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"India Nurtures Business of Surrogacy."<br><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/10/world/asia/10surrogate.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&ref=health&pagewanted=all" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/10/wo...pagewanted=all</a><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">An enterprise known as reproductive outsourcing is a new but rapidly expanding business in India. Clinics that provide surrogate mothers for foreigners say they have recently been inundated with requests from the United States and Europe, as word spreads of India’s mix of skilled medical professionals, relatively liberal laws and low prices.<br><br>
Commercial surrogacy, which is banned in some states and some European countries, was legalized in India in 2002.<br><br>
... In the Mumbai clinic, it is clear that an exchange between rich and poor is under way. On some contracts, the thumbprint of an illiterate surrogate stands out against the clients’ signatures.</td>
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The idea of surrogacy as a booming wartime industry is making my skin crawl.<br><br><br>
ETA: Also note that the article mentions that in some / many cases the women are paid through the clinic they work for ~~~ HMMMM wonder how much their actual pay is docked?
 

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I think the women should be better reimbursed, and/ or that the government should place a minimum on reimbursement levels to make sure competition doesn't start offering it at a price too low for the mothers to be well compensated. Beyond that, though, I'm a little uncomfortable with the "These women are too poor and uneducated to know what they're doing" mentality. As long as they receive top quality medical care before and after, are properly reimbursed, and understand fully that they will have no legal right to the baby, I believe she should have a right to choose what she does with her body. Surrogacy is a far cry from donating a kidney for money. Birth is a natural process, taking out a kidney is not.
 

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<div>Originally Posted by <strong>meowee</strong> <a href="/community/forum/post/10762692"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/community/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a></div>
<div style="font-style:italic;">I think the women should be better reimbursed, and/ or that the government should place a minimum on reimbursement levels to make sure competition doesn't start offering it at a price too low for the mothers to be well compensated. Beyond that, though, I'm a little uncomfortable with the "These women are too poor and uneducated to know what they're doing" mentality. As long as they receive top quality medical care before and after, are properly reimbursed, and understand fully that they will have no legal right to the baby, <b>I believe she should have a right to choose what she does with her body.</b> Surrogacy is a far cry from donating a kidney for money. Birth is a natural process, taking out a kidney is not.</div>
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I really don't think it's Freedom Of Choice when these women don't have any other way to make this kind of money. I don't think it's a matter of them not KNOWING what they're doing, I think it's a matter of them not having the ability to CHOOSE anything else that would offer them comparable wages.<br><br>
And <i>beyond that</i>, the idea that <i>women</i> and <i>children</i> are <i><span style="text-decoration:underline;">commodities</span></i> for capitalist consumption ~ well, that's pretty disgusting IMO.
 

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<div>Originally Posted by <strong>Aura_Kitten</strong> <a href="/community/forum/post/10764310"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/community/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a></div>
<div style="font-style:italic;">I really don't think it's Freedom Of Choice when these women don't have any other way to make this kind of money. I don't think it's a matter of them not KNOWING what they're doing, I think it's a matter of them not having the ability to CHOOSE anything else that would offer them comparable wages.<br><br>
And <i>beyond that</i>, the idea that <i>women</i> and <i>children</i> are <i><span style="text-decoration:underline;">commodities</span></i> for capitalist consumption ~ well, that's pretty disgusting IMO.</div>
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I don't think things are that simple. People put their bodies and selves thruogh dangerous stuff everyday because they have no other choice. At least in this situation there is more likely to be safer and healthier because their is a vested intrested in keeping the mom healthy. There does need to be regulations like OP stated but I am not devistated the human body as a commodity is any job that is "manual" labor. There is many jobs were human life/body is a commodity and this could be one of the safer ones.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I don't think things are that simple. <b>People put their bodies and selves through dangerous stuff everyday because they have no other choice.</b></div>
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That doesn't make it right.<br><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">At least in this situation there is more likely to be safer and healthier because their is a vested interest in keeping the mom healthy. There does need to be regulations like OP stated but I am not devastated the human body as a commodity is any job that is "manual" labor. There is many jobs were human life/body is a commodity and this could be one of the safer ones.</div>
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So an impoverished mama takes this job to feed and clothe or house or own children, and is well-taken care of for the 9-10 months it takes to grow a babe ~ and <i>then</i> what? She's turned out onto the streets again, unless she wants to keep breeding?<br><br>
While I agree that "birth is as safe as life gets" for healthy, well-nourished women without multiple back-to-back pregnancies, I highly doubt that repeated pregnancies for otherwise very impoverished women can be safe and healthy. Maybe safer and healthier than them bearing their OWN children, but not safe and healthy. Ultimately we should ask if it's really morally ok that human lives are treated as commodities. I for one don't believe it is.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">That doesn't make it right.</div>
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Are you this opposed to surrogacy domestically? Because in terms of local economy and buying power, the women in this article are making more money than domestic surrogates. The midwife who was a surrogate made 10X her yearly salary. A domestic surrogate is compensated about $20-30,000, which isn't much money in terms of buying power in the US (you could never buy a house, for example, like the midwife did).<br><br>
Why are you assuming these particular women are malnourished or physically fragile? They screen women for health problems before accepting them into the surrogacy program.<br><br>
People put their bodies and minds at risk all the time to earn money. I would think that of all places, on MDC is would be recognized that birth is almost always a safe and natural process, and that surrogacy is an amazing gift.
 

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Why am I assuming these particular women are malnourished or physically fragile? ~~ FROM THE ARTICLE:
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">“In a country <b>crippled by abject poverty</b>,” it asked, “how will the government body guarantee that women will not agree to surrogacy just to be able to eat two square meals a day?”</td>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">People put their bodies and minds at risk all the time to earn money.</div>
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And AGAIN, I quote this and say, <i><b>This doesn't make it right,</b></i> which you seemed to misconstrue earlier.<br><br><br>
Am I this opposed to domestic surrogacy? ~~ I'm opposed to <b>for-profit</b> surrogacy, run corporations which say that BABIES are a COMMODITY to be BOUGHT and SOLD and which rely on women as the vehicle for these commodities. I'm particularly opposed when a for-profit corporation sets up shop in a Third-World country and pretends like it's doing everyone a service by exploiting impoverished women in an effort to provide goods or services to rich White people (and compared to poor women in India, all of the Western world is rich).<br><br><div style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#FF0000;">The commoditization<br>
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">Am I this opposed to domestic surrogacy? ~~ I'm opposed to for-profit surrogacy, run corporations which say that BABIES are a COMMODITY to be BOUGHT and SOLD and which rely on women as the vehicle for these commodities. I'm particularly opposed when a for-profit corporation sets up shop in a Third-World country and pretends like it's doing everyone a service by exploiting impoverished women in an effort to provide goods or services to rich White people (and compared to poor women in India, all of the Western world is rich).</td>
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This situation isn't that much different than buying a baby. In addition, I could easily see it being misused by rich women who don't want to 'get fat' in order to have a baby.<br><br>
I'm actually opposed to all surrogacy, it's exactly the same for a baby as being adopted and the life-long detrimental effects of adoption on adoptees are reasonably well studied (anyone ever read 'The Primal Wound'?).
 
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