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I really need your advice, mamas.

Every single time I go to the store, at least one or two complete strangers approach my kids and paw all over them. Tonight, for example, my hubby and I were in the self-checkout line at the grocery store when the cashier in charge of that area left her station, walked over to us and stood about six inches away from me, wanting to see my baby (asleep in the sling). With her so much in my personal space, I automatically took a step backward-- which did no good since she compensated by taking a step forward. So, trying to get rid of her, I opened the sling just enough for a glimpse-- and the woman immediately started reaching in there to, I assume, touch her face or hair or something. I immediately pivoted away (making it look like I was trying to give her a better view). So finally she dropped her hand, and *then* she started talking to my toddler, who was sitting in the cart beside me. Then she said what beautiful curls my kid has, and started running her hand through her hair! I truly did not know what to do. What I WANTED to do was tell her to get her freakin' hands off my child... but I said nothing.

And that's what kills me. Every time this sort of thing happens, I just stand there like a dope and don't know how to establish a no-touching boundary or say, "Hands off, please." Because the thing is, I do believe most of these folks are well-intentioned-- they're usually older women who have wistful, my-babies-are-all-grown-up-and-boy-do-I-miss-those-days looks on their faces, and I don't want to be an outright a$$hole about it all. To be brutally honest, I was raised to be a people pleaser, and crappy habits are hard to break. At the same time, my instinct to tell them to buzz off is starting to overpower my politeness, and I feel like the next person who reaches over to pat my kid on the head is going to pull back a nub. Which is not what I'm looking to do.

I've told myself a thousand times that the next time someone does this, I will say something effective, firm and, ideally, kind that will make my position clear-- but the words never come. I just don't know how to strike that balance.

P.S. I should add that in the rare instances someone has given me the creeps, I've immediately zipped my kids away without hesitation. I just don't know what to do with these matronly older women who look like they'd happily rock my kids to sleep if I'd let them. I don't think they mean any harm-- I just don't want them pawing all over my children.
 

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you *could* tell them you are a germaphobe
i've used this before deep breathing helps! i feel bad for doing it sometimes but people do not seem to take suddle hints, and i don't wanna seem like a beeyach but i don't know *where your hands have been* i'm happy that people think my child is so cute but geez i just wanted to buy some food and go home! ykwim?
momma i feel your pain! if someone comes up with a good idea pm me please!
 

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The one approach I've tried that works sometimes is, "Oh, she's been SO fussy today, and I just now got her to sleep!" (or "settled down" if she's awake) Then I give the person a frazzled look and go about my way.
 

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I've let DD (age 4) know that if someone is getting too close or feels uncomfortable to come closer to me and I will make sure that she is feeling safe, just to give her permission to have personal boundaries and to let her know that I'll advocate for her.

As for my response, when strangers get too close/"handsy" with the kids, I move in closer to the kids and generally draw them close to me and talk about how they're feeling shy today.
 

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It's never bothered me, but if it did would just speak up and mention politely you don't wish your kids to be touched.

One of the things I miss most about being away from my old stomping grounds which had a much larger Islander population (Jamaican, Bajan and Caribbean) is the number of people who would swoop in and take DS from me when we were shopping in a store or grabbing a bite to eat. It was wonderful to feel other people saw DS as part of a community even though they didn't know us. I was so tired and missing my own family that it really made a difference in my day. DS never minded either.

I don't know, I just love being surrounded by loving and giving people and I see cooing strangers as exactly that. I often think how lucky DS is to have his laughter or skipping or hand holding with me greeted with soft smiles and warm hearts and hands. As he gets older he'll lose that trust and love strangers automatically place in him at 6 and that makes me sad. I wish we were all greeted with coos and adoration.
 

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I tell them I am a germaphobe and not sure where their hands have been so please dont touch my child....which is the truth
 

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Your post reminded me of our trip to India when DD was 15 months old. People were ALL OVER HER. My DH is from India, and I'm not, so DD is fair-skinned while still looking rather Indian... I've no idea, really, why people were all over her but this was DH's hunch...(we saw tons of other Indian children there, and were wondering why people were fawning over our DD and not the other babies).

And it really started to annoy DD b/c she was at the stage where she really wanted to walk by herself, but women and teenage girls and boys would come to pick her up, wanting their photo with her, etc etc... Even walking through the train station, people would just be walking by, and touch her cheek and then kiss their fingers and walk on by... I mean SO MANY people were doing this all over the place! (So if you've something against germs, I guess don't take a child to India!)

It was really hard to keep a good face on about the whole thing. In fact, sometimes I just lost my patience, but I ended up just learning to take a deep breath when people would come for her, and seeing what DD's own reaction was. If she looked bothered, I'd step in and say, please, she'd like to walk on her own, or if DD was fine with it, I let them touch her. Most of the time, though, I didn't have much choice.

It is a nice difference of culture sometimes, though, when people are so open towards children, wanting to hold them and kiss them. I guess it just depends what your feelings towards germs are!!!
 

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Yeah, it really does boil down to the ickiness factor-- I can't deny I have a touch of germaphobia!
I truly don't mind people just talking to my kids, you know? The more social interaction, the better, I think. It's the touching that drives me nuts-- in my more wicked moments, I imagine their reaction if I reached over and started patting their cheeks!
 

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Ok, ok, I don't understand. I don't understand why people are so adverse to having others touch their children. My family is VERY touchy and we love children and babies and we just want to touch them when we see them, they are beautiful and a reminder of everything that is bright and good in the world. Who wouldn't want to touch something as perfect as a baby?

I guess if I minded people touching my children, I would say something like, "She hasn't been feeling well and just wants mama..." or some other white lie.

This is imo a sad part of American culture. Children should be adored and universally loved, spoiled, etc. The hands-off attitude makes me sad.
 

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purposeful mother,

I understand where you're coming from. If I didn't think the sense of touch was important and precious, I wouldn't be an attachment parent. My kids are cuddled and hugged constantly by their family and friends, so it's not like they're growing up in some sterile, affection-free bubble. However, I don't want complete strangers touching my kids (especially without asking my permission first), no matter how benign they seem to be. There's primarily the germ issue, yes; but there's also the issue of people ignoring personal boundaries, and that's very disrespectful in my opinion.

Just as I wouldn't want a total stranger walking up to me and stroking my hair, I don't want that done to my kids, either. Just because they're small and, at this age, defenseless, that doesn't mean people have a free license to put their hands on them-- nor is that a message I want them (my kids) to internalize. If the touching is not welcome, it works against the culture of love we all wish we had. A simple "hello!" and friendly smile or chitchat would go a lot farther, in my book.

Hope this clarifies my position a bit...
 

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Unless my children make it clear they would rather not have the attention I mind my own business. If they are feeling shy I just tell the person (usually don't have to though) that they are feeling shy today.

I think we touch each other far too little as a culture. Peple complain and complain that this culture is not child friendly but as soon as people start loving on kids they get blasted for it . . .I don't get it.
 

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Ok, ok, I don't understand. I don't understand why people are so adverse to having others touch their children. My family is VERY touchy and we love children and babies and we just want to touch them when we see them, they are beautiful and a reminder of everything that is bright and good in the world. Who wouldn't want to touch something as perfect as a baby?

I guess if I minded people touching my children, I would say something like, "She hasn't been feeling well and just wants mama..." or some other white lie.

This is imo a sad part of American culture. Children should be adored and universally loved, spoiled, etc. The hands-off attitude makes me sad.
So you wouldn't mind if some stranger came up to you and started stroking your hair and pinching your cheeks??
 

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I might think them odd but I probably wouldn't have too big of a problem with it.

actually the people I work with and the people at my church are European and they are a pretty touchy feely set. it isn't unusual for greeting to involve some sort of physical connection. a pat on the back, an arm around the shoulder, or a light touch on the hand. At first it was a little uncomfortable but I really like it now. it just makes even strangers seem friendly and caring.

And my kids don't generally have a problem with it when they were little (or now really). actually they really ate it up. They loved that physical contact with people.
 

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I am one of those people who LOVE little kids and babies, so I'm always eager to reach out to them. BUT, I try to restrain myself. I get my fix from the couple of toddlers and babies that come regularly into the coffee shop that I work at. They are comfortable with me tickling and playing with their kids because I see them almost every day!
 

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"Just as I wouldn't want a total stranger walking up to me and stroking my hair, I don't want that done to my kids, either. "

But this is an adult LEARNED response by and large..ingrained within this culture,,don't you think? I suspect MOST kids/babies love the attention and to be touched. If they don't, they will certainly let the person know by body language: crying, or trying to get away or saying "stop that!" I had one that loved attention and one that was very shy...I let them lead the way in what they liked.
 

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I felt the same way when ds was a newborn (and up to a couple of months ago, really). But now, ds is so social that he craves that attention from strangers. The other day, in fact, I was at a consignment store with ds in the sling and he so wanted someone to look at him and fawn over him that he was getting frustrated that they weren't. He looks at people and makes littles noises and puts a huge smile on his face to try to get their attention. He finally got the attention of a couple old ladies, who of course just ate it up. He's now started reaching out to hold peoples' hands and everything, too, the little bugger. So, I've had to get over my germ fears and dislike of talking to strangers because he loves it so much. I think that he must get this from his extrovert Daddy, because I'm very shy.

That being said, we are both now mysteriously sick with a cold which I'm sure we picked up at the store from one of the strangers ds attracted.
 

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So you wouldn't mind if some stranger came up to you and started stroking your hair and pinching your cheeks??
I'm afraid I'm not as cute as my kids.


Seriously, I don't find it a big deal unless my kids are under the weather or shying away from it. I just explain to them that they're feeling shy today.

Of course, there are still those times you get creepy vibes off of people, and dare I say it...MEN. But some of that is my thinking of my aunt's touchy-feely husband too.
 

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I've let DD (age 4) know that if someone is getting too close or feels uncomfortable to come closer to me and I will make sure that she is feeling safe, just to give her permission to have personal boundaries and to let her know that I'll advocate for her.

As for my response, when strangers get too close/"handsy" with the kids, I move in closer to the kids and generally draw them close to me and talk about how they're feeling shy today.
I like this approach... after all you want to let your children know that they can establish boundaries with strangers... but if your children are too young to get this idea then it is more about YOUR comfort level with the strangers touchy feely approach.

Are you worried about seeming mean, or irrational??? I personally wouldn't be... I would say something like "oh, please ask my permission before touching my children" or "please don't touch children without my permission" or simply..."don't touch my children" I guess it would depend on my mood and the person who was approaching.

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You said that if someone gives you the creeps, you have no problem zipping your kids away from them -- I think that's the important thing, to be able to speak up or act when you feel like something's wrong.

But the kind of stuff you described in your OP, with the kind matronly women, doesn't really bother me -- they're just giving my kid an affectionate pat, and DS has always seemed to like it. If it bugged me I guess I'd just smile and say something vague like "Oh, let's let him be for now" as I sauntered away.

Now that he's older (2.5), strangers usually ask him for a high-5 rather than just reaching out and touching him. I let him decide -- if he feels like it, he'll do it, and if not, he'll turn to me and I'll say something like, "Oh thanks -- I guess he doesn't feel like it right now."
 

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Thanks for the ideas, ladies-- I appreciate it!


Felicitymom: yes, I do worry about appearing both mean/irrational to these folks, because I don't think they have bad intentions, they're just touchy-feely. I don't worry about offending anyone who has 'creepy' vibes (frankly, the more distance I can put between them and my kids, the better), but grandma types are a different story, and I don't know how to relay a "look but don't touch" message without possibly sounding like a booger. I have a hard time being assertive in those situations; so I guess I've just been looking for some magical phrase that will convey my message in a friendly, non-offensive way. I don't want to be a jerk, I just don't want them touching my kids without my okay, you KWIM?

In regards to the other comments here on more kid-friendly cultures-- I understand that for some there is little to no boundary when it comes to affectionate gestures toward children-- and truly, if it works for those folks and everyone's happy, I think that's great. However, I was raised by British parents who came from more of a hands-off culture, where relationships were forged before any kind of physical affection was introduced. And that's where I'm coming from-- that's the culture I was raised in. I'm not saying either attitude is necessarily better than the other; my only point is that not everyone is comfortable with physical touching from complete strangers. I'm very physically affectionate with those in my inner circle; nobody loves a big bear hug better than me!
But from some Jane or John Doe? That's a scenario I'd rather avoid.
 
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