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A fellow college grad and I reconnected on Facebook recently, and I learned that she gave birth to her daughter in London. I was eager to hear about her birth experience because I hold this image that it must have been absolutely amazing (to give birth in a hospital outside of the US).<br><br>
She wrote back today to tell me that she probably received the run-of-the-mill-US kind of birth. A bit disappointed, I dug a little deeper and Googled the hospital (St. John and St. Elizabeth's).<br><br>
WOW! If only our hospitals in the US could live up to (or at least strive to) this standard of care for pregnant women.<br><br>
On one hand, reading this brochure deeply saddened me because it serves as a reminder of what we don't have here in US hospitals. On the other hand, finding that this model of care can and does work, makes me (perhaps naively) hopeful.<br><br>
The hospital brochure that will make your jaw drop...<br><a href="http://www.hje.org.uk/files/birth_unit_brochure.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.hje.org.uk/files/birth_unit_brochure.pdf</a><br><br>
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Very interesting. I thought it strange that they mentioned just how many post-natal transfers they have, but didn't mention c-section rates, forceps/vacuum, etc etc. But overall, I agree with you. Lots of stuff you just wouldn't find here. On-call aromatherapists? Yeah, not here. Oddly enough, DH and I were just talking about moving to the UK tonight. Maybe that would be a good thing.
 

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You got THAT right! WOW! Once again our neighbors across the pond prove how much more advanced they are than we. Our hospitals should strive to be that awesome!<br><br>
I think you'd be safe in telling your friend that there was absolutely nothing "run-of-the-mill-US-style" about her birth if it happened in that lovely establishment.
 

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The hospitals there have to compete with homebirth and know it. The hospitals here pretty much have a monopoly. Monopolies are rarely as good as free competition, regardless of the subject.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">The hospitals there have to compete with homebirth and know it. The hospitals here pretty much have a monopoly. Monopolies are rarely as good as free competition, regardless of the subject.</div>
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Except that that hospital is private, so it's in competition with the free NHS hospitals. It'd better be good if they're going to charge people to go there.
 

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Yeah, that's a private clinic and most women would not have access to this. Most women have NHS hospital births, although you can have a home birth on the NHS... it MAY be a hard slog to get one.
 

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Yeah - that's a private, religious hospital in a wealthy area of London.<br><br>
You are guaranteed a homebirth on the NHS if you want one. Whether you have to argue for it & how good your midwives are depends on your healthcare trust. Where I live is very good for homebirths, so I've not encountered any conflicts at all, but I hear it can be different in other areas.
 

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St. John and St. Lizzie's was where I was originally thinking of delivering at. The birth unit was founded by Dr. Yehudi Gordon who encourages active labor, yoga, aromatherapy, baths and all the rest. I bought his book where he says that he believes babies choose their parents and it's a very uplifting tome on pregnancy and birth. Here's a blurb about him:<br><br><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/profile/yehudi_gordon.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documen...i_gordon.shtml</a>
 

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Yeah, believe me, not all of the hospitals here are like that! It costs a pretty penny to go to a place like that. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 

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Our local maternity unit has been rebuilt.... Great I thought (not that I plan on birthing there but its nice for others who want to use it), the other day though, I found out they have more rooms and less staff....... Staffing was already an issue when I had my previous children and now they have LESS staff????? Wow.......<br><br>
Anyway, looks like whether I birth at home or in hospital, I might have to prepare for a UC birth which I would kinda like but I have the fear after a previous PPH (and I am more at risk due to health issues).
 

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<a href="http://www.birthchoiceuk.com/Frame.htm" target="_blank">http://www.birthchoiceuk.com/Frame.htm</a><br><br>
My local is the RD+E with a normal birth rate of about 39%. Trying to avoid it like the plague. Its a shame the above site doesn't give the statistics for private hospitals but I guess there is a reason why <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngtongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick Out Tongue">.<br><br>
On a plus, Devon has a homebirth rate of around 5%. Lets just hope the MWs are about for mee, tthey very nearly weren't last time.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Except that that hospital is private, so it's in competition with the free NHS hospitals. It'd better be good if they're going to charge people to go there.</div>
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They're competing with all of NHS including homebirth. Really, having to compete with a free service is even more of an incentive than just regular capital competition.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Yeah, believe me, not all of the hospitals here are like that! It costs a pretty penny to go to a place like that. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"></div>
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So how much would a birth cost there? Is a regular NHS birth at a regular NHS free? If not, how much would each kind of birth cost? This is assuming an uncomplicated, low-intervention birth.<br><br>
I'm curious because I have to pay a heck of a lot in the U.S. for any kind of birth, anywhere. Except UC, of course . . . that's always free as long as nothing goes wrong.
 

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Wow - that does look nice!<br><br>
just an OT observation - how freaking nice it was to see an INTACT baby boy on the brochure. You see that and you <i>know</i> you're not in "Kansas" anymore! I think I'm going to talk to my dh about moving to UK tonite too! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">So how much would a birth cost there? Is a regular NHS birth at a regular NHS free? If not, how much would each kind of birth cost? This is assuming an uncomplicated, low-intervention birth.<br><br>
I'm curious because I have to pay a heck of a lot in the U.S. for any kind of birth, anywhere. Except UC, of course . . . that's always free as long as nothing goes wrong.</div>
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Anything on the NHS is free, whether a homebirth or an uncomplicated hospital birth or an emergency c-section with a 3 week NICU stay... It's all free.<br><br>
An independent midwife cost varies but I believe is between £1,000 - £4,000. I don't know how much a private hospital birth would cost.
 

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I had no idea that this was such a fancy-shmancy hospital. While this level of care may only be available for those that can afford it, this speaks to possibilities. (i.e. Should more hospitals look and operate like this? Is it ethical to provide this level of care to only those that can afford it? etc.).
 

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I looked it up - £3,500 for the consultant's charge, £350 for the anaesthetist for an epidural, £1,200 for your first 24 hours care. Consultant paed, scans etc are extra.<br><br>
Private healthcare, especially private healthcare in birth, is used by a tiny, tiny proportion of the population. Celebs always have their babies at the Portland though.
 

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I wonder if health care in England is similiar to that in Australia.<br><br>
I went to a private hospital like that for my birth (St John of God, Perth). I had a natural birth, upright, with a double bed, access to a birth pool in my labour room and so on. They let me cosleep for 5 nights, encouraged rooming in and BF'ing etc. They called themselves a "baby friendly hospital".<br>
But although the fees are extrordinary, you dont pay them - people who go to private hospitals have private health insurance. At last peek mine cost $80 a month and the aussie dollar is quite close to the US$.<br>
So its not really only celebs who go private - at least not in Australia.<br><br>
Our public hospitals - which you can go to for free - have birthing suites, which while very popular offer a nice option for most moms. They offer a hotel like room with birthing pools, balls, massage etc and no pain meds - only gas.<br><br>
The irony is that even with access to such great natural birth resources the vast majority of moms still choose some intervention and dont use these rooms.<br>
1 in 3 births at St John of God are ceseareans!!<br>
Too posh to push? Perhaps a symptom of having a private surgeon, oops, I mean obstetrician as your Dr? At least hospital support is a start - now we just need to make it more mainstream.
 
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