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We're casein free, and I anticipate that staying so is going to happen for at least a few more years, based on our test results.<br><br>
I've got a 2yo and a 4yo with decay, as well as myself. What can I do to assist with the healing when we can't take butter oil or raw dairy? What can replace that?
 

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thanks for asking this question! This is the info I'm looking for as well. All of this dental/cavity/decay info is a bit overwhelming....
 

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I guess as much saturated fat as you can.<br><br>
I just read this recently in Sally Fallon's "Nourishing Traditions."<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">The practice of fermenting or souring milk is found in almost all traditional groups that keep herds. This process partially breaks down lactose and predigests casein. The end products, such as yoghurt, kefir and clabber, are often well tolderated by adults who cannot drink fresh milk. Bitter and cream contain little lactose or casein and are usually well tolderated in their natural state, even by those who are lactose intolerant....<br><br>
Cheeses made from raw milk contain a full complement of enzymes and are therefore more easily digested than cheeses made from pasteruized milk...<br><br>
Fermentation breaks down casein...culturing restores many of the enzymes destroyed during pasteurization...</td>
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Thanks, Lea, but unfortunately, I react violently to even trace amounts of dairy, fermented or not. It knocks me flat on my tail for 6 weeks.
 

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IMO dairy is not essential for dental healing. High amounts of vegetables along with a nutrient-dense WAPF diet (minus the dairy of course) is. I am currently dairy free although when I was actively remineralizing I ate some. But dairy does bad things to my nose so I no longer eat it, and instead focus on getting more organ meats into me.<br><br>
I posted my story and recommendations on this thread (post #3 and #5).<br><a href="http://mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=419877" target="_blank">http://mothering.com/discussions/sho...d.php?t=419877</a><br><br>
After reading the last issue of Wise Traditions though, I'd also recommend trying to get in as many sources of vitamin K2 as possible along with CLO, possibly even a K2 supplement if you're worried about getting enough to remineralize.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">We're casein free, and I anticipate that staying so is going to happen for at least a few more years, based on our test results.<br><br>
I've got a 2yo and a 4yo with decay, as well as myself. What can I do to assist with the healing when we can't take butter oil or raw dairy? What can replace that?</div>
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Hi,<br><br>
Here's the answer.<br><br>
Butterfat contains what Weston Price called, Activator X, which has been recently identified as a form of vitamin K2 called MK-4. Butterfat, when the cows eat rapidly growing grass is the highest source on the planet for Activator X. Butter oil, should not have any casein because the oil is centrifuged to remove the milk proteins. However, hypothetically there could be trace amounts. You can also make clarified butter at home with a high vitamin butter (yellow or deep yellow), and have limited to know milk protein in the butter.<br><br>
Since activator X in relatively substantial amounts is the best way to help heal and protect teeth, that is why butter fat is recommended. There is one other known source, as well as two other possible sources. Fish eggs, for sure, and very likely the organs, that is the goo, in crab and lobsters. It is definitely in the stomach lining of an animal that eats rapidly growing green grass and probably in many of the organs of this same animal. The problem in obtaining the Activator X from animal organs is in obtaining an animal that was slaughtered during the peak time after eating the rapidly growing grass. This could be chicken, duck, pork, or beef, I believe, although nobody has tested for sure yet whether all of these animals contain it in large enough amounts to prevent tooth decay and in which organs contain the most.<br><br>
To review, you and your child should eat fish eggs daily to be safe. Since fish eggs are less potent than butter, it is hard to know the exact daily dosage for children and adults. Here's one source. <a href="http://livesuperfoods.com/LOK007.html" target="_blank">http://livesuperfoods.com/LOK007.html</a><br><br>
You probably won't like the taste, I have dried salmon eggs at home. I powder them up and then mix them with some kind of oil, works good as a salad dressing. Also you can put them into the bone broths or vegetable soups. You can also get fish eggs when the fish are in certain seasons, but it is difficult to find a fish merchant who actually removes the eggs. I drive 50 miles in the summer time to find the fish merchant who has fish eggs and hardly anybody else buys them. Other fish have eggs during different times of the year.<br><br>
A possible untested alternative, would be to eat the tomalley or mustard of crab and lobster almost daily. This works really well in my opinion on the teeth.<br><br>
And if you are lucky you can find the organs of an animal when it was eating the rapidly growing grass.<br><br>
In addition you want to eat almost daily grass fed bone marrow, raw or fermented fish, and bone broths, particularly fish broth as well as grass fed liver or cod liver oil. Also try raw oysters and/or clams.<br><br>
You also need calcium to help build the bones and teeth.<br><br>
Sardines with the bones, or other smoked fishes with bones, lots of green leafy vegetables, or bone broths made by soaking the bones in vinegar first should have some calcium. You may also need a calcium supplement, which I am not an expert in, these can include oyster shells, bone meal, egg shells, and also herbs and certain types of barks and stems. Dolomite powder is supposed to be good but I have never tried it.<br><br>
good luck,<br>
Rami
 

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Rami,<br><br>
Thank you for the answer. Last time I tried ghee, I reacted to it even though it was certified casein free, so I've stayed away from it for months now.<br><br>
I'm wondering if a K2 supplement would also help?
 

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Natto has K2 but it is MK-7 which is different than the form in animal products. Masterjohn's article said there wasn't enough info. to know yet though I think...<br><br>
Jarrow has MK-7 supplements which is from fermented soybeans.
 
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