[monkaha]

From an article on giving teens pertussis boosters (silly in and of itself, I know)<a href="http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/519839?src=mp" target="_blank">Pertussis Booster Vaccination Now Recommended for Adolescents</a><br><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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My question is why would they need to be given at least 1 month apart if they are safe(sic) to give together?

 

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

They "say" that if you give them <b>all</b> at the same time, the body processes the <b>all</b> and you will make immunity.<br><br>
But they say that if you don't give them together, and then, say, give the second one a couple of weeks later, the body won't deal with it, because its busy dealing with the first vaccine.<br><br>
They "know" that, for instance, if you give a tetanus shot, the T4/T8 cell ratio looks identical to AIDS for up to 28 days. They also "know" (and have known it since the 60's) that anyone who has just been given a vaccine is susceptible to catching another infection in the month after vaccination, because the immune system is "engaged" on another call elsewhere, but they don't tell you that.<br><br>
They "KNOW" that after some vaccines, your liver isn't going to work properly for a few weeks. (which can be a danger to asthmatics, becuase the toxicity levels of some asthma drugs can build up to quite a high level) but they don't tell you that.<br><br>
They know that after various vaccines, such as influenza, you will return a false positive AIDS test, because your immune system is skewed in such a way that it looks like AIDS to the test. But they don't tell you that.<br><br>
What they don't know, is EXACTLY how the vaccines "work" in your body. They haven't a clue how either adjuvants, and other components affect the body in terms of "changes" in both biochemistry or immunology.<br><br>
The only thing they are interested in, are antibodies at the end of it, even though they ALSO know that in many instances, anitgen specific antibody titres do not correlate with protection, and neither do they know what cellular responses equate to mucosal immunity either.<br><br>
So in order to pre-empt your next question of "Well, what do they know about vaccines?" the answer is "NOT MUCH!" Yet when they discuss it, they use self congratulatory statement in order to "justify" their self adulation, ignorning the mountains of evidence which shows that in many cases, vaccines don't work, or swap one problem for another.<br><br><a href="http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2000-05/NS-Whal-2305100.php" target="_blank">http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...al-2305100.php</a>

 

[monkaha]

Thanks MT! Could you link me to research re: positive AIDS screening after vaccinations?

 

[monkaha]

But it still doesn't make sense to me. If one's immune system can't handle 2 vaccines within a month of each other, how is it strong enough when they are given at the same time?

 

[HeatherHeather]

NAK - so this is kinda condensed.<br><br>
It's not a safety issue, it's an efficacy issue (in their minds). Their research has shown that if they give both injections together, the average person will make antibioties for both vaxes. If they give one vax today then a second vax two weeks from now, then the average person will produce antibioties to just the first vax.<br><br><br>
On an immune system level, you can kind of compare it to an invasion. Keeping in mind that the vax is designed to be either a dead or weakened form of the disease:<br><br>
It would kind of be like both Canada and Mexico deciding to attack the US. If both Canada and Mexico attacked at the same time the US would immediately put up a defence against both nations on both boarders.<br><br>
But say if Canada attacked first, the US would send all it's troops to defend the Canadian boarder. Then if Mexico invaded the country, but wasn't really doing much damage (the vax is either dead or weak), then the US isn't going to call it's troops away from Canada to defend against Mexico. In fact, the US might not even notice that Mexico invaded b/c all their attention is on Canada. If you see what I mean. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">

 

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Thanks MT! Could you link me to research re: positive AIDS screening after vaccinations?</div>
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No coz I've only got that in paper form at the moment.<br><br>
Sometime I'll go a google search to see if someone has put it up there, but I have to go shopping now.<br><br>
But.. if you do a google search and find it, and put it here, then that will save me the hassle <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin"><br><br>
Heather Heather's analogy is pretty good really as to how it works... though the average person might make some antibodies to the second one, just not very many....

 

[monkaha]

Ok, I don't know why I expected it to be harder to find than just typing into Google. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/duh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="duh">: Here's what I found:<br><br><a href="http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/cjtestfp.htm" target="_blank">http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/cjtestfp.htm</a><br><br>
A really long list of things that can cause a false positive. Hm. Interesting.<br><br>
HeatherHeather-Thanks for the analogy. That makes sense.

 

[HeatherHeather]

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Heather Heather's analogy is pretty good really as to how it works... though the average person might make some antibodies to the second one, just not very many....</div>
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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> Yeah, I know I gave the readers digest condensed, (not exactly accurate clinically) version. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">

 

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Doesn't matter heather, the mental picture is accurate enough <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin">