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Our 2.5 year old chow mix has just been miserable with itching for the past year. We've tried everything except raw food diet....so I guess that is the next step. I don't know where to begin though...this is so foreign to me. Can you recommend some good resources or tips on where to start this journey?
 

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I would recommend the Yahoo Rawfeeding group. It's a very high volume list and the people there are extremely experienced. They advocate a prey-model diet consisting of raw meat, bones, and organs only...no veggies and no grains. I've been feeding my dog this way for several months now and the improvements in his coat, energy level, stool volume, and teeth are AMAZING!<br><br>
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Dusti's been rawfed since we got her. It's really not hard at all. We do prey model too, mostly chicken and pork meat/bones with beef liver and some hamburger or eggs for treats or small meals. She doesn't eat raw fish much, so I feed a canned approx once a week (maybe less, but no more than that) and supplement omega 3 oil. There's a good link in my siggy.<br><br><br>
We never had any problems eating "whatever's on sale" but since you are having skin problems I thought I should add that you want to stick with one protien (like chicken only for a month, then only chicken and beef, and build up slowly) to make sure he's not allergic to it before you add variety.
 

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I was reading something today that said that if you have a "gulper", which I do, that you have to be really careful about feeding them whole bones (that they should be ground). Maybe I'll have to invest in a meatgrinder, or see if the butcher will do it for me.
 

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No, just feed large pieces. There's nothing wrong with a dog swallowing big pieces that he rips off himself; the only danger is when you feed them small tubular pieces (like chicken necks or drumettes) that perfectly fill the esophagus and the dog gulps without chewing. So just feed bigger cuts.
 

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Klein Hexe, what do you mean by ‘slowly” raw feeding your dogs? DO you give one piece at a time or you mix it with kibble? If it’s the second – that might be the reason for digestive upsets.<br><br>
I switched my dogs to raw 2 months ago and both my dogs at thrilled. Make sure you start with one protein. Chicken would be preferential. For the first few weeks remove skin and globs of fat (nest to the tail) from chicken. One of my dogs always had sensitive stomach (he is a rescue dog) and when I switched him to raw he had loose stools for about a month (not diarrhea just loose). Slowly his body adjusted. I started to introduce pork and beef (once a week) and he has an occasional upset stomach.<br><br>
Another point. I noticed that when I feed my dogs “enhanced” chicken loose stools return. So, I try my best to avoid enhanced products any buy minimally processed meats. However, since I am on a tight budget I buy my dogs what’s on sale. At if its an enhanced meet that meets my valet needs, then my dogs will have to suck it up and eat. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin"><br><br>
Also, you will have to adjust meat portions. I found that even though I followed to 2-3% formula, my dogs gained weight. So, I feed them less than 2% of their ideal weight.<br><br>
Yahoo groups on rawfeeding were great a source for me.
 

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I do not mix with kibble. I will give them raw for a couple days and then stop because they get upset tummies. I tried again yesterday and Dirk threw up several times last night.
 

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Has anyone calculated how much it costs to do a raw diet for a dog? Our pups are 65 lbs.
 

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I try to average less than 1$/lb of food when I'm shopping. My 70lb Golden eats about 1 1/2-2lbs per day and I spend around $35-40 per month feeding him. This is about what I spent to feed him Innova EVO kibble.<br><br>
I buy most of his food in the regular grocery store. I feed a lot of chicken leg quarters which are pretty cheap (anywhere from 39c/lb to 69c/lb) and pork because it's the cheapest "red meat" that I can find. I will also buy a lot of stuff on sale or that is reduced for quick sale. It would certainly be even cheaper if I knew a butcher who would give me trim for free or if someone I knew hunted...but that's not the case, unfortunately. So I just bargain shop <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">No, just feed large pieces. There's nothing wrong with a dog swallowing big pieces that he rips off himself; the only danger is when you feed them small tubular pieces (like chicken necks or drumettes) that perfectly fill the esophagus and the dog gulps without chewing. So just feed bigger cuts.</div>
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What type of bigger cuts would you recommend?
 

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I feed lots of chicken leg quarters. Also, I buy whole chickens when on sale and quarter or half them depending on the size. I will do the same to turkeys too. Another main stay are pork picnics and boston butts. The ones I find are typically between 5 and 10lbs and I will feed that over several days or process them to smaller (ie. 1-2lb peices). Also, pork ribs and some beef ribs. As a rule, I don't feed a lot of beef though because it's expensive.
 

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I just wanted to ask the opinion of experienced raw feeders on this.<br><br>
I am thinking of keeping only one of my dogs on a raw diet (simply for the cost at this point). Both of my dogs are poo eaters. I'm wondering if this will create problems for the one on the raw diet (ie eating digested kibble).
 

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Feeding raw tends to stop poop eating.<br><br>
For me, feeding raw is the absolute cheapest way to go; I feed raw for about the cost of feeding Ol' Roy. It CAN be done.
 

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Raw only seems more expensive up front. As you ask around, you'll find the greatest deals. I used to think 49 cents a lb was great for leg quarters, now I get them for 37 cents (or less). I've been to every meat market and grocer in the county. I've asked every weirdo question they've ever heard. I have chest freezer that's just for dog food. My small local grocer is able to give me the best deals. I often get deals for buying in bulk (they separate and bag it into manageable quantities for me for free). And they call me at least every other month with something they absolutely need to get rid of. I've gotten 40 lb. boxes of chicken and turkey backs for free! (I like free! Don't tell their manager.)<br><br>
My BIL does deer processing and I recently got lots of goodies for free. (I would go into detail, but I'm pregnant and gaggy.)<br><br>
My dogs are 83 lbs. and 110 lbs. The 110 lb dog is ummm....challenged. I didn't think she would ever got the hang of chewing and not gulping. I was feeding her large pieces, nothing worked. I started feeding her really big pieces and smacking the crap out of all the bones with a hammer. Every time she would try to gulp I took her food away. I praised like crazy for even one chew. It's been 7 years or so and she eats like a lady now.
 

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I gave the dogs chicken backs for the first time today (it was really hard for me to make that jump to meat with bones, I was sure they would choke to death). I was amazed to see them using those carnasials the way God intended! They were sort of weirded out by the bones...one of the dogs did fine, but the other (who I thought would really get into the bones) didn't eat too much.<br><br>
I posted on Yahoo groups...but my latest curiosity is how people handle raw feeding while they are camping? That is my new thing to think about...
 
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