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Is there any way to know? My body has healed in many ways and I do the HVCLO, liver supp caps, all TF pastured foods. Before TTC I'd love to know if my liver stores are good or if I should eat a polar bear liver
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Hmmm, I know I don't because my rosacea's coming back . . . beyond that?
I'm going to make a half-joking suggestion that you learn how to do pendulum dowsing and ask that way. (Half-joking because most wouldn't take the suggestion seriously, but - well - I do it, so . . .
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http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic2381.htm Here is some info I found:

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History
Subclinical forms of VAD may not cause any symptoms, but the risk of developing respiratory and diarrheal infections is increased, the growth rate is decreased, and bone development is slowed. Patients may have a recent history of increased infections, infertility secondary to impaired spermatogenesis, or recent spontaneous abortion secondary to impaired embryonic development. The patient may also report increased fatigue as a manifestation of VAD anemia.

Physical
Signs and symptoms include Bitot spots, poor dark adaptation (nyctalopia), dry skin, dry hair, pruritus, broken fingernails, keratomalacia, xerophthalmia, and follicular hyperkeratosis (phrynoderma) secondary to blockage of hair follicles with plugs of keratin. Other signs include excessive deposition of periosteal bone secondary to reduced osteoclastic activity, anemia, and keratination of mucous membranes.

Causes
The risk of VAD is increased in patients with fat malabsorption, cystic fibrosis, sprue, pancreatic insufficiency, IBD, cholestasis, and/or small-bowel bypass surgery. It is also increased in vegans, refugees, recent immigrants, persons with alcoholism, and toddlers and preschool children living below the poverty line. These patients should be advised to consume vitamin A.
http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnut...aminasaga.html

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From the work of Weston Price, we can assume that the amount in

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primitive diets was about 50,000 IU per day
, which could be achieved in a modern diet by consuming generous amounts of whole milk, cream, butter and eggs from pastured animals; beef or duck liver several times per week; and 1 tablespoon regular cod liver oil or 1/2 tablespoon high-vitamin cod liver oil per day.
There is a complicated way to test A stores according to this http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/69/2/278

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The liver is the main storage organ for vitamin A in humans (1); thus, the best way to assess vitamin A status is to measure hepatic stores. Because direct measurement of hepatic vitamin A is not feasible under normal circumstances, various indirect methods are used to assess vitamin A status (2). Among these, the only method that gives a quantitative measure of total body stores is an isotope dilution procedure that involves 1) administration of an oral dose of deuterated vitamin A, 2) determination of isotopic ratios of retinol in serum after the isotope has equilibrated with the body's vitamin A pool, and 3) application of the mathematical formula of Furr et al (3) to calculate total body stores of vitamin A. This formula, which is a modification of the formula developed by Bausch and Rietz (4), has been used successfully in adults (3, 5). The deuterated-retinol-dilution (DRD) technique for assessing body stores was validated by Furr et al (3) in generally healthy, adult American surgical patients and by Haskell et al (5) in adult Bangladeshi surgical patients with low to adequate vitamin A status. In these 2 studies, generally good agreement was found between the calculated values and values obtained directly through liver biopsies; the correlation coefficients were 0.88 (3) and 0.75 (5).
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My unscientific sounding answer is:
I would think you would have good stores if you were taking in 30,000-50,000iu A for quite a while and have no defiency symptoms. I had fatigue, amemia, and a m/c while I had a retinol-free diet (vegan) like the emedicine article talks about. I had dry hair, skin, fingernails and the red bumps on my arms most of my life.

I TTCed after 14 mos on a TF diet. I did take higher doses of CLO for peroids of time also because I just knew I needed more and I had a blood test confirmed D-deficiency. (Like 50,000 IU A from CLO somtimes). I am preg and now I take 20,000 IU A of CLO but may add another teaspoon since I don't do dairy (except ghee) or eggs and don't eat liver that often.

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Moneca,

I think this is a good question for Chris. I don't know if there is some sort of challenge test for vitamin A. If your digestion is good, vitamin A in your current diet will go to baby

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Thanks for the answers. Jen - that testing is a bit much for me, but thanks for posting it.
I'll be sending an email to Chris Masterjohn and post here if he has any info on checking liver stores of vitamin A.
 
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