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or is terrorism just threatening to do it.<br><br><a href="http://www.prweb.com/releases/2004/3/prwebxml114788.php" target="_blank">http://www.prweb.com/releases/2004/3/prwebxml114788.php</a>
 

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I'll bite... I'm exhausted and should be off to sleep, so excuse the blundering.<br><br>
I think it's alarmist gargabe. Even if I someday have to eat those words, that article does nothing but feed fear, create uncertainty, and create volatile fodder for conservative think tanks to chew on like a cow chews cud.<br><br>
Do I think we're in for more terrorist attacks? Absolutely, and that certainty is growing every day we bomb and torture and maim Iraqis... Do I think that the terrorist's goal is to get the liberals in power so that we can waffle into oblivion? No way.<br><br>
From the link:<br>
"What you saw happen on the Madrid trains is a preview to what is to come in the US after the elections are over. Everyone feels the Americans will not be able to handle what is coming when the bomb blast are a weekly event and become a common occurrence with no one's neighborhood being exempt from attacks.<br><br>
When it gets as bad as it can get over there the speculation will be wide ranging from nothing to total capitulation. With a liberal government seated in power what are they going to do? There will never be a clear cut enemy to place a finger on. The terrorist cells are there, in the U.S., waiting for the signal to begin, not only Al-Qaeda and Hamas but also Islamic Jihad and a wide assortment of sub-groups. "<br><br>
Fear, fear, fear. Yep, it's coming, but no, a mightier sword ain't gonna fix it.<br><br>
I'm not making sense I fear. MT, I want to be clear I'm not attacking you in any way for posting this. You find stuff I'd never see otherwise-- thank you.<br><br>
What's your view on the article, out of curiosity?
 

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It's hard to make him out. He considers that the Al Queda plan is world domination, and yet when you read his book he almost acts like he hates them.<br><br>
So my feeling about this sort of article, is that I adds to the knowledge about what strange people say. I'm neutral about its impact, and didn't post it to cause trouble. I guess my view is that its better for <b><span style="text-decoration:underline;">me</span></b> to have some grasp of radical world views, then my cranial alert base has a notation in it.<br><br>
I find some inconsistencies in the interview... I mean, what makes him think if there were mass bomb blasts before the elections, that there would even be elections. In that sort of scenario, I would imagine something like martial law would be a lot more likely.<br><br>
When I read it, it didn't make me angry, upset or nervous. I just thought "interesting... a somewhat whacky view, but then in August 2001, I never thought planes would fly into twin towers either."<br><br>
You could say my attitude is <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shrug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shrug"> .<br><br>
Either it will happen, or it won't. If it doesn't you'd consider it ranting of nuts, but if it did, then perhaps I'd have to re-evaluate my ideas.<br><br>
Like I said, 9/11 was inconceivable before.<br><br>
When "iraq" was first mentioned, I thought it would be inconceivable for about a month until I saw that Bush was on autopilot.<br><br>
I thought madrid was inconceivable as well.<br><br>
So now, I don't bother to think whether its conceivable or not.<br><br>
If it happens, it does. What can anyone do about it anyway...
 

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mmmm. thought provoking...<br><br>
it is not the Al Quada "terrorists" to be concerned with... but the "terrorists" in the white house.
 

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Maybe not. In view of a link Rowan's Dad put up.. <a href="http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2004/05/25/ap_exclusive_new_intelligence_suggests_terror_operatives_in_us_for_major_attack?mode=PF" target="_blank">http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...attack?mode=PF</a> which said
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The intelligence does not include a time, place or method of attack but is among the most disturbing received by the government since the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, according to a senior federal counterterrorism official who spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity Tuesday.<br><br>
Of most concern, the official said, is that <b>terrorists may possess and use a chemical, biological or radiological weapon that could cause much more damage and casualties than a conventional bomb.</b><br><br>
"There is clearly a steady drumbeat of information that they are going to attack and hit us hard," said the official, who described the intelligence as highly credible.<br><br>
The official declined to provide any specifics about the sources of the information but said there was an unusually high level of corroboration.</td>
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seems to me, there was more to this than flot.<br><br>
Stacie, the problem is the terrorist in the white house, has firmed up the intentions of the terrorists elsewhere...
 

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So true!<br><br>
But, if the terrorists in the white house are out of duty... will the other alleged terrorists disban? Get all of the illumanate out... go back to when our polititians worked for us, not their own globalist agendas.<br><br>
I beleive the "terrorists" are fighting against US globalization policies, get the pushers of this type of agenda out of seats of power. Would the terrorists still be there?<br><br>
The terrorists don't want our lifestyles, culture, religion. They don't want our presidents dictating our policies of control over their natural resources, their governments. They don't want our govt pushing toxic vaccines and drugs on them. They wan't to keep their own cultures, their native medicines, their lives.<br><br>
I'm not saying that terrorists are either right or wrong... I think our country really needs to view our policies on the world. Why are these groups banning together? Why do they want to attack the United States? They don't hate the United States because of our alleged freedoms. They hate the govt domineering and oppressive treatments towards them. They hate the policies our govt has crammed down their throats. They hate that the United States govt has a presence in their politics, steals their resources.<br><br>
Al Quada is CIA trained. The United States govt built the training camps. The CIA trained Al Quada to fight the Soviets way back when... this is our tax dollars working against us. The CIA wants control of the Afghan Opium trade. There is also an oil field in the Soviet Union just over the boarder in the Caspian landscape that can produce enough oil for (get this) 500 years... the only way to get it out is thru Afghanistan.. building a pipeline. Afghanistan also has good supplies of coal, copper and zinc. (source: Victor Thorn)<br><br>
We are not at war over a few people allegelly trying to fly large commercial aircraft into buildings when they people only could barely fly small planes. 911 is a smokescrean to create "patriotism" and "hatred" in the US population.. hatred against what??? "terrorists"?, "muslums"?... a group of men in caves with ancient United States weapons?<br><br>
I don't hate or even fear these "terrorists"... They aren't the terrorists who is planning and even being bold enough to tell us something is going to happen...makes ya wonder what the "controllers" have in mind this time? Bring in FEMA? put us in Martial Law? Bring in UN troops (they are already here!) Waiting...<br><br>
Paul Wolfowitz, George Bush Sr., Richard Clarke, Dick Chaney, Henry Kissinger, Frank Carlucci, James Baker... these are the terrorists... these are the "war machine"..
 

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i read both the AP article, and the CNN article about this.<br><br>
i think their phrasing is weird...<br><br>
first, CNN uses this ridiculously alarmist headline: <i>Sources: Major terror attack possible this summer</i><br><br>
note the use of the word "Major."<br><br>
so people read it and think, "OMG I SHOULD BE SCARED."<br><br>
then you read the article...<br><br>
and "<i>Although there is no specific target, time or date for the possible attack, the information is the culmination of intelligence that has been known and gathered over time -- and it is the assessment that is new, the sources said.</i>"<br><br>
HMM.<br><br>
then it goes on to say that three major city police departments -- New York, Boston, and LA -- all denied that "<i>terrorists are known to be in the United States actively plotting such an attack</i>."<br><br>
and: <i>"We are not aware of any <b>new</b> highly credible intelligence indicating a planned attack in the U.S. this summer," the official said. She added: "<b>Nothing in the current intelligence is exceptionally specific.</b></i>" (emphasis mine)<br><br>
on the one hand, i think it's a load of BS, because of those quotes.<br><br>
on the other hand, i have a loud voice inside me telling me that that's exactly what they want me to believe...
 

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People don't like change when they are afraid. As long as he can keep us afraid, Bush has a greater chance of being re-elected. Methinks we are going to see a lot of this between now and November.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">People don't like change when they are afraid. As long as he can keep us afraid, Bush has a greater chance of being re-elected. Methinks we are going to see a lot of this between now and November.</div>
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That aside, I wonder whether or not it would be a good idea to have a good look at your inventories, for things like batteries, water, basic foods, .. the stuff you should consider say for power outages through tornadoes. You know, ordinary Civil Defence stuff.<br><br>
But for a few more than 3 days. And maybe brush up on techniques in terms of how to cook on an open fire, or a clay oven.<br><br>
In some ways, it would make more sense for terrorists to create mayhem in winter when power outages would be far more serious.<br><br>
You could be right oceanbaby. But if you see it as a plot to keep Bush in power, do nothing, and it happens, they how would you manage if it were near you?<br><br>
What is the appropriate reaction to "fear"? Wouldn't it be better if you looked at working over the next few months to put in non=perishable supplies so that if TSHTF, then you have more flexibility than most might?<br><br>
We always have one month's food on hand anyway, because we are in an earthquake prone country, and rotate it all the time. we've never had to use it in emergency situations though. We are just always a month ahead of ourselves. It just makes sense to do so. In a situation like that, if everyone had one months supplies on hand, there would be far less panic.<br><br>
We have batteries, alternate sources of power, a good first aid kit, and we collect our own water anyway, so that's not an issue.<br><br>
Knowledge and action is the antidote to fear. And if it doesn't happen, you won't have wasted your time.
 

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good point about stocking of supplies. But that won't do you much good if FEMA comes in and rushes you and your family off to one of their detention centers for your safe keeping. According to excecutive order #xxxx (forgot) they can do just that. And yes, there are "camps", barbed wire camps located all over the United States. Are you on the "red" or "blue" list?<br><br>
The Bush regime will do anything to keep king george in the power seat he has stolen in the first place! Take these terror threats seriously. But, it is the government warning you that they are about to take action and destroy another large building or even a entire city. The question is how they are going to do it... nukes, chemical weapons, bioweapons? how many millions is the Bush regime going to kill this time? and blame it on "terrorists".
 

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They are setting us up, and I for one am sick of this charade "warning" crap. What color alert are we today?<br><br>
It's obvious: Bush's approval is as low as it's ever been. (Last time his rating hit rock bottom was just before 9/11/01) And there are things going on in midsummer that they would LOVE to block from happening at all: such as the Dem Convention in July...wouldn't they JUST love something to happen or almost happen at that time? Think of it.<br><br>
Yes, fear-mongering is so blatant and so important in their campaigning now, more than ever. And the nail has been hit on the head in saying that people in fear very likely feel less safe in making/accepting big changes....especially in wartime. And it Bush whose campaign has been circulating the meme about not changing presidents in wartime.<br><br>
I am not surprised at all by this "development". It's so predictable.<br><br>
So much for the confidence in the State of the Union Address 2003:<br><br>
"All told, more than 3,000 suspected terrorists have been arrested in many countries. Many others have met a different fate. Let's put it this way -- they are no longer a problem to the United States and our friends and allies. (Applause.)"<br><br>
> <a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030128-19.html" target="_blank">http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...030128-19.html</a> <<br><br>
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"We have the terrorists on the run. We're keeping them on the run. One by one, the terrorists are learning the meaning of American justice. (Applause.)"<br><br>
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Americans are a free people, who know that freedom is the right of every person and the future of every nation. The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity. (Applause.)<br><br>
We Americans have faith in ourselves, but not in ourselves alone. We do not know -- we do not claim to know all the ways of Providence, yet we can trust in them, placing our confidence in the loving God behind all of life, and all of history.<br><br>
May He guide us now. And may God continue to bless the United States of America. (Applause.)<br><br>
> <a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030128-19.html" target="_blank">http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...030128-19.html</a> <<br><br>
<I see god is on our/US side><br><br><br><br>
Compare these two articles:<br><br>
"This from summer 2002 -- BE VERY AFRAID!"<br><br>
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Intelligence gathered in recent weeks has raised concerns that terrorists may try to strike against the United States this summer, according to U.S. officials.<br><br>
There are "a lot of indications that something is up," one U.S. intelligence official said, but none suggesting what targets al Qaeda may hope to attack.<br><br>
The level of chatter overheard in the monitoring of individuals suspected of ties to al Qaeda and other groups has been high, officials said, as it was before the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon.<br>
> <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/07/02/july4.threat/" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/07/02/july4.threat/</a> <<br><br><br>
"Gosh -- nearly just the same article dated 2004??? <sarcasm>":<br><br>
>>>>WASHINGTON : US officials said they have received new intelligence that indicates terrorists plan a major attack on the United States during the summer, media reports said on Tuesday.<br><br>
The latest intelligence did not indicate when or where an attack might occur, they added.<br><br>
Of most concern, the officials said, is that terrorists may possess and use a chemical, biological or radiological weapon that could cause much more damage and casualties than a conventional bomb. <<<<br><br>
> <a href="http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_world/view/86880/1/.html" target="_blank">http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stori.../86880/1/.html</a> <<br><br>
My opinion is, that the administration that called "Wolf" is at it again...they know where to tweak all the Joe and Joan Sixpacks to advantage.<br><br>
BUT, regardless, I must agree it would be VERY good to be very prepared as MT says....and to be prepared really does give peace of mind so one may think ahead, as well as being less fearful about ANY eventuality.<br><br>
At my house, we have been prepared since the late 80's, and never feel very put out when such as those pesky blackouts from last year happen, or when electricity goes in winter storms. We just replenish our "stores" to replace out of date goods, and it's just a matter of course rather than a fearful "gotta get ready for anything" deal.<br><br>
Heck, we have had violent thunderstorms lately, and we just quietly and calmly put water by, LOTS of it, in case the power goes out. And then we are get our candles, lighters, and campstove out and "staged" for convenient use, just in case we end up needing them and we are set for whatever. Usually "whatever" doesn't happen but we were prepared. No harm; no foul. And since we have been doing this a long time, we always included our kids in the process, telling them age-appropriate info about it. But my kids have lived through the hauling water and cooking out summer when we were homeless, and living out of a schoolbus on my FIL's property near the river.<br><br>
That's why preparation is so advantageous. It's not that you believe anything in particular WILL happen, but that you are comfortable with knowing you can cope with most anything without too much struggle and no need for panic.<br><br>
But that all said, DO prepare, but put the fearmongering in perspective. Prepare for your own EMPOWERMENT...they can't get you all wound up because you are confident that you can cope with what comes.<br><br>
No fear here.<br>
Joyce in the mts.
 

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BUT, regardless, I must agree it would be VERY good to be very prepared as MT says....and to be prepared really does give peace of mind so one may think ahead, as well as being less fearful about ANY eventuality.<br><br>
At my house, we have been prepared since the late 80's, and never feel very put out when such as those pesky blackouts from last year happen, or when electricity goes in winter storms. We just replenish our "stores" to replace out of date goods, and it's just a matter of course rather than a fearful "gotta get ready for anything" deal.<br><br>
Heck, we have had violent thunderstorms lately, and we just quietly and calmly put water by, LOTS of it, in case the power goes out. And then we are get our candles, lighters, and campstove out and "staged" for convenient use, just in case we end up needing them and we are set for whatever. Usually "whatever" doesn't happen but we were prepared. No harm; no foul. And since we have been doing this a long time, we always included our kids in the process, telling them age-appropriate info about it. But my kids have lived through the hauling water and cooking out summer when we were homeless, and living out of a schoolbus on my FIL's property near the river.<br><br>
That's why preparation is so advantageous. It's not that you believe anything in particular WILL happen, but that you are comfortable with knowing you can cope with most anything without too much struggle and no need for panic.<br><br>
But that all said, DO prepare, but put the fearmongering in perspective. Prepare for your own EMPOWERMENT...they can't get you all wound up because you are confident that you can cope with what comes.<br><br>
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I suspect you are right.<br><br>
and I agree about provisions. Interestingly enough, Madagascar was hit with storms this year. If I was not a year ahead for vanilla essence, I wouldn't be able to make some of the things I normally do.<br><br>
We never worry about cyclones or anything, because like you, we have our own water source, and are well backed up with all sorts of emergency supplies.<br><br>
No matter whether it is an internal or external terrorist plot, to be prepared as much as you can is a good idea.<br><br>
And even if you get hauled off to a camp (which I doubt very much) at least you don't have to sweat waiting for "whatever" to happen...
 

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This is a great thread!<br><br>
We, too, are prepared. We have our own stream. Grow a garden, have canned food, candles, wood, etc. I'm so glad I'm not dwelling in a city! Even though I'm not really worried anymore that such an event will even happen.<br><br>
I also take a more pro-active approach. Use orgone and gift around the "alleged" cell phone towers. Easy to make. Many people world wide are doing just this.<br><br>
get a gallon of Bondo boat resin. Some alunimum shavings from a machine shop (free) or copper scrubbies from the Dollar tree. And a few peices of quartz crystals. 4 oz paper cups.<br><br>
Spray the cups with a cooking spray. place in metal and add a quartz peice. Follow the directions for the Bondo and let set. Place a few around each tower. Observe the changes. This is called "orgone"... alife force like Chi. Omnipressment in our world. Birds and plant life LOVE it! it neutrilized the negative energy around power lines and cell towers. This also neutrilizes the evil effects of chemtrials. Reclaim your skies, your clean air, and yes your health, and your soul.<br><br>
Study: HAARP, Entropy towers, cell phone towers, microwave towers. Here is a paragraph from the Idaho Observer regarding these things...<br><br>
We continually witness bizarre meteorological occurrences as powerful electromagnetic devices manipulate both the jet stream and individual storm fronts to create artificial weather and climatic conditions. Black operations projects embedded within these aerosol missions are documented to sicken and disorient select populations with biological test agents and psychotronic mind/mood control technologies.<br><br><a href="http://proliberty.com/observer/20040501.htm" target="_blank">http://proliberty.com/observer/20040501.htm</a><br><br><br>
In the words of CBSWORK::::The single most dangerous (to the controllers) Human Soul alive in our time is the person who listens to their heart and is withdrawing all their agreements to the various fictions in play right now. If you cannot be conned by fictions presented to you, than the only thing remaining, is reality. Like layers of an onion, we strip away the illusions of reality to reveal spirit. That's one of the aspects of orgone work, to strip away the layers of lies blanketing all the kingdoms, mineral, animal, plant, human, angelic, and other. As you gift, freeing others, you free yourself. And further down/up the rabbit hole of wisdom and knowledge we fall." ~cbswork
 

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Good for you. Being in the mountains and all. Pardon us if we here in the Boston area, which will be practically shut down during the Democratic Convention due to security concerns, have a somewhat different take! Coupled with the 2004 elections and lessons of the Madrid train bombings and the perceived effect it had on the Spain's election, it can't be ignored.<br><br>
But seriously, I don't see how this "fear mongering" on Dubya Inc.'s part does anything to help Bush's re-election bid. After going into Afgahnistan, then Iraq BEFORE the job is done in Afgahnistan, close to 1000 dead Americans and counting, finding no WMDs but oodles of IEDs, Osama's still on the run thanks to the Tora Bora disaster, new public enemy No. 1 al-Zarqawi loose because Dubya Inc. didn't want to threaten its invasion of Iraq, the shame of Abu Ghraib compared with the no shame of Rummy, Wolfie and Feith being taken hook, line and sinker but this con man (<a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5040831/site/newsweek/" target="_blank">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5040831/site/newsweek/</a>) but belittling Gen. Shinseki (<a href="http://www.brookings.edu/views/op-ed/ohanlon/20030618.htm" target="_blank">http://www.brookings.edu/views/op-ed...n/20030618.htm</a>), ignoring the "Future of Iraq" project findings tgaht predicted the lurch to have the UN now try and bail us out of the Iraqi mess, etc. etc. etc. And all while we get a summer of $2.50 per gallon of gas!<br><br>
Dunno, but I don't see it helping at all.
 

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Hey RD, sorry I live in the mts, and you don't.<br><br>
Frankly, I could be in Boston for that event for all I know. So it's not so much, "haha, I am here and you are not", as I have no fear with regard to feeling my family can cope with either emergency or long-term "austerity" type experiences.<br><br>
While I agree that fearmongering likely will backfire, I also acknowledge that there will always be those who insist upon using fear to control others, as well as those others, who are fertile ground for the desired response.<br><br>
By the way...I hear Bush has planned a total of 6 speeches of which we got the first the other night.<br><br>
Goody!<br>
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The PR campaign of "be afraid, you need me to protect you" is the crap that is being spewed. The reality is that we have always been, and will continue to be, at risk for terrorist attacks. We're not surprised that they happen in other countries, why are we so shocked that they might happen here?<br><br>
I don't live my life based on 'what if' fear mongering. But, we do live in an earthquake area, so we always have some basics on hand - flashlights, batteries, water, canned food, etc. But I'm not building bunkers in my basement or anything, no. If someone is truly interested in keeping their family alive, quit driving on freeways.
 

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Hah! Lotsa luck getting to it:<br><br>
"Indeed, safety issues led the Service to announce last week that it would close nearly 40 miles of Boston-area roads during the convention. The closures, more extensive than previously expected, have left local businesses wondering how to remain open during the convention."<br><br><a href="http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1084907828827" target="_blank">http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentSe...=1084907828827</a>
 

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Honey, I have ways. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"><br><br>
Seriously, dh and I were thinking about talking the local tiny paper into sending us to do a story from there.<br><br>
Ya' just never know <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/mischievous.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="mischief"><br>
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Funny, I have had this impending feeling of "doom" of getting stuck somewhere lately, in particular in the subway tunnels and the one that runs under wtaer between brooklyn and manhattan. Really really really, even prior to this "chatter" it has been causing me major anxiety for months. So I wonder, I am intuiting or ........<br><br>
Either way it made dh and I plan our meeting points in the city and how to get baby etc. We have a small amount of things here, but definity need to be more "prepared". I am going to follow some of the tips here.<br><br>
Lastly "Are you on the "red" or "blue" list?" how does one find that out???
 
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