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hi all, sorry about the strange title, but i'm really bothered by this, i've been taking a very good probiotic for a while now and i've just started with the kefir, but in the last few months i've been getting really bad thrush on the last day of my period which lasts through until ovulation. then goes away then comes back again at the same time of the month. my diet as mentioned in previous posts is supposed to be clearing the candida and other bad bacteria (scd no sugars or starches so nothing to feed the candida). so i don't understand this. it seems to totally relate with the hormone changes during the month, but with all the good stuff i'm eating i'm suprised it isnt' clearing up. i am also getting very bad PMS. is there anything i can do? or eat to try and sort the hormones and clear thrush out? it has got worse each month.<br><br>
the only other thing i can think of is that i've been taking manuka or raw honey everyday to stave off colds etc (it has really worked as i've been around lots of ill people and it is the only sweet food i eat). but could this be feeding candida and upsetting hormones thus causing thrush and pms? i had looked up honey and thought it was actually antifungal and manuka especially is antibacterial so i'd be suprised if it was just this. anyone have thrush during certain times of the month? any ideas as to what i can do or why this is happening?<br><br>
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I used to get yeast overgrowths every month... not quite an infection, but definitely a "presence". Cutting out all sources of sugar resolved it. That would include honey (for the detox period). All sugars, simple and complex, which left me eating meat, low-starch veggies and cheese for a couple weeks.<br><br>
It also sounds like your hormones are imbalanced, which can also cause/contribute to this. I don't know what you're eating, but oftentimes foods can play a large role in this. Grains and soy all contain phytoestrogens, and women with hormone problems can see improvements by removing them from their diets. If you haven't yet, I'd start looking for any possible hidden sources of sugar/starch in your diet.<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I used to get yeast overgrowths every month... not quite an infection, but definitely a "presence". Cutting out all sources of sugar resolved it. That would include honey (for the detox period). All sugars, simple and complex, which left me eating meat, low-starch veggies and cheese for a couple weeks.<br><br>
It also sounds like your hormones are imbalanced, which can also cause/contribute to this. I don't know what you're eating, but oftentimes foods can play a large role in this. Grains and soy all contain phytoestrogens, and women with hormone problems can see improvements by removing them from their diets. If you haven't yet, I'd start looking for any possible hidden sources of sugar/starch in your diet.<br><br>
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cristeen, thanks for sharing your experience. yes i'm all sugars free, grain free, starch free, but i do have the honey and so i guess this is the problem thats so annoying!! basically my diet is meat, non starch vegetables, berries, eggs, and the honey. i don't have any grains or soy or soy products so do you think it is just the honey that is causing a hormone imbalance? i can't think of anything else it could be. how long should i cut the honey for? thanks your post was really helpful.
 

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Usually detox can take 2-3 weeks, depending on the severity.<br><br>
You may also want to talk to your doctor about having your hormones checked because something seems out of balance. If you know what the imbalance is (too much X, too little Y, whatever), there are herbs that can help balance things back out. It's just easier if you know exactly which hormone you're trying to effect (and in which direction to effect it). Usually this would involve several blood draws at specific points in your cycle.
 

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well, I have two thoughts. One is: could you have heavy metal toxicity? Mercury in particular sequesters yeast and it is almost impossible to get rid of it no matter what you do as long as the mercury is present.<br><br>
The other is this: I am doing alot of research right now on the benefits of yeast. I have come up with two things-the first is that it should always be there, and high amounts of fat which cause sugar (even monosaccharides) to remain in the bloostream will cause the yeast to flare up. People studying this have found as long as you eat sugar (fruit or honey) in the absence of fat so it is metabolized quickly and the uptake in the cell is rapid there will be no issue. Fat binds the cells so to speak and forces the sugar to remain in the bloodstream feeding yeast. the yeast actually helps to control insulin levels.<br><br>
The other is that yeast is a detox mechanism that works (unless you beat it into submission which apparently is a BAD idea) to rid your body of all traces of antibiotics and aspirin. These both have lasting effects and yeast is your body's way of eradicating them. If you let the yeast thrive until it's done your body will be a million times healthier and you'll be rid of the harmful toxins. So as long as you have traces of these substances you will have the yeast fighting to eliminate them. Every time you get "rid" of it it will come back until it's job is done.<br><br>
Both of these theories have validity. I don't know if I subscribe to either 100%, but it certainly does let you have a new respect for the yeasties!<br><br>
Maybe you should do a ceremony blessing your yeast and thanking it for being so dedicated to your personal health <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 

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ooh this is all so interesting. i'll have to get my hormones tested i think because they do seem quite unbalanced. it is so difficult to get these sort of tests done though doctors here are very dismissive of anything that might be a 'nutrional' problem they just don't understand nutrition here (aswell as mental health), i just don't have any faith in our medical system.<br><br>
firefaery thanks for the suggestions yes i should get the heavy metal toxicity tested to as someone else has suggested this to me. ok so if i have metal toxicity how do i remove it? does it mean i should got raw? or are there other things i could do while staying cooked and raw scd? - wheatgrass?<br>
firefaery - i'm really enjoying reading you posts you know so much thanks for sharing it, i'm learning lots!
 

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No, you absolutely don't "need" to go raw to remove heavy metals... did for several reasons but in my studies I don't think it's necessary.<br><br>
Chlorella, spirulina, blue green algae (klamanth), cilantro, alfalfa, parsley, celery, wheat grass etc. will all help to detoxify metals to some extent....really chlorophyll is the biggie. You can even take a liquid chlorophyll supplement. I personally prefer the live sources for many reasons, but if you don't have a juicer that can handle greens it isn't as viable an option.<br><br>
The chlorophyll along with the fats will be a great start. Anecdotally I notice a significant difference between the raw and cooked fats. But I do have to say I did get results with the cooked fats as well. THey just weren't as intense.<br><br>
If you're breastfeeding, pregnant or could be pregnant you do need to be careful. I am breastfeeding and have been the entire time I've been detoxing....but I did make sure I was taking certain measures to keep both babies' exposure minimal.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">ooh this is all so interesting. i'll have to get my hormones tested i think because they do seem quite unbalanced. it is so difficult to get these sort of tests done though doctors here are very dismissive of anything that might be a 'nutrional' problem they just don't understand nutrition here (aswell as mental health), i just don't have any faith in our medical system.</div>
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I wouldn't present it as a nutritional problem at all. That may be the best way to treat it naturally, but most doctors won't see it that way (they'll throw drugs at it). Present it as a "female problem". You have severe PMS and every month get yeast at that time... you've read that the two could be linked to hormone imbalances and would like your hormones checked. Don't bring nutrition up at all with a doctor. IME, doctors know jack about nutrition, yet will present their unknowledge as fact.<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I wouldn't present it as a nutritional problem at all. That may be the best way to treat it naturally, but most doctors won't see it that way (they'll throw drugs at it). Present it as a "female problem". You have severe PMS and every month get yeast at that time... you've read that the two could be linked to hormone imbalances and would like your hormones checked. Don't bring nutrition up at all with a doctor. IME, doctors know jack about nutrition, yet will present their unknowledge as fact.<br><br>
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ITA. You could also see an ND and they would be more likey to get it. A good nutritionist could also be helpful. Both can run tests, it's just a matter of whether or not your insurance would cover it. BUT the tests they would run would likely be far more helpful...
 

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I've got to agree with checking into heavy metal toxicity. We found in our house that as long as one has mercury toxicity there will be yeast present regardless of diet and intense probiotic supplementation. Heavy metal toxicity trumps everything else. We tried SCD with my dd and she still had raging yeast. She was on a complete TF diet and if she got the least little bit of ANY fructose her yeast symptoms would come out - esp. the weepy eczema behind the ears and yeast rashes in other places.<br>
Mercury can also affect your hormones. It can affect every system in your body. It just depends on your level of toxicity and whether you excrete or store the mercury in your body.<br>
We have finally gotten the bulk of her mercury out and after years of not having any fruit the kid can eat anything TF without the slightest yeast symptoms. The absence of yeast symptoms completely coincided with the progression of the mercury removal. It's at least worth checking out. I found trying to heal her gut to be the most frustrating experience in my life, not to mention a waste of time and money, until we were well on our way with pulling the mercury out.
 

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Lots of other good ideas here. Just wanted to mention that I have successfully used raw garlic as a treatment for thrush, along with a probiotic for baby. I chop up a bunch of garlic fine in the food processor and take quite a lot every day. I continue to do this, as I feel better doing it.
 

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ooh thanks so much everyone this is so helpful. firefaery - sorry to keep asking you questions! but what is a ND? is it a naturapath? i'm still breastfeeding dd so what sort of precautions should i take? i do have a good juicer that does wheatgrass i was having it a while back but i found wheatgrass made me feel really sick so i stopped it.<br><br>
moneca how did you get the mercury out of your dd? my dd will not take any juice in any form - only liquids she'll take are water or breastmilk from source did your dd take green juice?<br>
did you continue with scd while you were removeing mercury. healing my dd's gut is far harder than mine because she is extremely stubborn about trying any of the foods that would help her. goodness knows how i'd get the mercury out of her. so although she is scd in diet we can't get her to eat fermented foods, clo, etc - all i manage is to hide a probiotic in water.<br><br>
i've been having raw milk kefir for a week now and i think it is causing die off symptons - i'm feeling really depressed i couldn't quite understand why, i thought it was due to this english winter but it seems more than that, it feels really 'chemical' and then i realised when i started on probiotics i got very depressed and that was summertime. does kefir cause die off? anyone else feel depressed when in die off - just wondering if this is a normal reaction? also does die off cause bad breath - because dp has noticed that one too!!<br><br>
gosh sorry for all the questions. thanks everyone this has been so helpful, i just hope i can sort all this out soon <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">:
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/notes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="notes">:<br><br>
i'm like a dog who's getting scratched in the right spot right now. i know, sick description, but it sure feels great to learn something new!!!! i'm such a nerd!<br><br>
can someone provide links/websites/books that would help explain mercury/heavy metal toxicity and the body's (in)ability to function with an abundance of these toxins in our systems? i would love to begin reading about this as i would like to rid myself of heavy metals once i am done breastfeeding.<br><br>
also, i have several friends going through the same exact situation as bluebell and i would love to share this information with them. bluebell, i hope the depression passes soon. i think your dd is truly lucky to have you as a mother. you show great dedication to her health and wellness...lucky child.<br><br>
i know how busy you mamas are out there, so i truly appreciate you all taking the time to post about your experiences. if i could only express how helpful you all are...but the pregnancy brain is depriving me of some eloquence these days.<br><br>
good night (i'm in australia. that's not the pregnancy brain talking, for once!)
 

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I think I posted this before, but my kids ALL drink the green juice...they just don't know it. I juice a huge bunch of parsley and two celery hearts. I put them in a blender with 5 raw eggs, 1/2 cup of raw butter, 1/4 cup coconut oil, 2 bananas, frozen strawberries, frozen peaches and frozen blueberries. Each kid gets 16 ounces a day. It honestly tastes good. You can thicken or freeze it too...make it into a pudding or popsicles. All of my kids are also totally willing to chew chlorella tablets. They call it their green gum.<br><br>
Yes, an ND is a naturopath. You need to make sure that you open up your detoxification pathways and bind the metals as you mobilize them. You need to make sure you aren't dumping them into your breastmilk. There are specific supplements to take that will protect the milk. There are supplements to take to open the pathways. It's a complex picture, but it's totally doable. I also give them iodine directly which helps withthe toxicity as well as kills off the yeast. Lugol's solution was actually developed partially as an anti-fungal supplement.<br><br>
Depression is a direct result of damage to the gut. Heavy metals can really do a number on you...as Moneca said they disrupt pretty much every function in the body. You can see an increase in depression with die off too. You could try taking some pascalite clay. It is a cation and actively binds the positively charged toxins resulting from die off and escorts them out of the body. It should significantly minimize your discomfort.<br><br>
Don't discount too that some people have that experience with dairy. It does contain opiate like substances that many people find contributes to depression-even the raw stuff. I don't have this happen but I know several people that do.<br><br>
We make sure our diet is plenty high in fat to assist in the detox.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I think I posted this before, but my kids ALL drink the green juice...they just don't know it. I juice a huge bunch of parsley and two celery hearts. I put them in a blender with 5 raw eggs, 1/2 cup of raw butter, 1/4 cup coconut oil, 2 bananas, frozen strawberries, frozen peaches and frozen blueberries. Each kid gets 16 ounces a day. It honestly tastes good. You can thicken or freeze it too...make it into a pudding or popsicles. All of my kids are also totally willing to chew chlorella tablets. They call it their green gum.<br><br>
Yes, an ND is a naturopath. You need to make sure that you open up your detoxification pathways and bind the metals as you mobilize them. You need to make sure you aren't dumping them into your breastmilk. There are specific supplements to take that will protect the milk. There are supplements to take to open the pathways. It's a complex picture, but it's totally doable. I also give them iodine directly which helps withthe toxicity as well as kills off the yeast. Lugol's solution was actually developed partially as an anti-fungal supplement.<br><br>
Depression is a direct result of damage to the gut. Heavy metals can really do a number on you...as Moneca said they disrupt pretty much every function in the body. You can see an increase in depression with die off too. You could try taking some pascalite clay. It is a cation and actively binds the positively charged toxins resulting from die off and escorts them out of the body. It should significantly minimize your discomfort.<br><br>
Don't discount too that some people have that experience with dairy. It does contain opiate like substances that many people find contributes to depression-even the raw stuff. I don't have this happen but I know several people that do.<br><br>
We make sure our diet is plenty high in fat to assist in the detox.</div>
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wow wow wow - i feel like a dog with an itch that finally gets scratched too!!<br>
goodness i'm realising that i've got so so much healing to do, but its good to know i'm on the right path now. where can i find pascalite clay? i've never heard of this. i'll get some of the lugols too where can i get that and is it ok while breastfeeding? i so wish i could get juice into dd but nope she won't touch and juice. her diet is all solid meat solid vegetables and fruits - apart from the ground beef. it is so frustrating she won't try new things. i think i would like to consult a naturapath to help with all this. however i was just talking to a good friend who consulted 2 highly 'respected' naturapaths here in england and both of them made comments about why was she still breastfeeding her 3yr old and that her dd should now be drinking goats milk as she was calcium deficiant because of breastfeeding. unfortunatly i've had similar experiences with nutrionists here in england it is so hard to find 'alternative' practitioners with any understanding let alone support of breastfeeding long term. i can't trust the medical doctors or the alternative health practitioners to help - thankgoodness i can come here!! you are all so great!<br><br>
suzukiaustin thanks so much for your lovely comments. i also really apprieciate everyone taking the time to post, and i'm glad that others getting lots from this thread.<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">i so wish i could get juice into dd but nope she won't touch and juice. her diet is all solid meat solid vegetables and fruits - apart from the ground beef. it is so frustrating she won't try new things.</div>
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bluebell - would you consider making the juice into popsicles or making the smoothies firefaery suggested and putting the smoothie in an ice cream maker? maybe you could eat a popsicle or some "ice cream" and then she'll come up to you and want to try it. (this is the school teacher in me coming out. it's all about reverse psychology with the kids at this age). tell her she can't have any...no, no, no...then she'll keep asking for it. try to do it in a joking way and she'll loosen up about trying a new food, and may even try it on your first attempt. be sure to keep trying (very casually) and to never let her know that you are frustrated with her food choices. she will feed off that energy, and you don't want that. make sure YOU like the way the smoothies taste and she will want what you enjoy.<br><br>
another option is to make scd legal cookies and fill two cookies with the custard firefaery suggested. almost like an ice cream cookie...yummm. no 4 year old would resist that!<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">bluebell - would you consider making the juice into popsicles or making the smoothies firefaery suggested and putting the smoothie in an ice cream maker? maybe you could eat a popsicle or some "ice cream" and then she'll come up to you and want to try it. (this is the school teacher in me coming out. it's all about reverse psychology with the kids at this age). tell her she can't have any...no, no, no...then she'll keep asking for it. try to do it in a joking way and she'll loosen up about trying a new food, and may even try it on your first attempt. be sure to keep trying (very casually) and to never let her know that you are frustrated with her food choices. she will feed off that energy, and you don't want that. make sure YOU like the way the smoothies taste and she will want what you enjoy.<br><br>
another option is to make scd legal cookies and fill two cookies with the custard firefaery suggested. almost like an ice cream cookie...yummm. no 4 year old would resist that!<br><br>
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thanks for the suggestions - i'll give them a go. maybe she will try, but she is extremely strong willed and would prove a point rather than give in even if it meant she misses out on something! tbh i'm not too frustrated about her food choices because i'm so lucky that she eats healthily and dosn't ask for any junk (except for when i offer nut cookies which she dosn't like!). when i see what other kids eat around here, i'm so lucky she eats the way she does.<br>
i will keep trying, sometimes out of the blue she will try something and like it. so we'll see. i'll try the custard that sounds lovely.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/yummy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="yummy"><br><br>
thanks.
 
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