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i know most of you somehow manage to keep your babies on you all day but i just can't do that. the last week has been horrid here though. R used to do ok after being put to sleep to be put in the swing. i got a bouncer finally cause he really hates the swing epecially now. he was then ok to lay down for about half an hour by himself, half wake/cry, put him back to sleep repeat...the last week it's gone to almost nothing. he'll be ok for about 2 seperate half hour naps. he is NOT done napping when he wakes up. he pretty much always wakes up grumpy even in the morning. i do swaddle him. i've tried letting him fall asleep on his tummy sucking his hand. he's refusing the paci more and more from me (he used to do just fine). he's not hungry when he wakes up. he just doesn't seem to like to sleep during the day but that's not to say that he isn't tired cause he is. he's exhausted but won't get into a deep sleep like at night. even nursing on the boob he seems to be awake more than asleep...course that could be me moving around. i am at my wits end. i don't feel like i can do anything with him strapped to me. we are moving on SATERDAY and the house has not been started to be packed and no there's no friends or family who can come help. i thought 6 weeks things got better but here i am feeling like things are spiraling towards worse. i have 2 more kids to take care of this summer and i just have no idea how i'm going to do this with a baby who doesn't take a nap even though he desperatly needs it
 

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I don't have advice, just commiseration. DS doesn't sleep great in his crib or co-sleeper during the day, though he does fine at night. He usually gets about 45 minutes in there, whereas he'll sleep for hours when one of us is wearing him. So we just wear him.... but we're not packing for a move!
 

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S had been taking some great naps (2 hours sometimes!) up until a week or so ago. Now she's awake almost all day, but often catnaps for 5-10 minutes in a light sleep, or seems like she's falling into a deep sleep and then doesn't. It's frustrating but I have to wonder if that's what's helping her sleep so well at night, so I'm trying to go with the flow.<br>
I too, however, canNOT handle having baby on me all day. I keep thinking of the expression "touched out" that I learned here. I don't get that so much as just "attentioned out". As a 31 year old who works at home by myself, and is a pretty independent person used to having a LOT of down time to myself (and requiring it), the thing I am consistently struggling with most is just finding the time I need for myself. So I try to put S down as much as I can (and when I feel guilty about that, I remember that I kiss her about a thousand times per day, and we have lots of snuggling time, lots of nursing time, and lots of times where she absolutely can't stand for me to not hold her). Lately she hates the swing but, what do I know, she's happily rocking in it right now, wide awake.<br>
She'll fall asleep when in the sling or moby, or car (unless she's screaming), and sometimes if I nurse her a lot and rock her or give her the paci (she only takes it sometimes). She'll also occasionally fall asleep sititng in her boppy or in her vibrating chair.<br>
Today she only slept deeply for one 45 minute nap, and we had a fair number of activities, so I'm surprised she's still so wide awake. I can't wait until her sleeps are more "real" and catnaps are less - assuming that such a thing happens <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"><br>
I found myself, during that 45 minute nap today, unable to relax, because I felt like I was spending the whole time going "it could end at any time!!".<br>
I need to work on that. As well as not just watching tv the whole day while playing with her...
 

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Anna sleeps in the swing or basinette for most of her naps. Or, if we've been out in the car she'll often stay sleeping in the bucket seat for a bit once home.
 

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Sounds like Hamish!... Hes tired but he hardly sleep during the day unless he is on me in the wrap AND I am continously walking or staying perfectly still. Apart from the continuous walking - he really doesn't like other kinds of movement. And as a mother of two (he isn't an only! lol) - I am always moving! lol He sleeps really well at night though - so odd! Swaddling (which we discovered the past three days! hehe) seems to help him to get to sleep (cause then he isnt flailing his arms and legs all over the place - keeping himself even more awake)...and stay asleep a bit longer. If I swaddle him <i>before</i> he goes to sleep, then I can usually put him down for a bit down! - YAY! ...but remember - if a baby wakes up in a different place to where they first fell asleep, they may be like 'woah! - where am I?! - Am I safe? - Where is mummy?!!!'...and then fully wake up then! (and not too happy) Apparently a baby's sleep cycle is an hour long. The first bit is REM and then they go into deep sleep (coming out of deep sleep roughtly every hour - if all is well (not hungry, cold, scared, etc) - then they stay asleep and cycle again back into deep sleep). Hamish gets plenty of REM and it sounds like so does your little one...just not enough deep sleep! And the more overtired they get, the more unhappy all around they get! It is now 1PM and Hamish has not had any deep sleep yet and has been awake since 6 this morning. Thats tough going for a newborn! lol<br><br>
I would say what might help is to get to him first before he starts letting you know that he is really tired - NOW!... Try getting him to off to sleep before it gets to that point. It helps. But I know its not always easy as its not always that clear. With Hamish - for example...today...hasn't been so clear about that. But then he is usually such an alert and 'awake' baby. He can go from happy alert to I need sleep NOW in a matter of seconds! (and then thats more work to help him get to sleep and stay that way for a healthy amount of time - than if I was able to help him get to sleep before it got to that point).<br><br>
I honestly don't remember it being this complicated with DS1. If we were on the move - we were on the move! If he was tired, he just went to sleep! This one needs SO much more help from me in many ways! ...and he really doesn't like being disturbed! If he is asleep - thats it! We have to plan leaving the house around this! lol
 

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Usually she starts squirming and grunting at about 6 am, and then we stay curled up in bed until 8-9 with her nursing off and on and me trying to catch seconds of sleep when I can.<br><br>
Then she's usually up for a while, and then takes a nice long nap in the swing. Then it all varies. Sometimes she sleeps most of the day, sometimes she cries, sometimes she's quietly alert.<br><br>
Her days just aren't as predictable as her nights.
 

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i'm with rhi, charlie isn't as predictable during the day as at night.<br><br>
he does usually sleep with small awake times for eating and while diapering, til after lunch, but the afternoon/evening are a toss-up.<br><br>
sometimes he has several times of being awake that are an hour each. sometimes he sleeps and sleeps and then is awake for 3,4,5 hrs in one stretch.<br><br>
the new thing is a fussy period b/n 7:30 and 10pm. last night he did this, and then was wide awake still until almost midnight, but not fussy. i do think if i had gone to sleep before that myself, he would have settled down too. we usually are in bed by around 10.<br><br>
it's strange now that he is making a transition into more awake and less sleeping. i don't really know what is normal or what i should be doing to help him sleep best, or how to help prevent the fussy time at night, or even if that is possible. i've just been going with the flow i guess.<br><br>
dhinderliter, i know charlie will nap better if i hold or wear him for at least one nap per day. is it possible for you to do it SOME, maybe in the morning during his first nap? that way he gets some mommy closeness in? maybe he'd nap better the other times then?
 

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i do just snuggle her all day - but not trying to pack. You might try back wearing?<br><br>
I will say though, if she sleeps poorly during the day, she gets very cranky. if I make the effort to have her sleeping better during the day, by whatever means, she is much happier.
 

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I've found that with all my kids day time was just so unpredictable. There was not real pattern until they were older. Rowena usually gets up at 6 and we nurse, lay around until she goes back to sleep and then so do I (usually around eight). She wakes up for good around ten, and then she's up for an hour before "having breakfast" and passing out at the boob. I do my internet stuff then as she will wake up if I try to lay her down.<br><br>
After this it's totally unpredictable. Sometimes she's fussy and wants to be held. Sometimes she sleeps all day, and sometimes she's awake and alert. Yesterday for example she was up for five hours. She was awake for the car ride to the store, awake while I wore her to shop, awake for the car ride to the old house. At the old house, she sat in her bouncy seat and was entertained by my son. I had to nurse her once but other than that she didn't cry at all. However, the day we moved, she cried anytime I put her down, and I had to wear her while we moved the big stuff.<br><br>
She's not overly fond of baby wearing though. I think she'll like it when I can put her in holds where she can see what's going on. What she likes the most is to have me sit and hold her which I would LOVE to be able to do. If she's sleeping I just suck it up and hold her because I don't like grumpy baby! This has meant that packing has gone really really slow. Dh has had to do much more than we planned but I am really at a lost as to what we can do!
 

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P&H~ i wondered if holding him for a nap would help and haven't quite tried that yet...he's done some super short naps where by the time he finishes nursing and is just holding onto the nipple and i realize it he's already had his "nap" so i "held" him the entire time. however he really only slept 20 minutes for that nap! i'm like uh wait...your 6 weeks old...you are supposed to sleep longer than that!!!<br><br>
GTG~ I read that you had to wear her to move stuff and i'm just flabbergasted! wow...i am not even a novice at babywearing yet though....are they ready for back carry's already? he has fab head control but i just don't remember when they can be on your back. i have the ergo and a "moby".<br><br>
ann~ i swaddle him all the time for naps. i had even been able to get him to go to sleep on my chest unswaddled (so he could suck on his fist) and then swaddle him on my lap while asleep and then rerock back to a deeper sleep and then put down. i also have gotten to him plenty of times before he's overly tired. i'll get him asleep pretty easy and put him down but again he'd be up in half an hour.
 

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I'm starting to think that we're going to have to swaddle for naps, too, and go through the standard bedtime routine. She's falling into a light sleep a ton of times per day, and I keep thinking she's in a deep sleep, but then she wakes up within 5 minutes. I think we would both be a lot more rested and content if she could drift off for at least an hour a few times per day! But it can take up to two hours at night to get her to go to bed.<br>
How do you put your LO down for a nap if s/he seems wide awake or is resisting sleep like mine? Do you follow their cues, or pick a few times a day to give it a shot?<br>
I can get her to fall asleep pretty well if she is on me, but of course the second I move, she's wide awake again.<br>
Also, not to totally thread hijack, but the babywearing is getting harder and harder. The sling is tough for me for long periods of time, the moby works inconsistently and sometimes infuriates her, and she canNOT stand the ergo. Is she maybe just too little for the ergo (with infant insert), or perhaps Im doing it wrong? I would've thought she'd love being right up against my chest with her feet frogged in it but she HATES it for now.
 

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We just from the swing during the day to her crib. She was starting to really become aware of stuff going on around her, so now when we are home she sleeps swaddled in the crib w/ white noise. When we are out and about, she sleeps on me.<br><br>
A tip I read which I think makes a lot of sense is babies this age can't really handle more than 2 hours of awake time. After that, they get crabby and harder to go to sleep. That has proved very true for Elise -- she's more like 1.5 hours.
 

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Liz, that totally confirms for me that this little lady is not getting enough daytime sleep. She is doing pretty well with the fussin' these days (it's at least lessened or has more obvious causes when she does it) but gets really overexcited sometimes and I have to cuddle her pretty close to get her to calm down. She's doing light catnaps at least every few hours but nothing longer than a half hour or very deep.<br>
I'm giving in and am going to buy a more fancy swing than the one we have now - which she hates - and hope it will take at least SOME of the many hours of rocking I do per day...<br>
we'll see...<br>
Does anyone put their LO down somewhere in pretty deep darkness during the day? DD is waking up at the crack of dawn every morning, and since I just read in the Sears book that it can help to have darker shades to keep them asleep (and I took that as confirmation that I won't be a bad mom if I do it!), I was wondering if that might help in the daytime as well? Wouldn't want to confuse her days and nights, though...
 

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i am hoping that the move to a new house changes this stuff. the bedroom is the living room and there is no place to put him that is quiet. i have white noise and the radio playing around him to try and drown out the kids or the tv or whatever but its just not working i guess. new house in a few days, new house in a few days, new house in a few days. if that doesn't help i am gonna scream, go crazy and pull out my hair cause although i know he's an easy baby he's my most difficult and with 2 kids, and then 2 more i've never met joining us i just can't fathom that i am going to survive this kid.<br><br>
yesterday i tested out holding him for his first nap/having him on me. he slept for an hour <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/joy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="joy"> although he did wake up in between and had to be put back to sleep but it was quick. i got a half hour nap out of it cause holding him makes me tired <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngtongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick Out Tongue"> his afternoon nap went ok but i had to kick the other 2 out for the entire time in order for it to work. i had also put him down in the crib instead of in the chair or swing.<br><br>
last night sleeping SUCKED. the night before it had been great!<br><br>
this mornings nap wasn't to horrendous and he woke up decently nice although a short nap. this afternoon so far he fell asleep in the swing (wow!) but again only slept for 1/2 hr and woke up screaming and didn't want to be consoled. it was close to feeding but i had to finish folding some laundry in order to gain some space to feed him so he screamed a while. now i'm feeding and of course...he's falling "asleep" and i'm sure he'll wake up 2.3 seconds after i put him down. shoot me now plz
 

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It really does vary. I'm with you on disliking the whole half awake, half asleep stuff and not settling down for a long nap! It's 3pm and we woke up at 7am (sleeping in for us) and he maybe slept for an hour so far in small little chunks here and there. He'll drift off to sleep on the boob, but won't stay asleep if I try to put him down. I think he is also making up for yesterday though. He slept so well all day, I was a happy camper. He would fall asleep in the swing on his own and stay asleep for longer than an hour at a time! It was nice, but those are rare days, when it happens. I gave up swaddling around two weeks because I figured out that he sleeps really well at night anyhow and will oversleep, while swaddled. By oversleeping I mean, he won't let me know when he is getting ready to go potty by moving around and grunting. Carrying in the sling, wrapped tight to me serves the same function, so a lot of times I will do that, if he is fussy to go to sleep in other ways. Maybe I'll try swaddling today, as I really need my break!
 

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I've figured out baby Ada's cues. When she's sleepy she will nurse, but then she usually doesn't nurse to sleep. (DD1 always nursed to sleep...) Instead she starts fussing and she specifically says, "aya aya aaaaaaaaangg" when she wants me to put the boob away and rock her to sleep. She often fights sleep until I put her in the ring sling. She has to be upright with her left leg bent froggy style and her right leg sticking out around my hip. Don't ask how I finally got all of this figured out. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><br><br>
DD also kind of hates babywearing, unless she's in this one ring sling in that exact position. (And funny, it's the ring sling my DD1 hated and I never used it. Tried it as a last resort with DD2 and she loves it.) The only downside is she doesn't like her head tucked in, so I can't bend over much or she flops and wakes up. Yesterday I managed to get her in one of my wraps and I was able to till up my entire garden. She fell asleep while I was tilling! It was loud and sweaty, lol.<br><br>
Today for the first time I tried nursing her to sleep in bed, and I'm working up the nerve to sneak away! I'm waiting until she's napped for half an hour or so in case she wakes up when I move away.<br><br>
My older DD didn't nap without being glued to my body through the first year. It was HARD, but somehow we survived.<br><br>
One thing I've noticed--when I have trouble getting her to go to sleep if I carry her outside in the bright sunlight she'll have to close her eyes since she hates the glare. Then she'll often accidentally fall asleep. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink">
 
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