinated tots in that type of setting. There have been some outbreaks, sure, but it's not very frequent (and always blamed on the unvaxed child <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll"> )<br><br>
In any case, most of us who reject vaccines have come to the decision that acquiring one of the so-called vaccine-preventable diseases is not something to be afraid of, but rather an opportunity to strengthen the immune system.
 

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Oh, I definitly agree with not being 'afraid' of the diseases but my concern was more of getting the disease at too young of an age if it could have been prevented. I started taking my son to a breastfeeding support group at about 1 month and within the next 3 months at least 4 of the kids there had the CP vax (not sure about MMR). Now that DS is older it isn't as much of a concern but at 1 month with CP or measles, not something I want to deal with. Of course at 1 month I was still in the dark about vaxes but it is nice to know for the next child if the same situation arises.<br><br>
And I always try and be informed as much as possible, though I still have a heck of a long way to go.
 

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I just wanted ro mention something that I haven't seen brought up yet - Even if you do decide to bring your DS up to date on all his shots, it won't protect him from the only VPDs that he might possibly catch from a recently immunized child. MMR and CP are the only ones that still use live virus and neither of them are given until after 12 months. If your DS is only going to be in daycare for a few months, he'll still be too young to get those shots even after you take him out. That would be the easiest way to explain this to my husband.
 

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Very good point. Your son is 5 months? Expsure wouldn't be helped at all by getting the vaxes. Glad you mentioned that Richelle!
 

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Well, tell him that she won't be there long enough to be fully vaxed, thus won't really be immune anyway, so it's pointless.<br><br>
If it'll make him feel better.....I have a home daycare and my children aren't vaxed <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> And they've never caught anything from a newly vaxed kid. Daycares are required to follow basic sanitation laws, make sure that sanitation is a priority to your child care provider and you'll be fine.<br><br>
-Heather
 
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