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When debating the pros/cons of vaccinating, how do you respond to those who say that non-vaccinated children are depending on other children being vaccinated in order to keep them healthy? I'm realizing that I'm not sure how to respond to this.
 

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ah, the herd immunity argument.<br><br>
i've asked people if they know which vaxes don't prevent transmission. i don't think many people know that some of them don't keep one from being a vector.
 

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I would say, "That's not the reason I choose to not vaccinate. There are many other reasons people choose to not vaccinate. Two of my reasons are that I am uncomfortable with the ingredients and risks of the vaccines."<br><br>
But I also choose not to debate. I conversate and educate, but I personally don't debate. Parenting is such a personal, emotional and challenging journey. Regardless of the issue (BF, cosleeping, vaxing, etc) I prefer to share beliefs, thoughts and sources and then agree to disagree when applicable. I do go and vent to my DH, mom or BF later though.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> I am human.<br><br>
Blessings,<br>
Stacy in Minnesota
 

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I tell people, "I'm depending on the CP vax to shed, so ds will get it, since chances are pretty low he'll get in the wild now that the mass majority has jumped on the bandwagon and screwed up the ecosystem of our immunities, and the vax itself could likely kill him."<br><br>
That usually shuts them up fast, although I don't know if it's the run-on sentence or the "could kill him" part....<br><br>
Might not work for everyone though. If I'm in an especially bad mood or otherwise feeling froggy, I'll equate herd immunity with peer pressure and people get so disgusted they give up real quick. I wish I could give a more serious, well thought out answer but I'm afraid anyone who's brought up the subject with me has never done it in a serious, well thought out manner.
 

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I simply state I am not afraid of the diseases, and believe the vax are more dangerous. People heal from diseases but not vax injury.
 

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I always say that actually I would rather my child caught certain diseases so that he would have real lifelong immunity. I <i>don't</i> want him to <i>not</i> get sick. I believe that infectious diseases are healthier than toxic chemical-laden vaccines.
 

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<i>It's a very common misconception, but in fact, the opposite is true - the few unvaccinated children plus vaccinated a long time ago adults keep the vaccinated children from dying out of the planet by sharing their real immunity.</i><br><br><br>
Worked for me every time. People just get <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">: and start avoiding me (not my kids - me. Insanity is feared more than infection <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> )
 

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I would say that I am not relying upon the herd to give immunity to my child. RATHER I am relying upon my collective knowledge of what is in the vaccines -- and not agreeing with the ingredients -- and I do not fear the diseases themselves. I have read up on the actual diseases and feel confident I can obtain treatment for my child should they contract the disease. That it is my own personal decision as to what is best for my child -- as it is their decision as to what is best for their child. What is best for one is not always what is best for the other!<br><br>
I like Spy's answer. Talk over their heads...<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 

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Ask them who they're depending on to keep <i>them</i> healthy.<br><br>
Tell them vaxes don't last forever. They may not be as immune to diseases as they think.
 

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I tell them that I'd rather my kids get the diseases then rely on a shot to build up their immunities. They look at me like I've sprouted another head, but eh, whatever.
 

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I respond by pointing out that vaccines aren't 100% effective (some not even close) and my children aren't "depending" on vaccinated children any more than those for whom the vaccine didn't "take" are. I also point out that we go out of our way to make sure we are healthy and not exposed (at least to those diseases we don't want them to have) and practice good nutrition and hygiene.<br><br>
Staying healthy isn't an accident and it isn't reliance upon others.
 
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