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Help! Is this really true...KHW/wool?

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I was surfing the KHW page and saw this:

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What's wrong with wool? Sheep used for "wool production" are bred to form unnaturally wrinkly skin that collects maggots - which sometimes eat the sheep alive. The males are castrated and all have their tails amputated without anesthesia. Sheep are sheared before they naturally shed their coats, so hundreds of thousands die of exposure every year. Unwanted lambs and sheep are sent to slaughter.
This isn't what I am putting on my baby right?

Virgin wool is different, right? Somebody tell me this isn't the wool that everyone is making their soakers out of!

I
sheep!!!
I don't want them to have maggots or all that other yucky stuff happen to them, just so my baby can wear a cute soaker!
Oh no!


ETA: sorry, hit the post button by accident...again!
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Originally Posted by SEEPAE
What? Link????
We're Animal Friendly
Scroll down to the bottom of the page to the title, "We're Animal Friendly".


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ohh wow I didnt know that was on there

that must be something new tracey added

I have never heard that
Yikes! I hope not.... I know that yarn from fabriconnection.com, littleturtleknits.com, baabaabottoms, flicker-n-suds.com and other WAHM stores definatly investigate how the sheep live. I occasionaly buy wool from a local old lady at the market who has a farm and we're going to go out and visit her farm one day to take pictures of the sheepies at play so that if I decide to sell hand painted virgin wool (this stuff is yummy that she sells), everyone will see exactly how the sheep live.
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Originally Posted by Butterflymom
Yikes! I hope not.... I know that yarn from fabriconnection.com, littleturtleknits.com, baabaabottoms, flicker-n-suds.com and other WAHM stores definatly investigate how the sheep live. I occasionaly buy wool from a local old lady at the market who has a farm and we're going to go out and visit her farm one day to take pictures of the sheepies at play so that if I decide to sell hand painted virgin wool (this stuff is yummy that she sells), everyone will see exactly how the sheep live.


Yey for WAHM sheep
supporters!!!

I will definetly buy my wool more carefully from now on!
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Well I can't say for every sheep out there but I've been to many ranches that had sheep and we raised them ourselves. Personally we sheared in the spring and it wasn't cold. We never had a single sheep die from over exposure (and we had over 200) nor have I heard personally of a sheep dying from overexposure.

I was at every shearing and had tons of one on one contact with the sheep between shearings and I have NEVER EVER seen a maggot on the skin (or anywhere else) of a sheep! Occasionally I saw it in the food if the grain got wet but that was rare and we didn't feed it to the sheep because it would have killed them (and is gross).

The males are castrated but they are castrated in almost every form of livestock (however because the sheep are used for wool and not for meat they aren't killed at 6 months like so many other animals so you can at least feel good for not killing the poor things) because rams can be very agressive. We castrated by putting a rubber band around the top of the testicles and over a period of about a month (
) the testicles would fall off. No knives etc used in this form of castration although I'm not saying it's better than with a scalpel and I also don't know if that's the way the general sheep raising community does it.

As for docking (cutting of the tails) it's done to keep the tails free of poop because the sheep just poop right on their long tails and admittedly it's done without anesthesia. We did it to almost all of our sheep but not all. It's not pretty, I don't advocate it but that's why (at least my understanding of why).

Now before anyone flames me - I didn't own this ranch, I simply worked there as a child to teen. Sheep were not my specialty - pigs were - but we were all very hands on with the animals.

Bottom line, the reason I feel good about using wool is because we are supporting these sheeps lives. Without the use of wool as a commodity they would be slaughtered for meat in my oppinion. Granted I want them to have lots of pasture, molasses filled grain, warm/dry sleeping environments and happy lives.
I also like to support people with direct contact to the sheep like Pickle Pants.
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There have been threads about this before. I can't believe that treating sheep like crap gets you good wool and makes you money.


That quote is from PETA I believe... PETA is known for being extreme.

edited to actually make sense...
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I haven't ever heard anything like that about sheep before. I was just casually reading the info on the KHW page, and wham!
There it was. I must be sheltered or something.
I do so loathe animal cruelty! I'm sure there are those out there with those horrible sheep practices, although it does sound so extreme.

I am glad there are WAHMs like Pickle Pants that love
as much as we do.
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I asked her about it and she said this:

her: i thought you were going to say that..Tracey and I talked about that And i told her when i worked the farms we did not do that to our sheep
her: BUT i knew people who did, and they did not have good quality wool.
me: yeah I havent ever heard that before
her: the thing is if you sheer them early you wont have good regrowth which hinders your wool production
her: OH i have seen it first hand BUT not all of them do that
her: like i knit with wool but i get it from a local person who spins it and they treat their sheep well

So she doesnt make anything wool to sell but does use "good" wool for her own personal use

I think they just added it to make a statement?
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Oh I second what Jenn said about Pickle Pants--seems those sheep are pretty happy!


Julie, what do you mean....? I've tried to figure out what you mean about health risks and monetary benefits but I can't decipher it. Too early, need coffee.....
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Originally Posted by Butterflymom
Julie, what do you mean....? I've tried to figure out what you mean about health risks and monetary benefits but I can't decipher it. Too early, need coffee.....
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Ug... I'm going to edit that b/c it doesn't make sense to me either... too late :LOL
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Julie, what do you mean....? I've tried to figure out what you mean about health risks and monetary benefits but I can't decipher it. Too early, need coffee.....
Too late, need sleep.....
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I think she meant that if you kill the sheep by treating them poorly you can't make a profit off of them! lol
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Originally Posted by pb_and_j
Ug... I'm going to edit that b/c it doesn't make sense to me either... too late :LOL
:LOL
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Originally Posted by JennInSeattle
I think she meant that if you kill the sheep by treating them poorly you can't make a profit off of them! lol
Oooooooh, now i get it...
: (I just like using that bag head guy :LOL)
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Well that I must be
because I thought I understood what Julie was saying. That having unhealthy , maggot covered sheep who would maybe not live long or produce good wool so it would not be cost effective to have sheep like that.Well that is what I got from it anyway.
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there are a few threads here about sheep/wool. search "vegan" to read more.

the issues PETA (and those concerned with animal rights) have is with mass produced wool. unfortunately, it is near impossible to produce tons of wool AND treat sheep kindly. same goes for meat/chicken/dairy/etc. i do not think the argument that it is cost efficient to take care of the animals is true.

buying from a local farmer is the best way to go!
i am SO happy so many WAHMS do care.
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I hope Julie is right, but I KNOW Regina is right about buying locally is the best bet. I'm glad there's a sheep farm nearby and that the lady sells her hand-spun wool yarn just two blocks from my building.
Not that I know how to knit, but at least I can share the love....
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