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How safe has bushco being keeping us?

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bushco has been all about keeping us safe, right? All about protecting america, right. Then how came it took this long for an amendment like this to pass through congress?

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The House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee today adopted an amendment by Congressman Jerrold Nadler and Ranking Member James Oberstar to implement 100-percent scanning of shipping containers bound for the United States. Nadler and Oberstar introduced a standalone version of the legislation, the Sail Only if Scanned (S.O.S.) Act, in March.
You mean we haven't been checking 100% of shipping containers coming to the us? What percentage have been checked?

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"Right now only about 5 percent of all containers coming into our ports are physically inspected. The technology already exists to do so, and is being used both at the port of Hong Kong AND at the port of Boston to screen inbound cargo. Last week House Republicans on the Homeland Security Committee defeated my amendment to require 100 percent cargo screening.
5 % are you freakin kidding me? And how about those house republicans saying no to 100% screening. Whats up with that? And homeland security--well we all know thats a joke.

http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press...ass040506.html
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Don't I know it. I watch the ships from the my office window. There has been a lot of port security around this week...kindof freaking me out.
That's pretty old news to me. My understanding is alot of drugs get smuggled in because the containers are like next to never checked.
Let's first ask the question, how did they let the 9/11 attacks happen in the first place? Because, please note, we had Clinton in office for eight years, including during the big January 1, 2000 date everyone was dreading. True, there was a major domestic terrorist attack during that time.

The whole trope about how people wouldn't have felt safe if Clinton or Gore had been in office after 9/11--if they had been in office, would that have even transpired?

The shipping containers thing--i wonder which of Bush's industrial constituencies wouldn't like the inspections?
As safe as prior administrations kept us. Which isn't saying much.

DC
Why is the conservative knee jerk reation to every flaw pointed out in the current administration to blindly point at past administrations? My point was that bushco is all about keeping us safe and protecting the us---they haven't done that!
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As safe as prior administrations kept us. Which isn't saying much.

DC
No, actually. My point was that they are keeping us LESS safe than prior administrations.

Do you disagree?
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No, actually. My point was that they are keeping us LESS safe than prior administrations.

Do you disagree?
Yes. I disagree. The terrorist networks weren't just formed when Bush took office. The sooner some people realize that, the more serious the issue will be taken and less wasted focus (by "politicizing" it) we will exert. Terrorism has been around a LONG time. Should we not be learning from our past and the past history of other countries? The blind trust and sheeple attitude some Americans possess, is appalling.

DC
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well, you know....us foreign policy has not changed all that much administration to administration....dems and repbs are all totally down for global capitalism/ne=oliberalism/imperialism, call it how you like...and that system oppresses and displaces people everywhere it goes, and when people are in desperate situations, they turn to desperate measures.

Add to that the US policy for decades of destroying all leftist movements around the world, including in the mid east region...by destroying the secular left movements, we've guaranteed that the only alternative to the soulles and people eating neoliberalism/global capitalism is religious extremism.

I know it totally irritates some of y'all when I say this, but I'll say it anyway:
We made our bed, the chickens are coming home to roost, etc etc etc and so on and so forth.

(Ok, so now someone ask me "why Do You Hate America?" come on, ask me!
)

So, yeah, it's bizarre, ironic, and scary that bushco talks so big about protecting us from terrorism but leaves enormous holes all over the place that are well known...but he's not pursuing a radically different foreign policy than, say, Clinton...he's just, well, it's like the same thing only on steroids.

(steroids and lsd, maybe)
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Hey now, don't be giving LSD a bad name by tying it to Bushco.
heh, you're right. More likely it would be some sort of pharnmaceutical psycho active drug. but somethihg to explain the bizarre worldview....apocalyptic tendencies mixed in with a blinding optimism (ie, everything is going my way, all the time, no matter what, right up until the rapture" or whatever...)
911 happened on bush's watch, so whats he do--creates homeland security..for what...to keep the homeland secure...but its not. I know that terrorist orgnaizations have been arouns a long time. I am specifically talking about what bushco has done and more importantly, not done, in reaction to 911
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Originally Posted by dallaschildren
Yes. I disagree. The terrorist networks weren't just formed when Bush took office. The sooner some people realize that, the more serious the issue will be taken and less wasted focus (by "politicizing" it) we will exert. Terrorism has been around a LONG time. Should we not be learning from our past and the past history of other countries? The blind trust and sheeple attitude some Americans possess, is appalling.
ITA America was never and never will be safe from terrorist. It's flawed thinking to believe that we are safe and snug on "this" side of the globe.
I want to know where Terrorismia is if we are in a war on Terror. It's about as good as Reagan's War on Drugs. Where was Drugia again? I mean it really doesn't work especially when you are backing some of the drug lord to help stablize or destablize as the "need" may be the country they are in. I mean wasn't US policy that helped the Taliban get into power in the 80's anyway, and wasn't Saddam given the Key to Detroit? He didnt' SUDDENLY get evil. He was ALWAYS evil. He just had to much sh!t we needed before.
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911 happened on bush's watch
I am sick to death of reading this. Ok, so now what? Seriously. We're really past that point aren't we? I am as sick of hearing this as some of you are of hearing Clinton's name mentioned. 9/11 was in the works for YEARS. And Osama carried out it out when Bush was about 8 months into his first term. Do we need to be reminded or perhaps educated on the terrorism timeline in our country? Those who have read past posts on how I feel about the job Bush has done since 9/11 with respect to terrorism, know full well I think it sucks. It resembles a horse and pony show. Or a magic trick....put the focus here and the American people will forget about this over there.....This is one area where MANY admins have failed us. Y'all are just giving Bush all of the props because he's an easy scapegoat...being currently in office and all.
ETA. I wish we would stop putting so much focus and energy into pointing a finger and instead becoming educated enough to lobby for better homeland security. I mean this with all of my heart. And it starts with you (general of coarse) and then we need to educate our children so future generations do not have to live through another 9/11 or worse.

DC
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9/11 was in the works for YEARS.
But it was carried out under bush's watch--coincidence-I for one do not think so. I am sorry that you are sick of hearing that. Really. But, imo, its a rather important point. One which I will continue to make.
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But it was carried out under bush's watch--coincidence-I for one do not think so. I am sorry that you are sick of hearing that. Really. But, imo, its a rather important point. One which I will continue to make.
And I will continue to repeat the truth instead of repeating the spin. Terrorism has been around a lot longer than Bush. Clinton had 8 years in office and he didn't do squat either. Who suffers? Bush? Nope. Guess again. Clinton. Nope. WE DO. The American people. The mothers, fathers, aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters, grandparents, partners, grandkids and so on and on for generations to come. I don't know how old you are but personally speaking, as a child of the 70's....I refuse to allow MY generation to be just another who didn't do crap, got caught up in the BS, and allow our politicans time to be magicians. That's not my legacy.

DC
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If you want to begin (or continue) educating yourself on homeland security, start by reading where the money is, or is suppose to go (how much is needed compared to how much was given):
http://www.ndu.edu/library/docs/crs/...50_14feb05.pdf

DC
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