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i really don't know what to do. ds went for his 4 month check up today and the ped asked me if he was taking vitamins and i told her i took him off of them because he was having issues digesting them and she goes off into this rant about how he needs them because he can only get D from the sun blah blah blah. so i told her i was taking prenatals and she said he still needed it. whatever! ds goes outside everyday. so i let that go but the ultimate "disappointer" was when she told me he is ready for rice. i totally couldn't believe what she was saying because she is an LC and, i thought, a strong supporter of natural parenting. i told her i wasn't interested in that and she said that ds is gaining weight too slowly (9.15 oz) and he needs to bulk up. she devised a chart that monitored his weight and there were several dips so now i'm freaking out. i don't want to give him that processed crap nor do i want to give him formula (God forbid solids at this age). i don't know what to do! dh is all yucky and wants ds on cereal now because of what ds' ped said. i don't have any support on this matter. i'm so frustrated and i don't know what to do. please help me mamas!
 

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Print this out, and take it with maybe? Or just lie. If I get unwelcome pressure from a pedi, I just lie to make them feel better.<br><br><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051009/ap_on_he_me/fit_baby_food_myths" target="_blank">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051009/...aby_food_myths</a>
 

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There is no nutritional component in cereal, that could ever take the place of breastmilk. Your ped should be embaressed for being so ignorant.<br><br>
Are you being very strong with your ped. My ped is so ignorant. He told me at my ds's 3mth appt that formula is good in a pinch. I fired back "not for us, he will not be on it" He never commented again. He also told me it's okay for cereal within the month. I again replied, " no were not starting solids until 6mth, and it will be fruits and veggies, not cereal". He again said nothing.<br><br>
You're a confident educated women, don't let him make you feel inferior, you know your stuff and let your ped know it..
 

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i ignored my ped's advice on solid foods and only started offering stuff (mostly fruits and veggies) when ds started showing interest. one day, i was eating a muffin with him in my lap and he almost grabbed the whole muffin!<br><br>
my ped just prescribed iron drops - an Rx that i think i'll not fill - ds has discovered red meat and i think he'll be just like his daddy - a steak and potatoes boy!<br><br>
as long as your babe is mostly bf'ing, it is more important for you to keep your diet well-rounded and keep up with your supplements than it is to give them to him. babies can absorbed what they need so much better from breastmilk than they can from other sources (well, duh!)...
 

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I don't really understand peds suggesting rice cereal for weight gain. Aren't there more calories and fats in breastmilk? Wouldn't it make more sense to just continue nursing rather than to have baby fill up on rice cereal?
 

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i will admit that i wasn't as forthright as i usually am because i was in utter disbelief that this was coming from her! she's so pro-breastfeeding and is a lactation consultant and teaches a breastfeeding class at babies'rus and for her to recommend rice caused me to be COMPLETELY dumbfounded! i really didn't know what to say so i just let her talk and i didn't say anything.<br><br>
so when i got to the car i complained to dh and then he sided with her because she talked about the whole slow weight gain issue and how concerned she was about that. i mean, i'm concerned to but i'm not going to give him cereal...he can't even digest formula! when ds was first born (a preemie) they took him from me when after the c-section (my sweet boy was having some serious complications) and gave him formula since i was passed out from the drugs. i saw how hard it was for him to take that stuff so he is now exclusively breastfed.<br><br>
i don't know if it's because i'm a mom and that's why dh can't see this but when his little face is crying because formula hurts his tummy it breaks my heart. if formula does this then i can only imagine what cereal will do...but at the same time i don't know how to get his weight up. my little tyke is really small...everyone is always asking me if he's a newborn and when i tell them he's four months i always get that same stare of astonishment. i just don't know what to do <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Print this out, and take it with maybe? Or just lie. If I get unwelcome pressure from a pedi, I just lie to make them feel better.<br><br><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051009/ap_on_he_me/fit_baby_food_myths" target="_blank">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051009/...aby_food_myths</a></div>
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My baby's first solids were avocado and hummus, followed shortly by eggplant in garlic sauce and chicken curry! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up"> MIL thinks I'm a nut. ("Babies need BABY FOOD!")
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Print this out, and take it with maybe? Or just lie. If I get unwelcome pressure from a pedi, I just lie to make them feel better.<br><br><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051009/ap_on_he_me/fit_baby_food_myths" target="_blank">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051009/...aby_food_myths</a></div>
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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/yeahthat.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="yeah that">:<br>
I lie to my pediatrician on a regular basis, whenever I think the advice I'm being given qualifies as "parenting advice," rather than medical advice, and whenever her comments betray her ignorance or her biases.<br><br>
I really fail to understand how rice, even whole grain brown rice, could possibly be better for a baby than breastmilk, with all its protein, it's perfect balance of fats, vitamins, and minerals, and the multitude of other components that "science" only barely understands. Your pediatrician has no idea what she is talking about. Perhaps she might have suggested nursing more often, or changing nursing patterns to insure that your child gets more of the growth-promoting hindmilk, but to suggest rice at 4 months is silly if weight gain is the issue. All it's gonna do it fill your child up and reduce appetite for the milk that's really needed.<br><br>
Bah, I get so AGGRAVATED when pediatricians, who should know better, hand out such stupid advice!!!<br><br>
I would gently suggest to your DH that he do a bit of research on the issue, and maybe point him in the direction of the AAP guidelines, which actually recommend exclusive breastfeeding for six months.
 

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Rice is not likely tohelp your baby gain.... but more nursing will. Try to squeeze in an extra session or two.
 

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Exactly! My doctor doesn't come to me for medical advice and I don't go to my children's doctor for parenting advice. For crying out loud, I've got more parenting experience than 90% of the doctors out there anyway!
 

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Rice is not likely tohelp your baby gain.... but more nursing will. Try to squeeze in an extra session or two.</div>
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ds is sporadic nurser so i've decided to instill a "schedule". i'm not trying to babywise my ds (which is what ds' ped asked me) but i do want to get more feedings in. so i'm going to feed him every two hours so i can start remembering how much he is eating. i'm not going to force him to eat if he doesn't want to nor am i going to deny him boob if he wants to eat in between but this way i'll feel like less of a bad mom. i hate it when i take him to his appt and he's only gained three ounces in two weeks or none at all or, even worse, has lost weight. at least this way, i can say i really, really, really tried my hardest to fatten this kid up!<br><br>
does anyone know of any other articles other than the "debunking" one? i've shown that to dh before and he read it and apologized for wanting to use cereal...but that was before this incident and now he's back on that kick again. i think he needs a refresher but from a different source.
 

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First of all rice cereal will not help him "bulk" up. It has way less calories per ounce than human milk. It also takes longer to digest so he will be eating less often and thus getting less calories.<br><br>
4 months is generally too young for solids, IMO and that of most major medical organizations.<br><br>
Next time I saw her I'd ask her about both of those things. Its okay to question authority.
 

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Cereal won't help him gain weight and is actually a really hard protein to digest, not the ideal first food. Our GI dr took Evan off it completely.<br><br>
Do you need ideas for weight gain? Do you think he's gaining too slow? At his current weight he's well below the average growth chart. What was his birth weight? Our ped wanted 4ozs a week till 6 mos and from what I've read that's generally the min reccomended. After 6 mos, it goes down to like 1 oz a week (which we barely get). Evan is off the chart too, but didn't fall off till 8 mos. I've been told to take EPO and flax seed oil to make my milk more fatty. How often does he nurse? Does he nurse very long? One side or both?
 

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I think it's pretty standard that they suggest cereal at 4 months. My dr told me to go ahead and start it. I told her I was waiting and that was the end of that.
 

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A baby should gain an average of 4-7 oz a week in the first 3 mos. Now that your ds is 4 mos, he should gain 3-5 oz/week.<br><br>
But babies grow in spurts. Be sure you are co-sleeping so he will rouse more often to eat at night. Don't use any pacifiers. Allow him to cluster feed for hours in the evening. Wear him in a sling. Have lots fo skin to skin contanct.<br><br>
Since he was a premie, it is not unusual for him to be small for his age.<br><br>
link on delaying solids:<br><br><a href="http://www.kellymom.com/nutrition/solids/delay-solids.html" target="_blank">http://www.kellymom.com/nutrition/so...ay-solids.html</a><br><br>
link on slow weight gain:<br><br><a href="http://www.kellymom.com/babyconcerns/growth/weight-gain_increase.html" target="_blank">http://www.kellymom.com/babyconcerns..._increase.html</a>
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Do you need ideas for weight gain? Do you think he's gaining too slow? At his current weight he's well below the average growth chart. What was his birth weight? How often does he nurse? Does he nurse very long? One side or both?</div>
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to answer your questions, YES I NEED IDEAS FOR WEIGHT GAIN!!! i really want to shut dh up and feel better myself. he is gaining slow. i think ds has fallen off the chart. i know the last time i checked he had. his birth weight was 5 lbs 11 oz but he went home (four days later) at 5 lbs 4 oz. he nurses every two hours and some in between depending on what mood he's in. we do co-sleep and he nurses the entire night...even wehn he's sleep. he prefers the left side but i make sure i give him some right to.
 

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IMO he's doing fine. That's 4#11oz in 4 mos, he's getting his 4ozs a week, though he's probably like Evan and gets 2 ozs one week and 6 the next to even it out! It's hard to have a small baby, I imagine even harder since you had a smaller baby. Evan started out at 7#8oz so he had a good 2# on your little one. Evan too nurses like mad still at 10 mos, I think he's just very active and has a super fast metabolism. <a href="http://www.mybirthcare.com/favorites/babygrowthchart.asp" target="_blank">http://www.mybirthcare.com/favorites...rowthchart.asp</a> I use that growth chart just to see if Evan is staying on the same growth line. Even though he was small, he always stayed the same till recently and we're working on that through solids now and adding supplements to his food. I would give the flax seed oil a shot, my friend swears by it. Her baby stopped latching on so she EPs and she swears she gets fattier milk now!
 

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My ds was only a pound or so heavier at that age, and he was more than half a pound bigger than yours at birth. I would suggest more frequent nursings (which it sounds like you're going to do) If you feel the need to start solids, or your dh is really panicking (which, although we might disagree with him, is still valid as he is concerned for your son) I would mush up avocado with breastmilk and offer that rather than rice. Much more fattening.
 

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Vit D deficiency is a concern in places where they do not get alot of sunlight year round. Georgia would not be one of those places. I gave my oldest Vit D for 2 or 3 months the days I remembered, she was born in Nov and we live in Canada. By the time #2 & #3 came along I was lucky if I rememberd to brush my teeth.lol plus the new dr we were seeing didn't recommend them. If I remember right neither does Dr. Jack Newman.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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How often has he been weighed? Were the dips right before a growth spurt?<br><br>
How premature was he? Is 4months his adjusted age? If it is his adjusted age than look at his weight at what his age would be IF he was born at term.<br><br>
A 4month old term baby isn't truely ready for cereal, much less a 4month preemie. His stomach is not mature enough.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">How premature was he? Is 4months his adjusted age? If it is his adjusted age than look at his weight at what his age would be IF he was born at term.<br><br>
A 4month old term baby isn't truely ready for cereal, much less a 4month preemie. His stomach is not mature enough.</div>
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That's for sure. Many full-term babies are not ready til 7, 8 or 9 mos or longer.<br><br>
So what if his weight gain fluctuates? As someone who did the math said, it is average overall and that is all that matters.<br><br>
I hope you are looking carefully at the kellymom links.
 
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