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<p>I am not a hypochondriac when it comes to myself, but I always have been totally paranoid about the health of any non-verbal things in my life: the car, the cat, and now, it seems, the baby.  In the hour before putting DD to bed tonight I rubbed her with hydrocortisone (she's scratching her exzema like crazy today!) and coconut oil.  Then she took her Prevacid for reflux, acetaminophen because she's teething, and saline nose drops because she's been waking up swallowing hard on mucous.  Just before bed she got a dose of Zyrtec, which her pediatrician suggested for allergic exzema flare-ups and two Hylands tablets.  After all of that she was still fussy and couldn't sleep rubbing her gums against my shoulder.  I rubbed on some Orajel and she was out in a matter of seconds.  Sigh.  It's too much, right??  But I want her to sleep well and not be uncomfortable, and it's SO hard to know which ailment she's suffering from and what will be the best solution.  Most nights it seems that whatever drug I don't give her is the one that she ends up needing, and the various medications do seem to help.  But...it just seems wrong to give an overall healthy baby so many remedies.  What do you all think?  Am I being a crazy over-medicator? </p>
 

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<p>Okay, keep in mind that no one else knows your baby and <em>you're</em> accusing <em>yourself</em> of overmedicating, so the responses you get are going to be that it does sound like a bit much, lol. It does sound like a bit much, but is this a regular thing or just a tonight thing? If you gave her tylenol, she doesn't need Orajel. If Hyland's don't work, why are you giving them to her - they're basically just sugar, so the least of your worries is teething tablets, but why do it if they don't work? Personally, I do not give Tylenol for every day I think a baby is teething. If I did, my younger DD would've been taking it a few times a day, almost daily, for the past 3 months. That's definitely not healthy. If it's an occasional thing, no big deal, but doing it regularly is pretty bad for them. I have no idea how bad her eczema is, but the first thing you should always, always do is try to determine if it's food-related. I've seen more kids' eczema clear up in days when quitting dairy than you'd imagine. If that doesn't help, then just slather it with moisturizer like 10 times a day. Keep it shiny. Even if you have to resort to something totally "unnatural" that's better than hydrocortisone and Zyrtec. If none of that works, then I can't really give medical advice or anything, so I guess rely on someone who can. :)</p>
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<p>Oh, and saline nose drops aren't medicated and do help, especially in the dry winter, so carry on with those as necessary and don't worry about it.</p>
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Plummeting</strong> <a href="/community/forum/thread/1285529/help-me-stop-over-medicating-my-baby#post_16117006"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/community/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>If Hyland's don't work, why are you giving them to her - they're basically just sugar, so the least of your worries is teething tablets, but why do it if they don't work?</p>
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<p>To the OP, I would say defintely, yes.  I don't know how bad her eczema is, but there are heaps of natural things you can do instead of hydrocortisone.  Hydrocortisone is not nice stuff.   It thins the skin, which can make the problem even worse when they scratch.  The more often you use it, the worse it is.  I would not give tylenol for teething unless it is *really* bad.  I would try a natural teething gel and some Camilia(homeopathic) first...and use the tylenol if all else fails.  Dentist said that orajel actually toughens the gums and makes it harder for the new teeth to break through making the teething worse in the long run.  The prescription stuff I don't know about.  Are you just supposed to give them when you feel she needs them?  I wouldn't just give her meds before bed because you are worried she *might* need them.  I would try and find the root of the problems instead of covering the symptoms.  I agree with pp that, if you haven't yet, try to cut out dairy, etc.  I know it is hard to tell what little needs because they can't tell you, but less is really more, if you can help it.  All those things have side effects and it's really best to keep it minimal unless absolutely necessary. </p>
 
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<p>nak, sorry,</p>
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<p>just fyi-- I would never give a baby zyrtec. Search "zyrtec withdrawal" on google. </p>
<p>and I would not give tylenol/motrin for teething unless the pain is really bad. My babies are uncomfotable for weeks before the teeth come in but only 'need' pain meds the night the teeth actually erupt. </p>
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<p>I would say that's a LOT of medication... but I don't take meds & I have never given my 22mo any meds (though occasionally homeopathics) so I have a very different perspective! My view is that my DS is fine & healthy & going through normal & necessary development so I do not need to 'treat' it. The one time I 'treated' him was when he had a small cut that wasn't healing (for weeks), so we gave him some drops our homeopath gave us & applied calendula cream. We do not give him anything for teething, because he has been teething almost non-stop since 4mos old & I cringe at the thought of medicating him that long!! I actually have found that lots of cuddles & singing to him, telling him stories, etc. works GREAT at soothing pain. We had a lot of major reflux but he grew out of it eventually, without meds, and actually eliminating gluten from my diet helped a ton with his reflux because it was partly related to my oversupply issues. Running a humidifier at night seems to help with his stuffiness (though I see no issue with saline drops I guess, as long as it's not EVERY day). I guess I am just trying to say that it's possible to treat normal infant ailments without medication -- though only you can say if what your DD is experiencing is 'normal' or something more severe. I would try stopping all unnecessary meds for a few days & see if she does OK. I think over-medicating can prevent kids from developing a tolerance to discomfort & make them hypersensitive to pain (but that's just my own personal theory!) Also I would worry that all those chemicals could have side effects (I know acetaminophen can damage the liver, for example).... Is that 'typical' for how much meds you give her daily or was today a one-time thing?</p>
 
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<p>I would definitely try to go to something like Eucerine or Aquapher for the eczema over hydrocortozone. Other than that, it seems like you're on 3 different medications for teething. That's overkill. Orajel is bad stuff, my pediatrician said to only use Tylenol if you're going to medicate but to try other stuff. Have you tried rubbing whiskey on her gums instead? It's worth a shot. If the Hylands aren't working for you, don't use them. If the Tylenol alone isn't working I wouldn't use that either. I tend to be less crunchy about medicines than others on this board though, so I would probably use the Tylenol at night if it worked. You might also try Motrin (ibuprophen) if your LO is over 6 months.</p>
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<p>S basically I'd cut down to the Prevacid and some kind of teething remedy.</p>
 

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<p>just fyi-- I would never give a baby zyrtec. Search "zyrtec withdrawal" on google. </p>
<p>and I would not give tylenol/motrin for teething unless the pain is really bad. My babies are uncomfotable for weeks before the teeth come in but only 'need' pain meds the night the teeth actually erupt. </p>
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<p>To an outsider the list you posted was so long it's hard for me to imagine your little baby's body being able to handle all of it.  Personally, the only thing I'd be comfy with are the saline drops, the coconut oil and the occasional Orajel, (but we rub whiskey on their teeth).<br>
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<p>Thank you to everyone for your very thoughtful responses.  I know I really put myself on the line for condemnation, but I really just want to make sure I'm doing what I can to make my baby comfortable.</p>
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<p>Anyway, last night was exceptional, but highlighted my tendency to rush to medication whenever there's a (perceived) problem.  That, I think, is the biggest problem.  DD's regular list is somewhat shorter, at least:</p>
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<p>Prevacid - Her reflux is bad enough that this is necessary.  She gets it daily, 45 minutes before bed so it's at its full effect at night. </p>
<p>Coconut oil - She gets slathered several times a day to keep her exzema at bay. </p>
<p>Saline - Even if it doesn't help the post-nasal drip as much as I'd like, it does help with her crusty winter nosey.</p>
<p>Hylands - not every night, but often.  She's 8.5 months with no teeth, so obviously sore gums have been a frequent part of our life.  I think Hylands work well for her average sore gums, but aren't enough when her teething pain ramps up. </p>
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<p>The Tylenol is the real problem.  I never give her more than one dose a day, right before bed, but I know I shouldn't do even that on a very regular basis.  Usually what happens is there comes a day when the Hylands aren't enough to relieve her pain and allow her to sleep, so after several restless nighttime hours I give her the tylenol and she sleeps relatively soundly thereafter.  Then the next night I try to avoid those few hours of initial restlessness by giving her the tylenol right away.  I get in the habit of giving it to her and it takes me a few days before I realize that I don't even know if she needs it.  In the past week or so I have given her Orajel about 4 times when, for the first time in her life, even with Tylenol she couldn't stop crying and rubbing her mouth on my shoulder.  She falls asleep seconds after I put it on and the effects seems to extend throughout the night.  I think whiskey will provide relief, but I'm not convinced that the effects will last, which is really what we both need during our already short and fractured nights.  I will give it a try, though.</p>
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<p>DD is prone to allergies, food and otherwise, and I give her the hydrocortisone ONLY when she's having an allergic flare-up because it seems to provide quick relief for the intense itching.  She's on a hypoallergenic formula and gets no other dairy or gluten (that I'm aware of, anyway), and since she's formula fed she doesn't get these things through me either.  I avoid all products, lotions, detergents, materials, etc. that I know cause her problems, but...she's young and there's a lot of things she hasn't been exposed to yet.  I know hydrocortisone isn't great for her skin, but I feel like it's a trade-off because itching worsens her rash and creates a vicious cycle.  Is there something out there that is less harmful but will give near-instant, lasting relief to intense itching from an allergic flare-up? </p>
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<p>The straw that broke the camel's back was the Zyrtec, which I gave her last night for the first time when her exzema flared up, intending it as a crisis-only type of medication.  I think I gave it to her more as a diagnosis tool than anything else, since nothing I've done has really helped her sleep more soundly.  If she responds to the Zyrtec then I can be pretty sure that there's still some allergy causing her post-nasal drip and other issues.  The Orajel is the same way - it SPEAKS for her.  When she responds to it, I KNOW that she's suffering from teething pain.  I know this sounds misguided, but DD is chronically uncomfortable and I still haven't been able to figure out why.  Homeopathics tend to have such diffuse effects, they may help her, but they won't help me finally target the right ailment. </p>
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<p>Anyway, I agree with many of the sentiments expressed here, but am still torn by the urge to make sure my baby is comfortable and getting enough sleep, which she often doesn't.  I think this may go more deeply into my psychology than I initially thought. Sigh.  Motherhood sure can be complicated sometimes. </p>
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<p>Thanks again for the encouragement. </p>
 

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<p>I'm so like you. I definitely go towards medicines for myself and for my baby, and as a rule I don't apologize for it. I couldn't sleep if I was itching my skin off, or had horrible heartburn, or had a horrible toothache. So I take medicines or do things for myself and I do give them to my baby. My son is on Prevacid as well (though we give in the morning), and I probably wouldn't hesitate to give Tylenol for teething.</p>
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<p>Here's what I would say though, be careful of giving medicine just because you're trying to figure stuff out. If you're going to do that, start with the least "dangerous" and go up from there, but give stuff a chance to work. For example, I would start with THICK Eucerine/Aquapher and give that a day or two of applying it at every diaper change. From there, could you try calamine lotion? Or an Aveeno or oatmeal bath? I'd DEFINITELY introduce a humidifier in her room for the nose. There's really nothing so bad about saline drops, as long as they don't have medicine in them, but I can't imagine it's necessary to use them every day. The humidifier should keep her nose moist. Orajel is literally worthless. It works for like, 10 minutes MAYBE. I know this because I practically bought stock in Orajel when I was an adolescent with braces for 4 years. I could pretty much always be caught putting it on my teeth and gums. Why? Because it doesn't last. Seriously, you might be better off with whiskey. I've also heard trying vanilla extract as it has alcohol in it as well as the soothing aromatherapy of vanilla.</p>
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<p>I'd say if you're not seeing results from Tylenol, I wouldn't go to Orajel. I would maybe look into Motrin.</p>
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>newmamalizzy</strong> <a href="/community/forum/thread/1285529/help-me-stop-over-medicating-my-baby#post_16116868"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/community/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-bottom:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-right:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>I am not a hypochondriac when it comes to myself, but I always have been totally paranoid about the health of any non-verbal things in my life: the car, the cat, and now, it seems, the baby.  In the hour before putting DD to bed tonight I rubbed her with hydrocortisone (she's scratching her exzema like crazy today!) and coconut oil.  Then she took her Prevacid for reflux, acetaminophen because she's teething, and saline nose drops because she's been waking up swallowing hard on mucous.  Just before bed she got a dose of Zyrtec, which her pediatrician suggested for allergic exzema flare-ups and two Hylands tablets.  After all of that she was still fussy and couldn't sleep rubbing her gums against my shoulder.  I rubbed on some Orajel and she was out in a matter of seconds.  Sigh.  It's too much, right??  But I want her to sleep well and not be uncomfortable, and it's SO hard to know which ailment she's suffering from and what will be the best solution.  Most nights it seems that whatever drug I don't give her is the one that she ends up needing, and the various medications do seem to help.  But...it just seems wrong to give an overall healthy baby so many remedies.  What do you all think?  Am I being a crazy over-medicator? </p>
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<br><br><p>I can totally relate! Tylenol or Camilia for teething, calendula cream for eczema (still working to find out what is causing the eczema), Prevacid for reflux, simethicone for gas (not always,t hough) and while battling this cold...saline for nose!  I don't think you're "crazy" but I think it's best to use all in moderation, which I'm sure you truly are doing.  Wanting babe to get some good sleep and be comfortable isn't wrong. </p>
 

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<p> Yes, I feel this same way often...if not all the time. :)</p>
 

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<p>I think you need to look more for a source of all her issues. It sounds like she has some pretty bad allergies, so I would consider switching her formula if you've ruled everything else out -- some babies can't even tolerate the hypoallergenic stuff. Also look at environmental causes, perhaps a family pet, or mold, or something... </p>
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<p>It just seems way over-the-top to me to give a baby that many treatments every day. Eczema & post-nasal drip are classic allergy symptoms, and even reflux can be allergy-related. I would definitely bring her to the pedi or an allergist and see if you can get to the bottom of this rather than continually masking the problems with medication.</p>
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<p>Also, 8.5-10 months or so is a notoriously bad time for sleep. It could be more of a developmental thing than a medical issue (and just coincidence that she relaxed & slept well after taking the meds... or maybe she was too drugged for her brain to keep her awake!) Around that time, my DS woke up every 5 minutes for half the night, it was horrible, but there are TONS of stories just like mine (well maybe every 45 minutes instead of every 5!) for 9mo babies in Nighttime Parenting.</p>
 

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<br><br><p>I'm really glad you said this.  It sounds like the op is expecting too much out of her dd regarding sleep.  Babies teeth and they don't sleep well at that age, regardless of how they slept previously.  They are learning new things and growing fast.  They just do not sleep well.  You *can't* drug her into *good* sleep.  It's not going to happen and is a bad road to go down.  I would *not* be giving Tylenol so often, actually not at all.  Tylenol should be an absolute last resort.  It damages the liver and is filled with things that are best to be avoided.  You are not going to find out why your dd is chronically uncomfortable by over-medicating her.  I would really do some hard studying on the long-term effects of the things you are using.  Why add to her problems?</p>
 

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<p>I'm not "against" medicine and I use them when I am in pain or any of my children are in pain (although I avoid it when they have fevers as I think fevers help them get better faster). But that sounds like a lot of medicine for a baby. I would try to avoid the hydrocortisone and Zyrtec, at least, and I don't believe in homeopathy so I'd skip the Hylands too although I don't think they cause any harm. </p>
<p>I have a lot of contact dermatitis and occasional eczema flare-ups and have found Weleda calendula oil works like magic. It's really for babies but I use it on myself. </p>
<p>Also I use Motrin instead of Tylenol because I believe it is less harmful. I will give either Motrin or Oragel to my teething baby, but I've found Oragel works more immediately and works best when she's in a lot of pain. Also, you can use just a tiny amount right where it hurts. I have also used clove oil before (there's an herbal mix called gumomile that has clove oil and chamomile in it) and it works like Oragel. The problem is it tastes awful to babies, and I think it might burn a little. Obviously you'd have the same issues with whiskey (and I don't believe whiskey is safer than ibuprofen or oragel).</p>
 

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<p>I'm also weary of so many medications. Tylenol, zrytec, orajel etc all carry risk with them. Not just the risk of the actual medication, but also recalls, contamination, reacations to dye etcs. It really helps me to remember that it's *is* a trade off-- slightly increased risk for less pain. I have never given tylenol for just teething, but I have for fever. My son didn't seem to react too bad to teething, however.  I did try the hylands tablets, but stopped after teh recall.</p>
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<p>I also did use hyrocorizone for some excema behind my son's ears. We tried everything else under the son for months, but they were so cut up that the couldn't heal, and since coudln't heal, they would never stay dry... it was a horrible cycle, and we did end up using the medication to break it, and it worked out great. I would make sure that you understand exactly what you are trying to acheive when giving a medication.</p>
 

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<p>About the hydrocortisone-- just wanted to say that I've done a LOT of research on it and talked to my ped and it's not harmful to babies at all in moderation. It won't thin the skin or cause rebound issues if you don't use it every day. My daughter gets some rough/red/rashy patches sometimes and what we do is apply a thin layer of low-strength hydrocortisone cream after her bath, and then apply some vaseline or aquaphor over it. We do this anywhere from 1-3 times a week and it works like a charm.</p>
 

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<p>Honestly, it seems like a lot of medicines.  I would not bother with baby tylenol for teething. I would use infant ibuprofen or motrin and only if she seems miserable, preferably with food/milk. DD is pretty fussy for weeks when it comes to her teeth and I would be going through a LOT of medicine if I go did that. Hylands don't do anything and I think they were recalled.</p>
 

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<p>that seems like a lot to me... but i feel like i can feel the worry through the computer while reading your words. it is okay if they feel a little bit of pain. honestly... have you tried gum massaging? does she have a paci to suck on, thumb? do you guys cosleep? i would stop everything and get down to the bottom of the eczema if possible then go from there.</p>
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<p>i feel like motrin is so so hard on the stomach so they get it very rarely. (i also believe fevers are good, but i watch them very closely)</p>
 

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<p>You know, she could be reacting to the dyes in Tylenol. Make sure if you have a baby who is sensitive to get the medication that is dye free. Target has a generic brand that is quite inexpensive. Does your daughter see an allergist? I assume so if she's on hypoallergenic formula and has severe eczema, but if not, you should DEFINITELY get one. It sounds like your LO has some extraordinary symptoms and they should be addressed by a professional who knows what they're doing, not just by trial and error.</p>
 

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