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Eveing everyone,<br><br>
I am big into the Weston Price way of eating.<br>
I currently have CFS/FIbro ( most likely caused by lyme)<br><br>
I heard going all raw (even meat) is the best way to combat<br>
this and regain health/strength.<br><br>
We have been spending alot of money on Glycos ,and they have<br>
helped ALOT, i am doing very well for someone with this condition.<br>
And it seems to be improving even more..though slowly.<br><br>
I just feel my body needs more, I just turned 25-and im not getting<br>
any younger. I only have one child and i want more so badly. But<br>
my pregnancy with her ( and childbirth) was a nightmare. I had<br>
so many problems i cant even name them and i know it<br>
was directly linked to this problem. So i know i wont attempt<br>
it unless im doing fairly well. I want more so bad <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
Any advice mammas?<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/gloomy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Gloomy">:
 

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Do you have access to raw milk? I have heard some real success stories from going on a (temporary) all raw milk diet. I believe that Gale Force has some info on this <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> GOod luck, I have been slowly rebuilding my body as well and know how hard it is <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug">
 

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I hear yah momma, we too want more but my last preg/bf took everything outta me, but I have been chronically ill for the last 10 + years. My body needs healing to produce and bf a healthy babe. I am drinking lots of kefir from organic raw milk, like a half a litre a day. I was raised on TF, as my kids also, so the major change has been drinking kefir regularily and lots of it. It doesnt happen over night and I gots a long ways to go!!! But I have faith. Anyways i wish the best in your healing journey and am a believer that our bodies can heal if given the right chance.
 

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Well here is the kicker, i cant have much dairy-at alll.<br><br>
For some reason the "bugs" have set up house in my stomach/intestines..<br>
if i drink too much milk/sugar/or starch it begins a feeding frenzie..<br>
i start getting parasitcal sympoms.<br><br>
One to two glasses of raw milk is all i can really tolerate sadly.<br>
So i get frustrated because i cant do an all raw-milk diet.<br>
I wonder what i could do?<br><br>
I thought maybe trying cream since it has less sugar, but<br>
its pricier.
 

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It is also possible that you have a dairy allergy...might check into that. You dont need to drink milk to be healthy either...<br><br>
Good luck<br><br>
Tanya
 

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Have you tried milk kefir? or have you found it to be a true dairy allergy?<br><br>
Kefir has more healing properties than plain raw milk.<br><br><br>
You can be healthy without milk but dairy products are such an easy quick protein.<br><br>
Do you have any supplements that you are taking? Dr Ron's site would be beneficial for you. I would first suggest the organ supplements.
 

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I have a caseine/lactalbumin allergy and I can now tollerate raw milk kefir. I made coconut kefir for the first 3-4 months and gradually introduce the milk kefir. I have a true milk protein allergy. I have lots of stupid things happening in my body, gluten sensitivity entropathy, thyroid issues, Ulc colitis, CF, chronic bowel infections. My health really took a major dive after my last son was born. (hes 17 months ) I feel to young to be this sick!!!!! I have tried everything under the sun. I have tried every probiotic out there, spend thousand trying to get better!!!! I dont like the labels allopathic doctors give, I feel like life and death begins in the bowels. If you have bad bacteria in there simply changing your diet wont suffice, you must repopulate your gut with the good stuff. Kefir does this. The fermenting process breaks down the lactose and the proteins /sugars. Leaky gut can cause all the problems that you are talking about and I know that is what is making me sick.
 

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I would do SA to strengthen your immune system.<br><br>
HAve you searched the Doctor yourself web site? He at times has some good ideas.
 

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How old is your child?
 

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A little OT.<br><br>
My mother has Fibro that is probably Lyme. She hasn't been doing much if anything with her diet around this. Just mainstream medication. Could you possibly PM me some links about Lyme and Raw Food ect. She is coming for a vist next week and I would like to talk to her about this.
 

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I have chronic Lyme: Here is what helped me the most:<br>
1. Healing nutrient defeincies<br>
2.Eating TF diet with lots of healthy fats, cod liver oil, butter oil, dark salad greens, nuts and taking out my allergy foods (gluten, dairy,tomatoes mainly). Plus water Kefir and kombucha.<br>
3. I just started this supplement call Wobenzyme that is supposed to help with inflammation and I found out people with Lyme are taking it too. Google Wobenzyme and Lyme (you can get it at vitacost) My naturopath said that an anti-inflammitory diet combined and enzymes should help greatly. She thinks as long as you really ramp up your immune system then having Lyme is not an issue. I also take borage oil which is anti inflammatory.<br><br><br>
I also had post partum depression after #1`and an miscarriage with #2. (I have been doing TF for a year and healing with supps for about 10 mos) I think that in a few months I should be symptom free from Lyme and have a good pregnancy. I am not sure why you think you need to go raw. WHy not add more non-dairy ferments (veggies, water ect) and some more raw foods. Check into allergy foods also. When I consume mine my pain increases greatly.<br><br>
Gotta go!<br>
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Carwyn-I dont think its a dairy allergy honestly-because i get<br>
this same thing with too much sugar or starch.<br>
Its a parasitic problem with the lyme...i also have<br>
mycoplasma.<br><br>
I basically cant have anything with more than 10 g of sugar.<br>
Im fairly thin because of this and have to get almost all<br>
my calories from fats.<br><br>
-Choe i used to have ulcerative Colitis, but it is now gone,<br>
I had to purchase expensive supplements to overcome this though.<br><br>
-Rhiannon...<a href="http://www.westonaprice.org/moderndiseases/chronicdisease.html" target="_blank">http://www.westonaprice.org/moderndi...icdisease.html</a><br>
here is a WAP article from Ron Schmid who overcame Lyme disease,<br>
its disheartening for me because i cant consume raw milk or yogurt.<br>
But may work for your mother. He also has his own website on<br>
Price Pottenger.<br><br>
I would also recommend Glyconutrients for her, it has helped<br>
me become non-bedridden. I am probably a good 45 -50% better<br>
from it now. There is also the Salt C protocol which works at<br>
literally burning the bugs out!<br>
This is an interesting site about it...<br><br><a href="http://www.lymephotos.com/" target="_blank">http://www.lymephotos.com/</a><br>
This really woke me up to what lyme really is and how<br>
to treat it.<br><br>
NewCastle- thanks for that info. I have been having alot of<br>
difficulty even on my very good diet , recovering completely.<br>
I still have fairly debilitating fatigue and pain sometimes.<br>
My hormones sometimes get real bad from it. I think<br>
raw food is the only place i have left to go-i already<br>
spend alot on glycos to give me this much functionability.<br>
Right before my period and ovulation are the worst times<br>
for me. I still have fatigue really bad.<br><br>
I will look for that enzyme but we really dont have the<br>
money for anymore supplements.<br><br>
Also my hair falls out pretty bad with the lyme. Its awful <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Well here is the kicker, i cant have much dairy-at alll.<br><br>
For some reason the "bugs" have set up house in my stomach/intestines..<br>
if i drink too much milk/sugar/or starch it begins a feeding frenzie..<br>
i start getting parasitcal sympoms.<br><br>
One to two glasses of raw milk is all i can really tolerate sadly.<br>
So i get frustrated because i cant do an all raw-milk diet.<br>
I wonder what i could do?</div>
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Besides doing kefir, how about just clabbering the milk? Put some in a closed glass jar and set it in an oven with the light on. Keep it in there a day or two, until the milk gets gelled. You can also keep it in there until it separates into curds and whey, that's pretty tasty. It'll be mildly sour, depending on how fresh your milk is.
 

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I just want to throw it out there. If your hair is falling out maybe you should be tested for Lupus. I was also tested for that because they have similar synptoms. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug">s<br><br>
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The Primal Diet<br><a href="http://www.ppnf.org/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=23_24&products_id=353&osCsid=b7d3d013f1f3c827dec25353a5f47945" target="_blank">http://www.ppnf.org/catalog/product_...c25353a5f47945</a><br><br>
I saw this on the Price-Pottenger Nutrition Foundation website the other day. I think it is omni-raw foods.<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I have chronic Lyme: Here is what helped me the most:<br>
1. Healing nutrient defeincies<br>
2.Eating TF diet with lots of healthy fats, cod liver oil, butter oil, dark salad greens, nuts and taking out my allergy foods (gluten, dairy,tomatoes mainly). Plus water Kefir and kombucha.<br>
3. I just started this supplement call Wobenzyme that is supposed to help with inflammation and I found out people with Lyme are taking it too. Google Wobenzyme and Lyme (you can get it at vitacost) My naturopath said that an anti-inflammitory diet combined and enzymes should help greatly. She thinks as long as you really ramp up your immune system then having Lyme is not an issue. I also take borage oil which is anti inflammatory.<br><br><br>
I also had post partum depression after #1`and an miscarriage with #2. (I have been doing TF for a year and healing with supps for about 10 mos) I think that in a few months I should be symptom free from Lyme and have a good pregnancy. I am not sure why you think you need to go raw. WHy not add more non-dairy ferments (veggies, water ect) and some more raw foods. Check into allergy foods also. When I consume mine my pain increases greatly.<br><br>
Gotta go!<br>
Jen</div>
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How do you find out what nutrients you're deficient in? What's TF? My mom has lyme's and she could really use this information.<br><br>
Thanks!<br>
~Nay
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">How do you find out what nutrients you're deficient in? What's TF? My mom has lyme's and she could really use this information.<br><br>
Thanks!<br>
~Nay</div>
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You look for the symptoms, test, and treat with supplements and foods. For example: I was pale, tired and mostly veg/avoiding red meat a lot of my life. So they tested me for anemia and I was very anemic. I went the a clinic (owned by Julia Ross of <i>The Diet Cure</i>) in San Francisco to find all mine out. They reviewed my symptoms/diet ect and then tested me, so I don't have tht much info on how to do it yourself besides Gale Force's book. Click on "Gale Force"'s siggy for more info on that. Maybe google nutrient defeincies to find more info too.<br><br>
TF= Traditional Foods<br><br>
I would love to share if you need more help.<br>
Jen
 
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