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Mods, I'm not sure if I am inthe right place, feel free to move. DP and I are noticing some behaviors in DD (age 3 1/2). We first thought that she is simply very active and spirited and have been doing our best to keep up with her. Be that as it may, in the last several months we have been observing behaviors that seem to go beyond "active and spirited".

Aggression, extreme defiance, impulsiveness, inability to be still, even for a moment, climbing, swinging jumping on everything, everywhere, Grocery stores, restaurants, constently moving. This is no understatement. It appears as though she can't help any of this. I have done some research on ADHD spectrum disorders.

Too soon to tell for AD, but for HD, well, were there. DP was also diagnosed with ADHD, though as an adult. He manages it through life-style ands diet. We eat 100% organic, vegetarian and whole food diet. No additives, colors or chemicals. We are an AP family that does not wish to medicate children.

My research has revealed that LEAD toxicity is a factor in Hyperactivity. There are so many testing kits/chelation therapies out there. Does anyone have any suggestions as to where to start for medication-free heavy metal testing and detox?
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http://mothering.com/discussions/sho...435848&page=30

There's a thread in Dental called Chelating Mamas. It is somewhat focused on mercury, since most of us there (and our kids) are having issues due to the mercury in our amalgam fillings, but there's discussion of hair testing, specifically through a company called Doctor's Data, and interpreted a specific way (to look for mercury, looking for other heavy metals like lead is a lot more straightforward) explained by Andy Cutler who wrote a book on mercury toxicity. The page I linked has an explanation of how to interpret the hair test, and I hope a description of how to order (if you don't have a doc who does hair tests from Doctor's Data, you can call Direct Laboratory Services, ask for the Hair Elements test, NOT the Toxic Hair Exposure Profile).

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ANDY_INDEX.html

This discusses mostly mercury, but there's some discussion of lead and other metals as well, so it may be a place to start reading.

My understanding is that blood tests for lead will show current exposure, and if that's what you suspect then you'd want to do that to see if you've got current exposure and eliminate that, but if you've got past exposure that's causing symptoms now, then a hair test would be more appropriate. There's also a big thread here in H&H on Lead, and I think another in Life With a Babe that discuss blood tests and remediation and all sorts of stuff like that. I'm not very knowledgeable there, our issue is mercury (with a bit of arsenic).
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Yes, good info from TanyaLopez.
There's also a yahoo chelation group that you could join and ask specific questions:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...ose-chelation/

Good luck.
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And I was just going to suggest that she sounds like a normal almost 4 yo?
i know this will go over like a fart in church, but i always think it's best to look at both sides of things

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4055

Mercury, Autism, and Chelation: A Recipe for Risk

Today we're going to examine yet another case where people are willing to put their own and their children's lives at risk in order to embrace popular pseudoscience. It seems that more and more, people are increasingly concerned with joining a politically correct fad when it offers a simpler explanation than medical fact. In this case, parents of autistic children have, in the absence of a medical cure for their child's condition, turned to alternative medicine and put their children at greater risk by avoiding crucial vaccinations or even causing direct injury with chelation.

In Skeptoid episode #36 about amalgam dental fillings, I was widely criticized for mentioning chelation therapy as a valid treatment to remove heavy metals from the body. What I said was misinterpreted as support for the popular misuse of chelation, when it's used for non-existent contamination or for so-called "cleansing". Real chelation therapy is used medically, though rarely, because there is such a thing as real heavy metal contamination that is dangerous. It usually happens occupationally to people who work with heavy elements and are involved in accidents. Medical chelation takes years and is, at best, only partially successful; and carries plenty risk of its own. Kidney damage is among the most common side effects. Chelation therapy in popular alternative medicine, however, brings only the risk and no possible benefit to the recipient.

So how did we get to a point where wrongly informed parents are turning to chelation to treat their autistic children? It's not all that surprising. Many of the indications of autism first become apparent in children at approximately the same age as vaccinations are given. It naturally follows that some people will thus draw an (invalid) causal relationship. Because they happened about the same time, one must have caused the other. This is the same logic flaw that leads Oprah guests to proclaim their cancer was cured by some alternative therapy. Of those lucky few individuals whose cancer spontaneously went into remission, many were probably taking some random alternative therapy at the time; and because the remission occurred about the same time as the therapy, they assumed a causal relationship, when in fact none exists.

No parent wants to see anything bad happen to their child. When it does, it's natural to seek some outside cause, someone or something to blame, something that can be attacked and fought back. Popular media has spread the notion that mercury from vaccination causes autism, and this makes a perfect scapegoat. Something to blame, something to fight, some way to protect the child. An easy answer. A clear answer. A chance. Something more tangible than the doctor's vague explanation of the complex causes of autism, and its tragic incurability. It's the perfect opiate for the psychologically tormented parent.

But it does have its costs. In Pennsylvania, the parents of Abubakar Tariq Nadama, a 5-year-old autistic child killed by chelation therapy in 2005, are suing the individuals and companies involved for wrongful death and lack of informed consent. He was being treated with EDTA, which is approved by the FDA for use only after blood tests confirm acute heavy-metal poisoning. The child's blood tests did not reveal any such poisoning. Howard Carpenter, executive director of the Advisory Board on Autism-Related Disorders, said "It was just a matter of time before something like this would happen." Gary Swanson, a psychiatrist who works with autistic children, said "I can't sit there and endorse it as a viable treatment. It's not something published in peer review journals and studies. It's probably a quack kind of medicine."

As previously mentioned, the exact causes for all the various forms of autism are complicated and are not 100% understood, but that doesn't mean that nothing is known or that non-evidence-based alternative therapy might be useful. One of the factors that is known is that heredity is present in 90% of autism cases. It's largely genetic, not environmental. Studies have determined that a few agents such as thalidomide, when present during the first 8 weeks of gestation, can cause the same chromosomal damage found in autism. No rigorous scientific evidence has ever been found that indicates autism can otherwise be caused environmentally, which eliminates all the pop-culture supposed causes like vaccination, food allergies, or mercury poisoning.

Moreover, a 2007 study by Williams, Hersh, Allard, and Sears published in Research in Autism Spectrum Disorders found no significant difference in the levels of mercury found in hair samples between autistic children and their non-autistic siblings. Siblings were used for this study to eliminate other environmental variables as factors. Consumer Health Digest concludes "Autism has no plausible association with mercury toxicity or other heavy metal exposure."

Proponents of the alleged link between vaccines and autism charge that vaccines contain mercury, which in large enough doses, kills cells and causes neurological damage. What some vaccines contain is actually not plain mercury, but the preservative thimerosal. Thimerosal's main active ingredient is an organic version of mercury called ethylmercury. Ethylmercury is naturally expelled from the body quickly. Methylmercury, on the other hand, is not. It stays in the body. High doses of methylmercury will cause physiological damage. However, ethylmercury and methylmercury are not the same thing, despite the similar names. Methylmercury is not present in thimerosal. In short, vaccines preserved with thimerosal do not even contain the type of mercury that activists say is dangerous. And even if they did, the amount would be too small to be considered a risk.

It doesn't help that this misinformation is spread by celebrity activists like Robert Kennedy Jr., whose only medical experience comes from carefully making lines of cocaine with a razor blade. Kennedy wrote an article for Rolling Stone magazine in 2005 charging that the government knows that vaccines cause autism and is actively covering it up. I wonder what young Abubakar's parents think of Kennedy's contribution to pop-culture. The online version of Kennedy's article is followed by five paragraphs of corrections and clarifications, among them pointing out that he misstated the amount of ethylmercury received by infants at six months of age, by a factor of 133 times the actual amount. His article is bursting at the seams with flawed logic and irrelevant comparisons, such as this one: "infants routinely received three inoculations that contained a total of 62.5 micrograms of ethylmercury -- a level 99 times greater than the EPA's limit for daily exposure to methylmercury." It's OK though, Robert, people don't read too closely.

Rates of vaccination have not been increasing, so why the reported skyrocketing rates of autism diagnoses? An increasingly broad array of conditions being called autism is part of the reason. Autism is not necessarily a single, well-defined disorder. There are five main Autism Spectrum Disorders, including but not limited to Asperger syndrome, Rett syndrome, various childhood disintegrative disorders, and pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified, or PDD-NOS. As more of these are broadly called "autism", obviously the rates of autism rise substantially. Between 1987 and 1998, the number of patients classified as autistic rose 273 percent.

If thimerosal were a cause of autism, then wouldn't its removal from vaccines curb the rising rates of diagnosis? Well, obviously, yes it would. But it didn't. The FDA removed thimerosal from childhood vaccines in the US in 1997, as a precautionary measure, partly in response to all the anti-vaccine activism. Autism diagnoses continued to rise unabated. Denmark and Sweden eliminated thimerosal five years earlier. Their rates also continued to climb.

Let's repeat that, since apparently it's not clear to Kennedy and the other activists still warning against vaccination. Ethylmercury-containing thimerosal was removed from childhood vaccines in 1997. Vaccination will not result in mercury poisoning.

Vaccinations save more lives worldwide than any other medical advance in history. Thanks to vaccination, children around the world are now safe from hepatitis A and B, polio, smallpox, measles, rubella, diphtheria, tetanus, rotavirus, mumps, typhoid, and many more. Giving up all of these immunities, due only to an unfounded fear of a compound that's no longer used and was demonstrated safe in every rigorous study ever done, is hardly the best way to serve your child. Exposing an already-vaccinated child to the dangers of chelation in a misguided effort to remove undetected poisons is just as bad. Vaccinate your children. Don't put them or yourself through the risks of chelation therapy, unless of course your job at Three-Mile Island was to drink all the leaked cooling water.
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Catubodua, talking about safety and risk vs benefit is an important part of this, I agree wholeheartedly. And getting into the nitty-gritty of what is chelation, what are the (many) different ways to chelate, what are the risks vs benefits of each, that's a huge responsiblity for a parent. I wouldn't want anyone to gloss over that.

It was easy for me to decide to chelate myself, and the frequent, low-dose oral chelation approach seems the safest to me, but even then, deciding for the kids was a lot tougher. Probably one of the hardest decisions I've ever made, so it really is important to look into the choices, and the risks of choosing something, and the risks of _not_ choosing something. Given the health problems I have had, and by now the significant improvements I've seen, by getting my amalgams out and chelating, for my kids I feel the risks of leaving the metals in outweigh the risks of getting them out via oral chelation. But it's a serious, weighty decision to make, definitely.
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And I was just going to suggest that she sounds like a normal almost 4 yo?
Three to four hours of screaming, hitting, kicking, fighting EVERY DAY to get dressed. Same Behavior for leaving the house, or not getting what she wants. Can not hold her body still, for anything. Can not sit through a meal, or a picture book. Does not sleep through the night. Gets up at 1 or AM and stays up through the rest of the night and day several times a week. Inability to complete or focus on a task no matter how small. I know other 3/4 year olds. They don't suffer like this.
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i know this will go over like a fart in church, but i always think it's best to look at both sides of things

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4055

Mercury, Autism, and Chelation: A Recipe for Risk

Today we're going to examine yet another case where people are willing to put their own and their children's lives at risk in order to embrace popular pseudoscience. It seems that more and more, people are increasingly concerned with joining a politically correct fad when it offers a simpler explanation than medical fact. In this case, parents of autistic children have, in the absence of a medical cure for their child's condition, turned to alternative medicine and put their children at greater risk by avoiding crucial vaccinations or even causing direct injury with chelation.

In Skeptoid episode #36 about amalgam dental fillings, I was widely criticized for mentioning chelation therapy as a valid treatment to remove heavy metals from the body. What I said was misinterpreted as support for the popular misuse of chelation, when it's used for non-existent contamination or for so-called "cleansing". Real chelation therapy is used medically, though rarely, because there is such a thing as real heavy metal contamination that is dangerous. It usually happens occupationally to people who work with heavy elements and are involved in accidents. Medical chelation takes years and is, at best, only partially successful; and carries plenty risk of its own. Kidney damage is among the most common side effects. Chelation therapy in popular alternative medicine, however, brings only the risk and no possible benefit to the recipient.

So how did we get to a point where wrongly informed parents are turning to chelation to treat their autistic children? It's not all that surprising. Many of the indications of autism first become apparent in children at approximately the same age as vaccinations are given. It naturally follows that some people will thus draw an (invalid) causal relationship. Because they happened about the same time, one must have caused the other. This is the same logic flaw that leads Oprah guests to proclaim their cancer was cured by some alternative therapy. Of those lucky few individuals whose cancer spontaneously went into remission, many were probably taking some random alternative therapy at the time; and because the remission occurred about the same time as the therapy, they assumed a causal relationship, when in fact none exists.

No parent wants to see anything bad happen to their child. When it does, it's natural to seek some outside cause, someone or something to blame, something that can be attacked and fought back. Popular media has spread the notion that mercury from vaccination causes autism, and this makes a perfect scapegoat. Something to blame, something to fight, some way to protect the child. An easy answer. A clear answer. A chance. Something more tangible than the doctor's vague explanation of the complex causes of autism, and its tragic incurability. It's the perfect opiate for the psychologically tormented parent.

But it does have its costs. In Pennsylvania, the parents of Abubakar Tariq Nadama, a 5-year-old autistic child killed by chelation therapy in 2005, are suing the individuals and companies involved for wrongful death and lack of informed consent. He was being treated with EDTA, which is approved by the FDA for use only after blood tests confirm acute heavy-metal poisoning. The child's blood tests did not reveal any such poisoning. Howard Carpenter, executive director of the Advisory Board on Autism-Related Disorders, said "It was just a matter of time before something like this would happen." Gary Swanson, a psychiatrist who works with autistic children, said "I can't sit there and endorse it as a viable treatment. It's not something published in peer review journals and studies. It's probably a quack kind of medicine."

As previously mentioned, the exact causes for all the various forms of autism are complicated and are not 100% understood, but that doesn't mean that nothing is known or that non-evidence-based alternative therapy might be useful. One of the factors that is known is that heredity is present in 90% of autism cases. It's largely genetic, not environmental. Studies have determined that a few agents such as thalidomide, when present during the first 8 weeks of gestation, can cause the same chromosomal damage found in autism. No rigorous scientific evidence has ever been found that indicates autism can otherwise be caused environmentally, which eliminates all the pop-culture supposed causes like vaccination, food allergies, or mercury poisoning.

Moreover, a 2007 study by Williams, Hersh, Allard, and Sears published in Research in Autism Spectrum Disorders found no significant difference in the levels of mercury found in hair samples between autistic children and their non-autistic siblings. Siblings were used for this study to eliminate other environmental variables as factors. Consumer Health Digest concludes "Autism has no plausible association with mercury toxicity or other heavy metal exposure."

Proponents of the alleged link between vaccines and autism charge that vaccines contain mercury, which in large enough doses, kills cells and causes neurological damage. What some vaccines contain is actually not plain mercury, but the preservative thimerosal. Thimerosal's main active ingredient is an organic version of mercury called ethylmercury. Ethylmercury is naturally expelled from the body quickly. Methylmercury, on the other hand, is not. It stays in the body. High doses of methylmercury will cause physiological damage. However, ethylmercury and methylmercury are not the same thing, despite the similar names. Methylmercury is not present in thimerosal. In short, vaccines preserved with thimerosal do not even contain the type of mercury that activists say is dangerous. And even if they did, the amount would be too small to be considered a risk.

It doesn't help that this misinformation is spread by celebrity activists like Robert Kennedy Jr., whose only medical experience comes from carefully making lines of cocaine with a razor blade. Kennedy wrote an article for Rolling Stone magazine in 2005 charging that the government knows that vaccines cause autism and is actively covering it up. I wonder what young Abubakar's parents think of Kennedy's contribution to pop-culture. The online version of Kennedy's article is followed by five paragraphs of corrections and clarifications, among them pointing out that he misstated the amount of ethylmercury received by infants at six months of age, by a factor of 133 times the actual amount. His article is bursting at the seams with flawed logic and irrelevant comparisons, such as this one: "infants routinely received three inoculations that contained a total of 62.5 micrograms of ethylmercury -- a level 99 times greater than the EPA's limit for daily exposure to methylmercury." It's OK though, Robert, people don't read too closely.

Rates of vaccination have not been increasing, so why the reported skyrocketing rates of autism diagnoses? An increasingly broad array of conditions being called autism is part of the reason. Autism is not necessarily a single, well-defined disorder. There are five main Autism Spectrum Disorders, including but not limited to Asperger syndrome, Rett syndrome, various childhood disintegrative disorders, and pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified, or PDD-NOS. As more of these are broadly called "autism", obviously the rates of autism rise substantially. Between 1987 and 1998, the number of patients classified as autistic rose 273 percent.

If thimerosal were a cause of autism, then wouldn't its removal from vaccines curb the rising rates of diagnosis? Well, obviously, yes it would. But it didn't. The FDA removed thimerosal from childhood vaccines in the US in 1997, as a precautionary measure, partly in response to all the anti-vaccine activism. Autism diagnoses continued to rise unabated. Denmark and Sweden eliminated thimerosal five years earlier. Their rates also continued to climb.

Let's repeat that, since apparently it's not clear to Kennedy and the other activists still warning against vaccination. Ethylmercury-containing thimerosal was removed from childhood vaccines in 1997. Vaccination will not result in mercury poisoning.

Vaccinations save more lives worldwide than any other medical advance in history. Thanks to vaccination, children around the world are now safe from hepatitis A and B, polio, smallpox, measles, rubella, diphtheria, tetanus, rotavirus, mumps, typhoid, and many more. Giving up all of these immunities, due only to an unfounded fear of a compound that's no longer used and was demonstrated safe in every rigorous study ever done, is hardly the best way to serve your child. Exposing an already-vaccinated child to the dangers of chelation in a misguided effort to remove undetected poisons is just as bad. Vaccinate your children. Don't put them or yourself through the risks of chelation therapy, unless of course your job at Three-Mile Island was to drink all the leaked cooling water.
Yup. Lead Balloon.
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Thanks for the info Mamas. Much research lies ahead...
Dairy, corn-especially GMO-corn (which is 80% of the food supply unless speicifically identified as organic), and wheat all have hyperactivity associated with them, in our house.

Dairy has more aggression and sensory seeking, usually within an hour after consuming and lasts for 1-6 hours depending upon quantity. Raw dairy is not an issue for us. Organic corn is not an issue for us. But, many kids go wild due to corn intolerance- again within an hour, lasts 1-6 hours. Wheat, mostly we have restlessness and night wakening, unless it is soaked whole grain, homemade flour then no issues. There is a cumulative effect too. Small doses don't create quite the observable overload.

A sensory diet helps for our sensory seeking son. Check this old thread of mine for sensory activities: http://www.mothering.com/discussions...t#post12760401 Proactively meeting ds's sensory seeking needs helps.

I believe you can do a lot to help the digestion, absorption and detox pathways for gut healing which will address many of the behaviors.

Start here about detox pathways: http://heal-thyself.ning.com/forum/t...bstacle-course

And here are a few informal videos about detox pathways: http://heal-thyself.ning.com/video/video

and here about evaluating digestion and stomach acid (beet "pink pee" test"): http://heal-thyself.ning.com/forum/topics/the-beet-test

This thread about Healing the Gut with Food: http://heal-thyself.ning.com/forum/t...-gut-with-food

Nutrient Dense Foods: http://heal-thyself.ning.com/forum/t...nt-dense-foods

Foods to Help Phase I and Phase II Detoxification:
http://heal-thyself.ning.com/forum/t...4160Comment655

check out www.eatingcultures.com to try and guess on some of your detox pathways, and figure out which nutrients will be important for you all.

Btw, do you have mercury fillings in your teeth?

Pat
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And I was just going to suggest that she sounds like a normal almost 4 yo?
No she doesn't.
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DEFINITELY go to a holistic chiropractor. They have hair follicle kits that they can do (ours were $35 a piece) on your children and test their metal levels and mineral levels in their bodies. If you find something is off-kilter, you can go on to do urine and/or blood tests.
The hair follicle tests can detect high metal levels for up to a year past, provided the hair is long enough. They just take little snippets of hair from the underneath side and you have results in about 2 weeks.
Recommended!

Catubodua... you don't think that vaccinations have increased?! We got 10 in 1989. In 1990, we got 36. Look at the autism numbers between the 80's and 90's and tell me there's no positive correlation! Keep in mind that we vaccinate for chicken pox (soooo "crucial", right?) and a flu vaccine that has a 1% chance of working every year and still contains mercury.
If you compare the deaths from chelation to the deaths from vaccines, I think the answer speaks for itself.
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Catubodua... you don't think that vaccinations have increased?!
i never said that, please don't put words in my mouth. also, i clearly was quoting an article i didn't write - i posted the link for everyone to go to if they wished to investigate further.

and, the quote is:

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Rates of vaccination have not been increasing,
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Thanks for the info. I wasn't aware that Chiropractors offered hair sample kits. I will check it out. I have also been reading that Magnesium depletion is a factor for hyperactivity. We are vegetarian, so magnesium depletion is a possibility.

I have started to supplement an ionic (easily absorbable) form of magnesium, for children. Also, I am reading about Gluten free/Cassin free diets having a big impact on ADHD/Autism spectrum disorders. Does anyone know more or has anyone tried it?

I have started a journal to track her supplementation, diet and symptoms and emotional/psychological stimuli on a given day. We are not going to put her in Public School, so we will catch a break there, as far as the "no medication" route goes.....
We're gfcf, I think the best places to get ideas on the board are either Special Needs, they're particularly good with ideas that are easy to implement with picky eaters, and Allergies, folks there have had to cut out all sorts of different foods and have found good ways to still eat and heal. And they're great about linking subtle symptoms to foods.

My son has sensory-seeking behaviors, and I've seen them get worse when we get gluten (as far as I know, we haven't gotten traces of casein, I've found gluten to be more challenging). And it's been important for my health too, but different stuff--mostly fatigue related. It took quite a while to see a change when we started gfcf (I felt better in 1.5 days, but my son took about 3 months to see anything), so that's a pretty wide range.

Have you read Kenneth Bock's book? Healing the New Childhood Epidemics: Autism, ADHD, Asthma and Allergies, he links these as different manifestations, depending on what a person is prone to, to detoxification problems, toxic load, gut health, all those interrelated things. The one thing he doesn't discuss much, but I guess it makes sense since I think parents are often blamed for their kids' issues, is the part that maternal toxic load, passed to the kids, plays in all this. He talks about vaccination a lot, but only alludes to mom's issues coming into play.

As vegetarians, you probably get more magnesium than most, but it's still hard to get enough from diet, and some of us start out as adults deficient, so our kids are too (lots of minerals, in our case). I know I supplement my kids (but I supplement lots of stuff).
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Thanks for the ideas Tanya. We just started GFCF last week. My intension is to give it six months. We do allot of supplementation too. My partner and I work in a co-op, so I have access to trainings and knowledge that I wouldn't otherwise have. The book you mentioned, I have on reserve at our library, as well as many others

What were some of the changes you first noticed in your son? Since we got started she seems to be pooping allot (excuse my bluntness). I am hoping that her body is processing and excreting the stores of gluten and casein. Much thanks Mama.
Tara,
A diet that I see more often recommended for hyperactivity is feingold and failsafe. You might look into those too if gf/cf doesn't seem to make a dramatic difference. It didn't matter with my spectrum son (we did it 100% for over 2 years). But for some kids it certainly is a big part of the puzzle.

If you are concerned about lead I would get a blood lead level personally. You would then know if it is current/ongoing and if so how bad the situation is. If you eliminate it in her body but she's still be exposed you aren't fixing anything. Other metals..you do have to weigh the pros and cons and do your research on that.

Zinc is something sometimes low in hyperactive kids too. We use optizinc for my son as it's well absorbed without being affected by phytates in grains. You might check ferritin levels as well to make sure she isn't iron deficient.

Hydroxy-b12 is a good supplement to use and is getting a lot of recommendation in the autism/adhd circles now. Gaba can be calming. Magnesium too as I see you know.

I like metametrix labs for looking for underlying issues.
Sensory integration is well worth looking into. I'd wonder if she doesn't have something going on there based on your description.

The nurtured heart approach (All Children Flourishing is the book to get--his new one as it has changed and this one is well written) by Glasser might be really helpful in dealing with her behavior issues while you address any underlying biomedical things.
Just some things that helped us!
Oh, her age is a tough one even for typical kids. It can be horrific with kids with regulation issues.
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Sbgrace, Thanks for all the info on both threads. I have Glasser's first book on the way from Amazon. We are already on the Feingold diet, I think. We have eaten an organic diet without color additives and preservatives (or anything else artificial for that matter) ever since I got pregnant with her, and were definatly moving in that direction for some time before then. I don't allow relatives to feed her anything artifcial or inorganic either. Her father runs an all organic vegitarian deli, so when we eat out, it's usually there. I checked out the Feingold Diet website. Is there more to it than what I am finding thus far? Much thanks for all of you links, suggestions, insights and support Mamas. Right now, I don't know what I would do without you!!

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My DS, though not ADHD, has definite mood problems from foods. Eggs cause uncontrollable crying the next day. Dairy makes him scream during the night and wet the bed. Soy gives him tantrums for 7-10 days following exposure. Etc. The top 4 intolerances are dairy, gluten, soy, and corn (I have recently been reading that there was a connection with corn and the autistic child along with the GFCF, but I can't remember where; might have been dogtorj.net). And I just read "The Magnesium Connection" which was very good. And if your DP has issues that are controlled by diet, then it's not a big surprise (at least for me) that your DD may have similar issues. Giving the diet time, and keeping a really detailed food journal are great ideas too, while you're exploring the heavy metals testing.
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Thanks for the ideas Tanya. We just started GFCF last week. My intension is to give it six months. We do allot of supplementation too. My partner and I work in a co-op, so I have access to trainings and knowledge that I wouldn't otherwise have. The book you mentioned, I have on reserve at our library, as well as many others

What were some of the changes you first noticed in your son? Since we got started she seems to be pooping allot (excuse my bluntness). I am hoping that her body is processing and excreting the stores of gluten and casein. Much thanks Mama.
Missed this earlier. My son and I are very atypical in that we don't have a lot of digestive issues, our digestion is basically normal. I don't understand why, my mom's the same way though.

If you're seeing digestive changes taking out those foods, and you're not either adding in a food she's intolerant to (more soy? corn? something else, probably not apple juice, but like that), then it seems like something is going on with the gluten and casein. I don't know how long it would take to settle down, I'd probably start working on supporting a good bacterial mix though. My daughter, who shows no ASD-type symptoms at all, is the one with the touchier digestion. For her, gfcf improved her digestion, but I still need to push the probiotic foods, her gut tends to be yeasty. I ferment veggies, mostly kimchee and pickles, sometimes other stuff if I'm inspired. I've seen digestive improvements in her when we eat kimchee regularly, 2-3x/day. I haven't had to look into digestive enzymes for me or the kids, we've been okay enough with this--meaning I'm not 100% satisfied, but I'm not sure where I'm going to go next. And maybe this will be okay for now--I think both kids are _still_ low in zinc, and that could be affecting her digestion too, I'm going to try a different form of zinc supp and see if that improves things. It's still a work in progress.

JaneS has old posts on digestive issues that are really helpful, I think. I got a few clues as to what was going on with DD from her old posts.

The kids (5yo daughter, 3yo son), and I are a mix of symptoms and improvements. The symptoms in the kids have been relatively subtle (just general irritability/overreaction type stuff with my daughter, enough to see that she seemed sort of intense compared to other kids but not outrageously so, my son has done stuff like spinning, shaking, banging his head on the wall, but has always been very social, well-spoken, like that--so a mix of normal and not-normal), though I suspect my son's issues would've gotten more pronounced over time, but he was 14mos old when we started gfcf and lots of supps. The reason I started looking into health issues was my own health, which went downhill quite abruptly in the middle of my pregnancy with my son. For me, I had a progression of allergies, anxiety, depression, hypothyroidism and crushing fatigue that eventually convinced me that conventional medicine didn't hold the answers I needed.

Anyway, good gfcf food ideas in Allergies (maybe I already mentioned that), and interesting discussion of detoxification and food intolerances. I've seen ups and downs in my son's food intolerances based on how backed-up his detoxification is, and other folks (even those without long-term, significant detoxification issues) are seeing the same thing. My son's list of food intolerances is pretty short, gluten, dairy, soy, cashews and chocolate. You may want to keep an eye out for other foods that may be an issue--our reactions are easy, mostly mild rashes, it only got to behavior for a short time period (except the gluten/dairy reaction, which is spinning-type stuff).
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