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Anyone ever heard of such an herbal remedy???

Natural healing arts practitioners have always had a better handle on how to build up your immune system to prevent you from allowing the latest germ to gain a foothold or at least make it a mild illness of short duration.

So it is with avian flu. We already know that at least one herbal product now on the market has been tested against avian flu and killed it within 20 minutes. We also know that some homeopathic product manufacturers have already updated some of their products, as they do every year, to address the latest flu germs so avian flu isn't scary to them either. And, of course, those who use vitamins and minerals to keep their immune systems up and running as well as address various illnesses also have their protocols lined up.

But we can't tell you about any of these methods of helping you stay alive and well during what is said to be a world-wide outbreak of a new mutated germ.

WHY? Because, under current law, health claims for these natural products is illegal. Should we tell you about these products, the FDA can come in, seize the products and charge the executives of the company with a crime that could land them in jail.

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Some herbal products allude to their function or usefulness without ever actually stating anything. In fact I read one today that actually said something like: FDA does not allow any claims to be made regarding the use of this product... And then went on to paint a rather clear picture of why one might want it, and how it might be used in a hypothetical situation.

I know that's how they sell stevia now after the Celestial Seasonings raid.

Wish someone in the co in the article had the cajones to do that...

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Avian Flu Epidemic Scare is a Hoax*

"If you have been viewing the media you must have seen the scare the
media and the president are seeking to orchestrate on you and the
public. According to a draft of the government's plan to fight a
potentially cataclysmic pandemic this new avian super-flu could
kill nearly *TWO MILLION* Americans.

But I nearly fell out of my seat in the airplane as I was flying back
from a conference in Ft. Lauderdale when I read that in the BEST-case
scenario, only 200,000 people might die.

Then they post the frightening picture from the 1918 flu epidemic to
heighten the fear. It just amazes me how they can get away with this
type of reporting that is so obviously manipulated by the government
drug companies to scare you into taking the flu vaccine.

The popular media continues to reinforce this unbased fear. In the
editorial section of the October 17, 2005 issue of the Wall Street
Journal, Dr. Henry ******, former director of the Office of
Biotechnology at the FDA, seeks to frighten the US public by telling
that the avian flu virus can jump from birds to humans and produce a
fatal illness in 50% of those infected.

Ah there's the rub. 50% fatality rate sounds pretty scary to me. What
Dr. ****** and the other experts fail to explain is how these numbers
were derived. Did they examine everyone who contracted the avian flu
use those numbers or did they examine the sickest of the sick who had
come down with the avian flu and determine the mortality from there?

Of course it was the later, and from the 60 people who have died from
this in THIRD world countries we are being told that anywhere from
200,000 AT BEST to two million people at worst will die from the
avian flu.

This is shody science at best and beyond belief that any reputable
scientist could get away with such nonsense.

*Daily Show Parody*

Fortunately contemporary comedians can see right through this
Here are the links to Jon Stewart's scathing and brilliant Daily Show
piece on bird flu. But I have to warn you that it may cause you to
yourself from laughing so hard, especially the World Health expert
comments on the avian flu killing 150 million people and even funnier
comment of George Bush on bird to people transmission.

Quicktime Link (106 MB)

MP3 Link (6.7 MB)

*What Happened to Common Sense?*

The avian flu epidemic hoax reminds me just how uncommon "common
is. Folks where is the sound basic science here? How do they make the
giant leap of faith that 60 deaths will translate to 2 million or even
200,00 deaths in the US from a virus that does NOT readily spread from
birds to humans or humans to humans?

Most of the people who acquired this infection were bird handlers who
were in continuous contact with these sick birds. Does anyone in their
right mind envision similar circumstances in the US?

Research like this would typically be thrown in the trash if it did
strongly support some ulterior purpose.

What might the purpose of these scare tactics be you ask?

Well how about the US purchasing huge quantities of antiviral drugs
an increase in flu vaccine production along with purchasing 20 million
doses of the highly questionably effective Tamiflu. Guess how much one
treatment of Tamiflu costs? Give yourself a slap on the back if you
guessed $100.

*Donald Rumsfeld to Profit Big Time*

So those 20 million doses the government has authorized will cost US
Taxpayers *2 BILLION dollars*.

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld will likely profit handsomely from
announcement the government is purchasing $2 billion of Tamiflu, the
drug developed by Gilead Sciences when Rumsfeld was president of the
company. He is reported to hold major portions of stock in Gilead

Not very different from his previous experience with aspartame
where he was president of Searle and was able to get asparatame
after being blocked by the FDA for more than a decade.

Now I think very few of us would mind if this drug actually worked and
prevented even a few people from dying. But does it do that? Not
About all anyone can expect from this drug is that it might make the
symptoms a bit less severe. On the downside (aside from setting you
$100) Dr. Tenpenny explained in her Flu Tele Clinic
<> last
week Tamiflu can actually cause the virus to mutate into a more
dangerous and potent viral strain.

Yesterday US Congress asked Roche, the maker of Tamiflu to suspend its
patent and have others make it because they could not likely keep up
with the demand, but of course Roche refused
saying Tamiflu is hard to make and it would take another company three
years to "get up to speed".

What they were really saying is they could care less about the public,
what their primary focus on was to not share their windfall profits
mandated by the US Congress.

*Worthless Flu Shots*

Of course let us not forget the flu shots which many will use get when
they confuse avian flu with the regular flu. Please understand even if
you believe the flu shots work, the flu shot you can now purchase is
no way shape or form designed to protect you against the flu. They are
completely different strains. (Avian flu is H5N1 strain).

But rest assured the makers of flu vaccines will not lose this unusal
opportunity to rape the American public of even more profits. Today we
learned that those getting the flu shotsmay see a 25% increase in
at clinics, doctors' offices and medical centers
because of increases in the wholesale cost of the vaccines.

*History Repeats Itself*

Investigative journalist Ida Honorof for decades published a consumer
newsletter and broadcast a regular radio program. Honorof received a
first prize award from Associated Press for investigative journalism.
The Los Angeles Times and other publications credited her with
some of the biggest horror stories of our time.

Ida Honorof wrote, "the most brazen, obscene electioneering ploy" ever
and added that it was proposed by the President "and his coterie of
scientific hacks, fabricated to cause pure unadulterated panic and
guarantee political capital, rammed through without consideration of
people's health and lives and approved by a band-wagon Congress" eager
to make the nation's "health" a bipartisan concern.

The above quote was not written about the avian flu epidemic but the 5
million swine-flu vaccine program of 30 years ago. The hastily
program for swine flu resulted in hundreds of Guillain Barre Syndrome
paralysis victims as well as countless deaths for a flu pandemic that
never materialized.

The pocketbook purloining proposed by the Senate is more than 3,000
cent greater than that of 30 years ago! Has your paycheck increased
3,000 per cent in the last 30 years?

*Practical Options*

First step for anyone caught up in this avian flu hype nonsense is to
take a deep breath and relax and realize the truth here. Unless you
full time bird handler in a third world country that has a seriously
challenged immune system you probably have a much better chance of
wining the lottery than dying from the proposed avian flu epidemic.

USA Today October 8, 2005

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It hasn't mutated yet - thatis why I don't understand everyone stressing over it.
That's what I thought what is why I asked. How can they have a herbal remedy for something which hasn't mutated. Combined with the we know but can't tell you it sounds like a con.

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Originally Posted by CarrieMF
That's what I thought what is why I asked. How can they have a herbal remedy for something which hasn't mutated. Combined with the we know but can't tell you it sounds like a con.

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there are basic antiviral herbs and general immune support. i don't see why these wouldn't work on bird flu as well as anything else.

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nd as far as advertising what an herbal prep does they can do it the LLL way:

what has worked for many people with bird flu . . .some people with bird flu . . . . if I had bird flu . . . ancient traditions claim . . . .but ther eis no scientific fact and I am not qualified to tell you how much of this to take . . . .

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Originally Posted by libba
It hasn't mutated yet - thatis why I don't understand everyone stressing over it.

I was thinking about this today too, perhaps in an effort to calm myself down about it... and, if the virus did mutate such that it could be passed from person to person, might it not *also* mutate to be less virulent? I mean, there seem to be so many hypotheticals here. Can they really predict how mutations will occur? I always thought mutations were random.

I understand that some scientists don't believe that this virus will become a human pandemic because it has been around for a long time, and still has not experienced the *correct* mutation to make it communicable between humans. On the other hand, something weird happened this year, because for the first time (I think) it started spreading out of Asia via migrating birds, which, I suppose, gives it more opportunities to jump to humans.
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