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Anyone ever heard of such an herbal remedy???<br><br><a href="http://www.newswithviews.com/Dean/carolyn17.htm" target="_blank">http://www.newswithviews.com/Dean/carolyn17.htm</a><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">Natural healing arts practitioners have always had a better handle on how to build up your immune system to prevent you from allowing the latest germ to gain a foothold or at least make it a mild illness of short duration.<br><br>
So it is with avian flu. <b>We already know that at least one herbal product now on the market has been tested against avian flu and killed it within 20 minutes</b>. We also know that some homeopathic product manufacturers have already updated some of their products, as they do every year, to address the latest flu germs so avian flu isn't scary to them either. And, of course, those who use vitamins and minerals to keep their immune systems up and running as well as address various illnesses also have their protocols lined up.<br><br><b>But we can't tell you</b> about any of these methods of helping you stay alive and well during what is said to be a world-wide outbreak of a new mutated germ.<br><br><b>WHY?</b> Because, under current law, health claims for these natural products is illegal. Should we tell you about these products, the FDA can come in, seize the products and charge the executives of the company with a crime that could land them in jail.</td>
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They should and could spill the beans about the herbal remedy. All they'll need is a great attorney and a bunch of craftily worded disclaimers. You know, kind of like the pharm companies. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:<br>
Thanks for the links.<br><br>
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Some herbal products allude to their function or usefulness without ever actually stating anything. In fact I read one today that actually said something like: FDA does not allow any claims to be made regarding the use of this product... And then went on to paint a rather clear picture of why one might want it, and how it might be used in a hypothetical situation.<br><br>
I know that's how they sell stevia now after the Celestial Seasonings raid.<br><br>
Wish someone in the co in the article had the cajones to do that...
 

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So, is there a shortcut or do we basically have to flex our knowledge of herbs and homeopatics and connect our own dots?<br><br>
Couldn't some person from another country without such strong/lame regulations spill a bean or two?
 

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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">But we can't tell you about any of these methods of helping you stay alive and well during what is said to be a world-wide outbreak of a new mutated germ.</td>
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When did it mutate into a human form?
 

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It hasn't mutated yet - thatis why I don't understand everyone stressing over it. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="innocent">
 

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Avian Flu Epidemic Scare is a Hoax*<br><br>
"If you have been viewing the media you must have seen the scare the<br>
media and the president are seeking to orchestrate on you and the<br>
public. According to a draft of the government's plan to fight a<br>
potentially cataclysmic pandemic this new avian super-flu could<br>
kill nearly *TWO MILLION* Americans.<br><br>
But I nearly fell out of my seat in the airplane as I was flying back<br>
from a conference in Ft. Lauderdale when I read that in the BEST-case<br>
scenario, only 200,000 people might die.<br><br>
Then they post the frightening picture from the 1918 flu epidemic to<br>
heighten the fear. It just amazes me how they can get away with this<br>
type of reporting that is so obviously manipulated by the government<br>
and<br>
drug companies to scare you into taking the flu vaccine.<br><br>
The popular media continues to reinforce this unbased fear. In the<br>
editorial section of the October 17, 2005 issue of the Wall Street<br>
Journal, Dr. Henry ******, former director of the Office of<br>
Biotechnology at the FDA, seeks to frighten the US public by telling<br>
us<br>
that the avian flu virus can jump from birds to humans and produce a<br>
fatal illness in 50% of those infected.<br><br>
Ah there's the rub. 50% fatality rate sounds pretty scary to me. What<br>
Dr. ****** and the other experts fail to explain is how these numbers<br>
were derived. Did they examine everyone who contracted the avian flu<br>
and<br>
use those numbers or did they examine the sickest of the sick who had<br>
come down with the avian flu and determine the mortality from there?<br><br>
Of course it was the later, and from the 60 people who have died from<br>
this in THIRD world countries we are being told that anywhere from<br>
200,000 AT BEST to two million people at worst will die from the<br>
avian flu.<br><br>
This is shody science at best and beyond belief that any reputable<br>
scientist could get away with such nonsense.<br><br>
*Daily Show Parody*<br><br>
Fortunately contemporary comedians can see right through this<br>
nonsense.<br>
Here are the links to Jon Stewart's scathing and brilliant Daily Show<br>
piece on bird flu. But I have to warn you that it may cause you to<br>
hurt<br>
yourself from laughing so hard, especially the World Health expert<br>
comments on the avian flu killing 150 million people and even funnier<br>
comment of George Bush on bird to people transmission.<br><br>
Quicktime Link (106 MB)<br>
<<a href="http://video.lisarein.com/dailyshow/oct2005/10-06-05/10-6-05-" target="_blank">http://video.lisarein.com/dailyshow/...06-05/10-6-05-</a><br>
avianflu.mov><br><br>
MP3 Link (6.7 MB)<br>
<<a href="http://video.lisarein.com/dailyshow/oct2005/10-06-05/mp3/10-6-05-" target="_blank">http://video.lisarein.com/dailyshow/...5/mp3/10-6-05-</a><br>
avianflu.mp3><br><br><br>
*What Happened to Common Sense?*<br><br>
The avian flu epidemic hoax reminds me just how uncommon "common<br>
sense"<br>
is. Folks where is the sound basic science here? How do they make the<br>
giant leap of faith that 60 deaths will translate to 2 million or even<br>
200,00 deaths in the US from a virus that does NOT readily spread from<br>
birds to humans or humans to humans?<br><br>
Most of the people who acquired this infection were bird handlers who<br>
were in continuous contact with these sick birds. Does anyone in their<br>
right mind envision similar circumstances in the US?<br><br>
Research like this would typically be thrown in the trash if it did<br>
not<br>
strongly support some ulterior purpose.<br><br>
What might the purpose of these scare tactics be you ask?<br><br>
Well how about the US purchasing huge quantities of antiviral drugs<br>
and<br>
an increase in flu vaccine production along with purchasing 20 million<br>
doses of the highly questionably effective Tamiflu. Guess how much one<br>
treatment of Tamiflu costs? Give yourself a slap on the back if you<br>
guessed $100.<br><br>
*Donald Rumsfeld to Profit Big Time*<br><br>
So those 20 million doses the government has authorized will cost US<br>
Taxpayers *2 BILLION dollars*.<br><br>
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld will likely profit handsomely from<br>
the<br>
announcement the government is purchasing $2 billion of Tamiflu, the<br>
drug developed by Gilead Sciences when Rumsfeld was president of the<br>
company. He is reported to hold major portions of stock in Gilead<br><br>
Not very different from his previous experience with aspartame<br>
<<a href="http://www.mercola.com/display/2005/jan/12/rumsfeld_aspartame.htm" target="_blank">http://www.mercola.com/display/2005/jan/12/rumsfeld_aspartame.htm</a>><br>
where he was president of Searle and was able to get asparatame<br>
approved<br>
after being blocked by the FDA for more than a decade.<br><br>
Now I think very few of us would mind if this drug actually worked and<br>
prevented even a few people from dying. But does it do that? Not<br>
really.<br>
About all anyone can expect from this drug is that it might make the<br>
symptoms a bit less severe. On the downside (aside from setting you<br>
back<br>
$100) Dr. Tenpenny explained in her Flu Tele Clinic<br>
<<a href="http://www.mercola.com/forms/seminars/teleclinic/flu/index.htm" target="_blank">http://www.mercola.com/forms/seminars/teleclinic/flu/index.htm</a>> last<br>
week Tamiflu can actually cause the virus to mutate into a more<br>
dangerous and potent viral strain.<br><br>
Yesterday US Congress asked Roche, the maker of Tamiflu to suspend its<br>
patent and have others make it because they could not likely keep up<br>
with the demand, but of course Roche refused<br>
<<a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2005-10-17-tamiflu-usat_x.htm" target="_blank">http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2005-10-17-tamiflu-usat_x.htm</a>><br>
saying Tamiflu is hard to make and it would take another company three<br>
years to "get up to speed".<br><br>
What they were really saying is they could care less about the public,<br>
what their primary focus on was to not share their windfall profits<br>
mandated by the US Congress.<br><br>
*Worthless Flu Shots*<br><br>
Of course let us not forget the flu shots which many will use get when<br>
they confuse avian flu with the regular flu. Please understand even if<br>
you believe the flu shots work, the flu shot you can now purchase is<br>
in<br>
no way shape or form designed to protect you against the flu. They are<br>
completely different strains. (Avian flu is H5N1 strain).<br><br>
But rest assured the makers of flu vaccines will not lose this unusal<br>
opportunity to rape the American public of even more profits. Today we<br>
learned that those getting the flu shotsmay see a 25% increase in<br>
prices<br>
at clinics, doctors' offices and medical centers<br>
<<a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2005-10-17-flu-shots-usat_x.htm" target="_blank">http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2005-10-17-flu-shots-usat_x.htm</a>><br>
because of increases in the wholesale cost of the vaccines.<br><br>
*History Repeats Itself*<br><br>
Investigative journalist Ida Honorof for decades published a consumer<br>
newsletter and broadcast a regular radio program. Honorof received a<br>
first prize award from Associated Press for investigative journalism.<br>
The Los Angeles Times and other publications credited her with<br>
breaking<br>
some of the biggest horror stories of our time.<br><br>
Ida Honorof wrote, "the most brazen, obscene electioneering ploy" ever<br>
and added that it was proposed by the President "and his coterie of<br>
scientific hacks, fabricated to cause pure unadulterated panic and<br>
guarantee political capital, rammed through without consideration of<br>
people's health and lives and approved by a band-wagon Congress" eager<br>
to make the nation's "health" a bipartisan concern.<br><br>
The above quote was not written about the avian flu epidemic but the 5<br>
million swine-flu vaccine program of 30 years ago. The hastily<br>
contrived<br>
program for swine flu resulted in hundreds of Guillain Barre Syndrome<br>
paralysis victims as well as countless deaths for a flu pandemic that<br>
never materialized.<br><br>
The pocketbook purloining proposed by the Senate is more than 3,000<br>
per<br>
cent greater than that of 30 years ago! Has your paycheck increased<br>
3,000 per cent in the last 30 years?<br><br>
*Practical Options*<br><br>
First step for anyone caught up in this avian flu hype nonsense is to<br>
take a deep breath and relax and realize the truth here. Unless you<br>
are<br>
full time bird handler in a third world country that has a seriously<br>
challenged immune system you probably have a much better chance of<br>
wining the lottery than dying from the proposed avian flu epidemic.<br><br>
USA Today October 8, 2005<br>
<<a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2005-10-08-flu-pandemic_x.htm" target="_blank">http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2005-10-08-flu-pandemic_x.htm</a>>
 

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That's what I thought what is why I asked. How can they have a herbal remedy for something which hasn't mutated. Combined with the we know but can't tell you it sounds like a con.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">That's what I thought what is why I asked. How can they have a herbal remedy for something which hasn't mutated. Combined with the we know but can't tell you it sounds like a con.</div>
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there are basic antiviral herbs and general immune support. i don't see why these wouldn't work on bird flu as well as anything else.
 

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nd as far as advertising what an herbal prep does they can do it the LLL way:<br><br>
what has worked for many people with bird flu . . .some people with bird flu . . . . if I had bird flu . . . ancient traditions claim . . . .but ther eis no scientific fact and I am not qualified to tell you how much of this to take . . . .
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: Good Grief... I hate when people say stupid stuff like we can't tell you.<br><br>
Here it is<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">It hasn't mutated yet - thatis why I don't understand everyone stressing over it. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="innocent"></div>
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I was thinking about this today too, perhaps in an effort to calm myself down about it... and, if the virus did mutate such that it could be passed from person to person, might it not *also* mutate to be less virulent? I mean, there seem to be so many hypotheticals here. Can they really predict how mutations will occur? I always thought mutations were random.<br><br>
I understand that some scientists don't believe that this virus will become a human pandemic because it has been around for a long time, and still has not experienced the *correct* mutation to make it communicable between humans. On the other hand, something weird happened this year, because for the first time (I think) it started spreading out of Asia via migrating birds, which, I suppose, gives it more opportunities to jump to humans.
 
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