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First a bit of background, for those who are experienced with elimination diets...<br><br>
Hi all, I am hoping someone can help me. My son's teachers are pressuring me to put him on ritalin, and I have started him on an ADD diet which involves eliminating dairy, corn, junk food, processed meats, and lowering sugar, and such:<br><a href="http://www.oneaddplace.com/add-diet.php" target="_blank">http://www.oneaddplace.com/add-diet.php</a><br><br>
With Feingold in mind, I am also trying to avoid all processed foods, especially those with weird chemicals, colorings, etc. (But I am not eliminating fruits.) And I saw that eggs can be an irritant for many people, so I have eliminated them, which means no mayo, which makes sandwiches hard for him.<br><br>
And adding omega 3 supplements, colloidal minerals, jasmine tea in the morning, and just tons of fruits (he hates veggies), brown rice, brown bread, salmon, etc. whole foods.<br><br>
My thought is to do this as an elimination diet, by doing the diet perfectly for two weeks and then one by one testing each item by adding it back for a few days. (Even if the junk food tests out neutral, I'd not add it back in much at all; this diet has been a kick in the butt to really get better food into this kid in general!).<br><br><br>
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Okay here's the update. After 3 or 4 weeks of the diet, there was no change. THen BAM he did awesome! It was like he was a new kid. After 3 weeks of this, I put him back on dairy as a test. He got really bad on about day 3. I let it run for about 2 weeks...Then couldn't take it any more and took him off dairy. It's now been another 4 weeks off dairy, and there has been no improvement.<br><br>
Was the great period just a fluke? I am a single mom, and he's a picky eater. many of the lunch foods he was willing to eat (brown rice, whole wheat pita with humus) he is now sick of, and it's just so hard to feed him without dairy (which he loves) and at least some processed foods. This week I decided to cheat and let him have tortillas, so that he can have burritos, and now he's thrilled to have that as an option. I feel battle fatigue with maintaining the diet plus all of the other ways I need to support him in his ADD-like problems.<br><br>
Any input?
 

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Some things do take longer than others to get out of your system. They say up to a couple weeks for dairy, and up to a month for gluten, so it is possible it's one of those longer culprits.<br><br>
Since you say that he eats a lot of fruit, I'm hoping someone else will chime in about the bucket theory and sals since I don't know much about it except that it's in a lot of fruits. I just can't remember what it does to you.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Some things do take longer than others to get out of your system. They say up to a couple weeks for dairy, and up to a month for gluten, so it is possible it's one of those longer culprits.<br><br>
Since you say that he eats a lot of fruit, I'm hoping someone else will chime in about the bucket theory and sals since I don't know much about it except that it's in a lot of fruits. I just can't remember what it does to you.</div>
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Hi Kathy, Thanks for your input. It seems like we should be out of the dairy shadow by now. Fruits I'm afraid to eliminate because he hates veggies and there are so few foods he is allowed that he is also willing to eat. Mind you many days he goes without fruit of any kind, again, that pickiness thing! I am just feeling at my wits end with finding nutritious foods that he is willing to eat that are also on his diet.
 

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I don't think a great period can be a fluke. Confusing to figure out, yes, but at least for my kids, when they feel bad (on some level, not necessarily the blatant my-stomach-hurts level, they behave badly). So something was different. I'd start journalling (it _is_ a pain) and see if you can either see foods that are present all the time, or foods that are trending up or down.<br><br>
Salicylates are a natural food chemical, they're present in varying amounts--I think grapes have a lot, honey, most berries. But you'd need a list--maybe if you scanned the list, just to get an idea, and then at some point compare it to your food journal (which has behavior stuff too).<br><br>
I'd also be suspicious of gluten, it's pretty problematic. It seems like my kids started being more comfortable with a wider variety of foods when we took out gluten and dairy--or maybe that was my desperation saying "THIS is our food, it's all we've got." <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment"><br><br>
How really, really picky is he? Some kids can be picky eaters because they're low in zinc. You'd need to look into it, and usually it takes several months to see a change (my kids weren't picky, but their zinc's low and it's taken a lot more time to correct) but something to read about perhaps. And it may make your life easier.
 

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Some fruits are higher in sals than others. I coudn't find an easy list ATM, but off the top of my head, pears, Asian pears, golden delicious apples, red delicious apples (but not other apples), bananas, pomegranite, and persimmons are all lower rather than higher sals. By focusing on those fruits, you might be able to lower the sals load.<br><br>
I'd also make sure he's getting plenty of folate, b12, b6, mag, calcium and molybdenum. Those are all nutrients that tend to be in short supply, and that are used by the body to detox the various food/environmental/biological chemicals that you're looking at.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I'd also be suspicious of gluten, it's pretty problematic. It seems like my kids started being more comfortable with a wider variety of foods when we took out gluten and dairy--or maybe that was my desperation saying "THIS is our food, it's all we've got." <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment"><br><br>
How really, really picky is he? Some kids can be picky eaters because they're low in zinc. You'd need to look into it, and usually it takes several months to see a change (my kids weren't picky, but their zinc's low and it's taken a lot more time to correct) but something to read about perhaps. And it may make your life easier.</div>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Some fruits are higher in sals than others. I coudn't find an easy list ATM, but off the top of my head, pears, Asian pears, golden delicious apples, red delicious apples (but not other apples), bananas, pomegranite, and persimmons are all lower rather than higher sals. By focusing on those fruits, you might be able to lower the sals load.<br><br>
I'd also make sure he's getting plenty of folate, b12, b6, mag, calcium and molybdenum. Those are all nutrients that tend to be in short supply, and that are used by the body to detox the various food/environmental/biological chemicals that you're looking at.</div>
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I'd be looking at what nutrients he may not be getting enough of on this new diet and looking for some way to cover those bases. I'd also take into consideration what nutrients might get depleted by a reaction to dairy... I think whoMe's list plus the zinc suggested by Tanya pretty much covers it... although I seem to remember some link between dairy and biotin?
 

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A TON of ADD type kids react to salicylates - and that means fruits, almonds, ketchup and other tomato products, honey...<br><br>
I'd take a guess that the short stint you had where he was great, perhaps he hadn't had much fruit for a day or two?<br><br>
I'd suggest restricting fruit to pears and bananas for a week (apples are lower in sals but still seem to cause lots of issues, so I'd skip those for the test) - you'll know by then whether this is an issue or not. If it is, you can work on supplements that will build his salicylates tolerance (and you can probably add back in things like eggs).<br><br>
And magnesium deficiency in particular often causes ADD type symptoms, so I'd try Epsom salts baths (2c of Epsom salts in a warm bath every night for 20 min).
 

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I do give him vitamins from the health food store (so no artificial ingredients).<br><br>
I am feeling like I need to quit. We could try gluten, but honestly I feel like there's so little he can eat now.
 

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FWIW, I was in a very similar situation a year and a half ago. I was told by the school that his behaviour needed to change some how. Luckily, they'd had another student whose mother had taken him to an awesome allergist and got both IgE and IgG testing. We did the same thing with ds1 and, according to his teachers, you wouldn't believe it's the same child.<br>
Part of the problem is that any food can produce any symptom. however, there are some which tend to be the "big guns"- including dairy and gluten. The other part of the problem that the only allergy test that is 100% accurate is elimination.<br>
I completely empathize with the feeling of "this is too much" and "there's nothing to eat!" We are gluten, dairy, egg, coconut, peanut, berry, food dye and (most) tree nut free as well as being light on bananas, soy, goitrogens (brassicas), amaranth... I think I'm missing something... And we're staring down the sals barrel as well now. This weekend, we added corn into the fray to keep our guests safe and that was an eye-opener.<br>
Anyway, there's a bunch of us here who have btdt and we can help. We can't do it for you but we can provide meal and snack ideas. support and information.<br><br>
eta: it's also worth noting that often allergens are craved... particularly dairy and gluten which, when not properly digested produce morphine-like substances.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I do give him vitamins from the health food store (so no artificial ingredients).<br><br>
I am feeling like I need to quit. We could try gluten, but honestly I feel like there's so little he can eat now.</div>
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Been there - we were corn, dairy, gluten, soy, potato, sugars, and sals free for a while (that list doesn't look long enough, somehow). You will find things to eat, and when you find the place where he is easy and calm, then you can likely add things back in.<br><br>
One question on the vitamins - are they fruit flavored? My sals sensitive kid can eat quite a few sals now, including fruit, but fruit flavored vitamins still cause HUGE reactions. They're very concentrated salicylates, especially if they are berry or cherry flavored (but even orange flavored is too much for my guy).
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Been there - we were corn, dairy, gluten, soy, potato, sugars, and sals free for a while (<span style="text-decoration:underline;">that list doesn't look long enough, somehow</span>). You will find things to eat, and when you find the place where he is easy and calm, then you can likely add things back in.<br><br>
One question on the vitamins - are they fruit flavored? My sals sensitive kid can eat quite a few sals now, including fruit, but fruit flavored vitamins still cause HUGE reactions. They're very concentrated salicylates, especially if they are berry or cherry flavored (but even orange flavored is too much for my guy).</div>
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probably bc the longest part of it is summed up with one abbreviation. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngtongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick Out Tongue">
 

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LOL - you are so right. "sals" is a deceptively small word, isn't it!! I just sat there looking at the list, thinking - damn, it sure felt more restricted than that...<br><br>
So... we've been doing a stealth trial of gluten. Mostly sprouted (I sprouted, dehydrated, and ground flour, I'm so proud of myself!), and easy on the volume. But it's been a week now, and no behavioral reactions (in the past, like dairy, gluten made him withdraw into his own little world). Man. If gluten flies, we would only be corn, high sals fruits, and chocolate free. Still making most things from scratch, since I'm trying to feed DS the most digestible stuff I can, but still.<br><br>
And can I just say how truly weird it was to go grocery shopping yesterday? I did not buy 17 kinds of flour, 3 kinds of milk, or give evil looks to the samples ladies trying to feed my child. So strange.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">LOL - you are so right. "sals" is a deceptively small word, isn't it!! I just sat there looking at the list, thinking - damn, it sure felt more restricted than that...<br><br>
So... we've been doing a stealth trial of gluten. Mostly sprouted (I sprouted, dehydrated, and ground flour, I'm so proud of myself!), and easy on the volume. But it's been a week now, and no behavioral reactions (in the past, like dairy, gluten made him withdraw into his own little world). Man. If gluten flies, we would only be corn, high sals fruits, and chocolate free. Still making most things from scratch, since I'm trying to feed DS the most digestible stuff I can, but still.<br><br>
And can I just say how truly weird it was to go grocery shopping yesterday? I did not buy 17 kinds of flour, 3 kinds of milk, or give evil looks to the samples ladies trying to feed my child. So strange.</div>
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Oh geez - sorry OP, I thought this was the chat thread when I posted!!<br><br>
And JR, <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love">.
 

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I seem to have that effect on people. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment"> Which is how the chat thread was born! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/joy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="joy"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="innocent"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/joy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="joy">
 
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