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Other than reading N&PD, one of the most convincing arguements to me for eating TF are the healing stories of so many mamas on this forum who used to be vegan or vegetarian. I'm really starting to feel like I'm one of the few here who never tried that way of eating (only due to my inability to give up meat and cheese). Can we do a quick roll call? I'm just curious.
 

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Raising hand.......

I was veg for 10+ years - all of my 20's because I believed it was healthier. At first I felt great, but later I started craving meat. I ate dairy and some eggs through that time, but I also did the 'low fat' thing, so, well....

So for the past several years I've been eating poultry and lots of eggs and butter. In the past 2 years I finally reintroduced red meat, which I now feel I desperately need.

Then when my DD was born, she reacted to dairy and soy in my breastmilk, so I had to cut both out for a year. During that time I discovered TF, so consider the no soy part a blessing (I now do a little miso or tofu occasionally), but was grateful when at around 14 months I could finally reintroduce dairy. Then I found raw dairy....

It is such a journey, isn't it?
 

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I was never veg, but would have strongly considered it had I not been married very young to my wonderful dh who hunts! Now I'm so glad that I never went that. I did do all the lowfat stuff, though. It was always a point of pride to make a dessert or meal with as many low-fat substitutes as possible.

I agree with Moneca that the stories of those of you who used to be veg/vegan have been really inspiring to me.

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I was a veg before I got married, then my now ex husband started cooking and it was all over with. He would cook and then I would cook we would sit at the table together and he would eat off of my plate but I would only look at his. One day he went to the restroom and he came back, all of his chicken was gone!!!
The rest is history.......
 

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I was vegetarian for about 17 years (except about 8 months when I was on tour and staying veg was too hard) and tried veganism twice - the first time for about 4 months and the second time for 6 months. I also did the low-fat thing forever...I was raised on nonfat milk!

I read Nourishing Traditions about 18 months ago, but didn't make the switch - I actually did my second vegan stint AFTER reading it! I couldn't tell you why. Anyway, this past winter I had all sorts of physical problems - got the flu twice, had 6 or more colds, had a skin reaction after taking iodine supplements, weird stuff. I attributed all of this to the vegan diet, and indeed after I stopped eating vegan my health improved considerably.

Now I consider myself an omnivore - I eat raw dairy, pasture-fed eggs, fish and seafood, local organic produce, and occasionally the best poultry I can find. I'm trying to get into the habit of having liverwurst once a week or so (I loved it when I was a kid). My DP still won't eat poultry (the smell of it makes him nauseous) but he has consented to the very occasional cut of grass-fed beef.

Probably more than you wanted to know, but that's my story!
 

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I grew up on a standard western diet, but probably better than most as my parents weren't well-off enough for us to have too much junk food in the house. I was very healthy but had acne once puberty hit.

I left home in my early 20s and got sucked in to thinking that vegetarianism was healthier, but despite my best efforts I just couldn't do it. (I've since found out that I have a strong protein-type metabolism.) So instead, I concentrated on trying to keep animal products to a minimum and did the low-fat thing.

By 30, I had developed chronic asthma, had chronic candida problems, eczema on my legs and lower lip, couldn't conceive and still had acne. Enter Nourishing Traditions.

I couldn't begin to describe the feelings I had reading this book. I felt the weight falling off my shoulders as I realised there was no need to feel guilty about meat any more. And I was so angry at all the misinformation out there.

Over the next six months I ate NT. The candida cleared up, I was able to halve my asthma medication, I became pregnant and gave birth to a beautiful healthy little girl with a wide, well-proprtioned face and palate.

Over the last three years, I've continued my NT journey, slowly, slowly, one step at a time. (I'm now starting raw meat!) Six months ago, I started taking evening primrose oil and CLO. The eczema that plagued my lower lip hasn't made an appearance since and it's almost gone on my legs. The acne is vastly reduced (about 80-90% less) but I suspect I'm still missing a piece of the puzzle for this problem.

So, in short, while my story isn't a vegetarian to NT story, it is non-the-less a healing story.
 

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I've always been omni...ate a slightly healthier than normal version of the SAD (homecooked meals) as a child. I never agreed with the ethical reasons for being veg and didn't get too into the supposed "health benefits", either, although I did try to limit saturated fats for a few years.
 

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I was a vegetarian for several years during college and afterward. I leaned towards natural foods and ate almost completely organic (though I still bought pasteurized dairy products and ate both whole and refined grains). During my first pregnancy, I suffered from horrible morning sickness. Later in that pregnancy, my body sent me a strong message to start eating red meat, and that was when I stopped being a vegetarian. I became a whole-foods omnivore, generally adhering to the mainstream natural/organic concepts (I mostly followed the Best Odds diet during my second pregnancy, for example).

Since then, it's been a long slow evolution towards more sustainable living, more whole foods, getting closer to the source, learning about raw dairy and grass-fed animal products, adding BO/CLO to our diets, dabbling in raising our own foods both animal and vegetable, and I'm sure there are a hundred other improvements that I have yet to learn about.
It's such a growing process, life!
 

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I was quasi-vegetarian throughout my teens and early twenties. Influenced by the low-fat mantra of the time, I generally thought all meat was unhealthy and fattening and I avoided it whenever I could.

This was tied into being anorexic when I was in my mid teens--at that time I existed on little else but fruit, plain popcorn, plain bagels, pasta, and the like. I drove my mom crazy refusing to eat all her meals. I was terrified of eating any fat or animal products whatsoever.

My fear of fattening food lessened gradually over the years, but I still preferred vegetarian food. This changed when I was pregnant with my first child--my husband pretty much demanded that I eat stuff like meat and eggs, and he eve *gasp* made me drink milk! At the time I really didn't like the idea of milk, so I had to have chocolate milk to be able to choke it down...


So I stopped being so uptight about what I ate...but as the years passed I developed health problems (endometriosis). I had read on several websites that endo can be controlled by avoiding animal products entirely. So that's what I did, and I was strictly vegan for a few months--I drank gallons of soy milk, which gave me atrocious gas pains and made me feel awful. My endo got worse, and I ended up having surgery.

Shortly after that I was still in a lot of pain, but I got pregnant again so my endo went away for a time. During that pregnancy I craved meat and cheese like crazy! I think it's because I had been vegan for a while before conceiving. So I gave in and started eating what I craved.

My endo has gradually subsided over the years. I can't really say why, but I can say that I have never gone back to a vegan or vegetarian diet. Around the time I was vegan, I also started having blood sugar problems (it crashes so easily) so now I know that I need to eat LOTS of protein or I just feel awful. I eat eggs and cheese and sausage every morning with sprouted bread and I feel great!

One other thing I found was that when I switched from using vegetable oils to animal fats like bacon grease and butter for cooking (and also stopped using margerine), I stopped getting heartburn and digestive problems.

I'm not way into TF like some people--not yet, anyway--but just increasing the animal products and removing vegetable oils and soy from my diet I feel a lot healthier! Traditional foods just feel good in my belly.


I will never be veg*n again. It seems to work for some people, but not for me. My body just needs meat.
 

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I was veg from age, oh, 11 or 12 until my mid-20s. Then I was "flexitarian" for several years.

I can't rightly say whether or not I felt better or worse when I became veg. I was too young, I didn't know any other vegetarians to guide me, my parents were willing to put up with my decision, but didn't really go out of their way to learn how to provide for me (and it's not like vegetarianism was so common then that such information was easy to find.) I was never a serious junk food veggie. Despite my enduring sweet tooth
as long as I can remember, I was very health-foodie minded. My grandfather gardened extensively, so until he died we had no shortage of vegetables in our diet. We were dirt poor at that time, so we used some awful things like powdered milk
: but I was on feingold so by and large our diet was better than average. That all made a big impression on me, so I was always trying to eat healthy food. Granted, my idea of healthy food has changed drastically since then! But I've always recognized vegetables and other whole foods, lower sugar, whole grains as goals, even when I was a young teen.

As I came through high school and met more vegetarians, found more cookbooks, etc. my diet began to be more balanced - I learned how to use beans more, etc. By the time I got to college, I'd say my diet was Pretty Darned Good. Not as perfect as I'd do vegetarian now if I still were (i.e. today I wouldn't use TVP, and instead of vaguely avoiding PHOs, I would avoid them like the plague), but definitely not a junk food diet. Through that time I thought I felt good - but I was constantly exhausted. I remember that being a recurring theme all through school - constantly falling asleep at my desk, not even hearing the alarm clock in the morning. I was an exercise junkie, but I could never lose weight and I always felt like my muscles were too weak/tired to do what I was asking of them despite my very reasonable exercise regime. I got bronchitis every single winter. I constantly had zits.

The first change I noticed when I added meat into my diet was the energy thing. I still don't like to wake up in the morning
but, I actually hear the alarm and can get up early if I need to. I am not falling asleep all freakin' day. The muscle thing when exercising was big, too. I can work out so much harder - even when I slack off my workouts for a while, I can get back into the swing of it without feeling like I'm falling apart. My skin has cleared up. I rarely get sick anymore, and when I do it's usually a simple stuffy nose, not bronchitis.

I've played around with meat in my diet to see how much and how often I need it. I ate almost no meat in the month I did a raw food challenge. I've found that I do best with meat frequently, but it doesn't have to be large amounts. My energy levels stay best all day if I have some at breakfast and lunch; I could take it or leave it at dinner time (though that conflicts with the whole dinner-as-social-slow-food-occasion goal.)

You know the funny thing is, I ate vegetarian/flexitarian for *so* many of the years in which I've been responsible for feeding myself (I don't want to say adult years, as I'm including all through my teens) that when I get lazy, meat is usually the first thing to go. When I'm feeling lazy, I'm likely to steam or roast some veggies and boil some rice for a meal. A lazy breakfast will be grain (homemade granola with milk and fruit, sourdough spelt bagel with cream cheese or peanut butter.)
 

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I had avoided red meat/pork from 12-21. Always did low-fat/ high carb dieting. After my first baby I had severe PPD and about 1.5 years later I was a strict veg ala "Eat to Live" (mostly raw produce, whole foods, super low fat). Then I had a m/c at 13 weeks with a severe hemmorage that left me with an ambulance ride and a few hospitaliztions.

I researched when I got home and talked with my best friend who was just getting into Nourishing Traditions. After reading NT and articles on WAPF I realy felt my m/c was at least partly caused from lack of retinol and other defiencies.http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyour...n-a-fetal.html A few months later I read NandPD and felt convinced traditional foods was the way to go.

Ds, dh and I are feeling great. (We have done TF for about 15 mos now) Whenever I see my dad he comments that we all look so healthy. I am off all depression meds/ supplements and feel great on low-carb TF. My ds sleeps better and gained needed weight instantly on whole goat milk, clarified butter and coconut poducts. Dh loves the food and feels more full and stronger after eating.

Sometimes I do feel nervous about all the fat and meat, but my health has had such a radical turn around that I cannot imagine that it would be healthier to be a low-fat veg.
 

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Mostly vegetarian for 4 years while I was living with a boyfriend who was vegetarian. I would eat meat occasionally while eating out. I gained 30 pounds in those years, got fibro breasts and horrible pms, nail fungus, bad moodswings and lots of dental issues (while I neven even had a cavity before). I dont know if I can blame that all on not eating meat. But I do know that I lost all the 30 pounds and more within a 6-9 months after eating meat again ( without trying), lumpy boobs went away and so did the pms (mostly, I still have to take extra magnesium). I was kind of mainstream omni for 4 years or so after that and for the last 5-6 years or so I have been paleo/NT (with the occasional relapse...
). 1 1/2 years ago found out I am allergic to gluten, but still do even better not eating any grains....but I do fall off the wagon sometimes


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I was veg for only about a year, 6 years ago or so, about half of that time was no dairy with only the occasional egg from my own chickens as animal product (like, oh, two a week - we only had a few hens at that point). I didn't develop any health problems during that time, but began to feel profoundly unsatisfied with food, started to gain weight, and my skin got dry and older looking. That in combination with the tooth problems my son was having caused me to continue my quest for nutrition information, which brought me to TF/NT and the concept of nutrient density and nutrient availability, changed my concept of 'healthy fats' and helped me realize what I'd been not getting. I grew up eating quasi-healthy at home (lots of whole grains, veggies, home-cooked meals for the most part, but we did switch to lowfat milk and margarine at some point, and had some junk around - top ramen and oreos come to mind), did lowfat but not veg during my early 20s and also ate a lot of junk (but it was lowfat junk!), then gradually reduced animal foods but moved back to more whole grains, more veggies, all organic, etc., before going all the way veg for that short time.
 

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I tried to go veg when I was about 22 or 23. I lasted a whole week.


My body is DEFINITELY made for meat. I was raised on wild game, fish, and organic veggies and my body is at its happiest when I can get as close to that as possible.
 

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I went veg when I was 20. It lasted for about 4 months, until I started getting crazy heart palpitations all the time. After a lot of expensive tests, they determined I had mitral valve prolapse. I turned down their drugs and researched it on my own and discovered that my palpitations were pretty much directly caused by eating lots of carbs - something I had ramped wayyyy up when I started eating veg, as my staple had gone from meat to beans/rice. That's what got me started on the path to being very interested in nutrition and eventually led me to the low-carb omnivorous paleoish TF-ish diet I eat today.
 

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I was a vegetarian for a few years.

I wasn't a vegan, I did eat dairy and eggs.

Like others I became quite ill.

After having my dd and modding here I went the TF route.

Again I became incredibly ill.

It would be years before I was diagnosed with a milk allergy. Both times, I had made myself sick. It really annoyed the heck out of me too as all those fancy milk products I had been enjoying were making things *worse* not better.


I have IC, and that has a large impact on my diet. It is basically like someone hit the reset button and I had to learn all over again about different foods and how things would effect me.

One thing that I learned from extensive communication with other IC patients is that the impact on what we put in our bodies is very individual. What some can eat, others cannot. What one person will thrive on, can have detrimental effect on another.

The only thing people can do is give things a try and see how well they work with that person and their family. People cannot predict what impact different foods will have on another.

We now eat a combination of things, I cannot take vitamins, even the buffered kind can aggravate my symptoms so trying to juggle for nutrient requirements can be challenging.

I do eat soy, I drink soy milk occasionally and eat fake cheese now and then. But it isn't a large or even significant aspect of my family's diet. My dd and dh do eat dairy.

Different things really *do* work for different people. But that is just my experience having tried different diets, different elimination diets and starting all over again.


I am still not seeing relief from my symptoms and plan on giving that reset button a good wack pretty soon. I am just working on figuring out "what next?"
 

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I was quasi-vegetarian throughout my teens and early twenties. Influenced by the low-fat mantra of the time, I generally thought all meat was unhealthy and fattening and I avoided it whenever I could.
I also avoided meat, dairy, and saturated fat in general for ten years starting in my mid-twenties. I wouldn't make any meat for myself at meals, choosing to replace these with fake soy equivalents; my ex would cook meat with dinner, but not every night, and only use it as a condiment rather than the main course, unless it was a special occasion (once a year he'd make me a steak for my birthday, for instance).

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So I stopped being so uptight about what I ate...but as the years passed I developed health problems (endometriosis). I had read on several websites that endo can be controlled by avoiding animal products entirely. So that's what I did, and I was strictly vegan for a few months--I drank gallons of soy milk, which gave me atrocious gas pains and made me feel awful. My endo got worse, and I ended up having surgery.
The main reason I eliminated most meat from my diet and went low-fat, high soy was because of what I read in Christiane Northrup's Women's Bodies, Women's Wisdom. I had bad cramps and moderate PMS, and thought that the dietary changes she recommends in the book would improve them.

Instead, my symptoms got progressively worse. When I hit my early 30s, I had excruciating cramps, horrible PMS, suicidal depression, and weight gain. I also started getting a pain in my side, which turned out to be an ovarian cyst and uterine fibroid. I was also diagnosed with endometriosis at this time.

Despite all this, I didn't clue into my diet as being the culprit until I read Nourishing Traditions.


Although I had an AHA moment, it took about two years for me to overcome most (not all!) of the low-fat paranoia to add enough saturated fat to my diet. Every since I've incorporated the changes, I've had zero hormonal issues. They are simply, magically, gone.
 

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I was a vegetarian for 21 years (4yrs-25 yrs), after meeting my dh I started eating eggs and fish. When I was pregnant with my first I was extremely anemic. I have always been slightly anemic, but it got much worse so I started eating chicken.

I've just recently begun a TF diet. We now get pastured eggs, chicken, raw milk and butter, and grass fed beef. I haven't tried any red meat but dh and ds eat it. I have a hard time even eating chicken, I know it's good for me it's just a texture thing. We also take CLO and cook with coconut oil and ghee. I do feel stronger and healthier, I was always sick before. My little one has gained some weight and is also healthier.

It's great hearing about so many people with the same sort of background!
 
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