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My husband is passive aggressive and can just plain be a jerk, but comes across as a nice guy to most people who don't really know him. He thinks he is a wonderful and loving husband. He thinks he is doing the right thing.

I didn't come on here to bash him, but to figure out how to deal with this and how to set a good example for my son. I admit, I have been doing a pretty miserable job so far. I am very impatient and just plain don't like or even love my husband anymore. He feels like the enemy, but he is my son's father and still my husband.

Everything I ask is a battle: If I ask my husband to take my son's jacket in the stroller in case he gets too cold, he says, he doesn't need it. I am not going to take it, it is fine. This is after I just checked to see that it was starting to get cold out.

If when I ask my husband to put diaper cream on my son after he forgot and our son is all ready for bed, he says he won't and argues with me. I can't drop everything and do everything. My son had a diaper rash.

Pretty every little thing I ask of him is a battle and he argues.

Tonight, I left the oven on after cooking, and we were sitting down to eat. He said, why is the oven on. I said, I forgot to turn it off. He sighs in an annoyed way and says that I am too forgetful. Mind you, I forget very little of anything, but occasionally leave on the stove or oven while we eat and my husband is the most forgetful person ever, asking me the same things 10 times and doesn't listen and forgets incessantly. Eventually this led to an argument and he is generally disrespectful, so I said I don't want to talk anymore you are being to disrespectful. I have warned him many times that if he starts being disrespectful I am going to stop talking. He ignores what I say, and just tries to talk about whatever whenever and then gets mad when I don't talk or repeat that I am not talking because I don't want to get in another argument and don't want to be disrespected. I feel at a loss, because he pushes my buttons and I lose my temper and we argue. It is like a constant power struggle.

I basically want to know how to handle it when your spouse is talking disrespectfully towards you or when they push your buttons. I have tried numerous things and nothing has worked so far and I always end up getting mad and frustrated. How do I deal with everything being a battle? Yes I have tried 100's of times to sit down and explain things to him. He only sees things from his point of view and thinks he is being respectful. I am not the only one who thinks he is mean and disrespectful
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How would you deal with this, counseling is something he won't do. Once the counselors tried to hold him accountable he quit. He won't read books or make any changes. So the changing is pretty much up to me and I don't know what to do.
 

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If you don't like or love him, I just don't know how you can work things out. IMHO, I would try to learn to do everything myself, and if things don't work out between the two of you, then at least you know you can do it yourself. As far as the petty bickering on his part, call it as it is; petty and pathetic. Ignorable.

Why do you want/need to be with someone you don;t love?
 

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If you don't like or love him, I just don't know how you can work things out. IMHO, I would try to learn to do everything myself, and if things don't work out between the two of you, then at least you know you can do it yourself. As far as the petty bickering on his part, call it as it is; petty and pathetic. Ignorable.

Why do you want/need to be with someone you don;t love?
The relationship obviously needs to change for the positive but I don't agree leaving is the right answer. Have you tried counseling for yourself, to change how you interact and break the pattern from your end? It must seem like an impossible mountain right now- it is so hard to break out of the negative cycle-but it sounds like you have trouble maintaining your respect and self-control when interacting with him. Have you guys always communicated this poorly? Is it possible that you are in a critical, defensive pattern? Him being critical of you to try to "get you before you get him" and maybe vice versa?
 

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Well, I came here to pretty much post the same things you said/asked. My DH sounds just like yours! I feel very disrespected by my husband as well..and the leaving the oven on scenerio all sounds too familiar. For example, yesterday we got a new washer & dryer, H put in the washer and it was un-even/wobbly so I grabbed a sock and tried stuffing it under.lol. then H in a decent tone says that he will get a leveler and tighten the screws. Then I pull the sock out and then in a loud more stern voice he says it again, "you need a leveler and tighten the screws!" I turned to him and said "why are you being an ass to me?", I then walked away in tears!
I pretty much feel at loss myself as to what to do. He alot of the time talks to me with a loud-yelling, stern voice that makes me feel disrespected. I tell him that and he denies that he was even yelling. Uuugh!!

I'm feeling annoyed myself and I'm working on my plan to leave. I feel very hurt. I feel like my H is very self absorbed. I've tried being happy. I've tried to be the most loving wife, but that just gets me a slap in the face. And how can a marriage even work when all you feel like u do is give and in return get disrespected!! it hurts.

Sorry mama..I hope someone here has some tools to work through this..I'll be taking notes..
 

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The relationship obviously needs to change for the positive but I don't agree leaving is the right answer. Have you tried counseling for yourself, to change how you interact and break the pattern from your end? It must seem like an impossible mountain right now- it is so hard to break out of the negative cycle-but it sounds like you have trouble maintaining your respect and self-control when interacting with him. Have you guys always communicated this poorly? Is it possible that you are in a critical, defensive pattern? Him being critical of you to try to "get you before you get him" and maybe vice versa?
I did try counseling for myself to handle myself better. It just became another area of arguing. My husband thought it was a waste of money and too expensive. I tried to get him to sit down and read a chapter in a book tonight about negotiation. The first thing he said to me was that it was up to me to except his opinions. Never mind that he says them in such a disrespectful way that shows no honor. Anyway, yes we are stuck in a critical defensive pattern on both ends.

To another pp, divorce isn't an option at this time. I am still trying to hold onto to the sacrament of marriage for the time being. IF things don't get any better in the future I couldn't imagine letting my son be alone with him so much if there was a separation. After I have exhausted all alternatives, then separation may be something that is necessary much later on after I get my son in school and got a job. So for now, I am working on my end and trying to see what I can do to make things more tolerable.
 

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Has he always been like this, or is having a child making it worse? Is he completely unwilling to admit that there are problems with they way you are communicating? It sounds like he is angry & resentful about you asking him to do things. Can you talk to him about what his expectations are in the life you have together? My method doesn't always work, but sometimes when people are trying to push my buttons and make little digs, I will attempt to open the conversation up by specifically restating things and pointing out how something could be interpreted as insulting, asking the speaker if s/he can see that, and asking what the problem is that is causing this kind of interaction. Some of my family doesn't react well to it, and I either get told that I'm too sensitive, or that they just completely ignore me after that, but I'm not really sure how else to actually go about it.
 

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My opinion, as unpopular as this may be is this: both of you go to marriage counseling. And give it a try.

If he doesn't want to try counseling, and if you're miserable, don't like him or love him - I'd leave.

Personally, I don't believe in staying in a marriage just because of the kids (I was raised by a single mom, and had great "father figures" in my life anyway). Kids are usually good at picking out what's really going on.

Nor do I think it's a good idea to stay in a marriage just for the sake of a promise you made. I mean, if you're miserable and don't love him or like him .... why spend your life in such a situation?! That's like being unhappy for most of your life. I can't imagine that this unhappiness doesn't spill over into other areas of your life. Not to mention your health.

So, I would give it one last go - attempt marriage counseling. But, if that fails ... why stay in such an unhappy situation?
 

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I don't agree that all of your examples are disrepectful. My advise: let things go if your H doesn't do things exactly like you do like the diaper cream and the coat. He's made it obvious he doesn't like you constantly criticizing the way he does things. And I agree with you that he shouldn't constantly criticize the way you do things (like the oven being on). You're both adults, give a little, get a little.
 

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My advice here won't necessarily be popular, but here are some things I did many years ago.

First I wrote him a letter telling him that I was unhappy and that he did not seem to think that should affect him. I said that from now on it would affect him. I told him what I would like to see happen. I said that while I hoped for the best, past evidence was that he chose to ignore my clearly stated needs and to that end I was putting in place some self protective practices.

1) If he spoke disrespectfully to me I would state that I would not accept being spoken to that way and walk out of the room.

2) If it continued I would ask him to leave the house (for a walk a drive, I didn't care) until he could come back and be pleasant and polite to me and the children.

3) If he would not leave then I would put the kids in the car and take them for a drive or outing. When I returned he would usually be somewhat apologetic, but if he wasn't then I simply did not speak to him except as it related to child care taking. "I am putting them to bed" or "its time to eat dinner" until such time as he approached me for resolution.

4) I also would not DTD on days that he spoke disrespectfully to me or was passive aggressive (he would know that it wasn't happening because of number one above where I point out when it happens).

5) I did things that made me happy independent of him. Arranged childcare so I could go to dinner with a friend or whatever. I continued to be a happy and productive person and he could marginalize himself and be just another tenant in our home or he could be a loving and respectful partner.

We don't have the perfect marriage, but he doesn't do anything close to the behaviors he used to.
 

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I don't agree that all of your examples are disrepectful. My advise: let things go if your H doesn't do things exactly like you do like the diaper cream and the coat. He's made it obvious he doesn't like you constantly criticizing the way he does things. And I agree with you that he shouldn't constantly criticize the way you do things (like the oven being on). You're both adults, give a little, get a little.
As much as I agree with that advise in theory, the examples the OP gave involved her child's health! Yes, getting cold outside and coming home sick won't kill him, nor will getting a diaper rash, but really, should a mom just let her husband do things "his" way if she knows it's not good for her child?! If so, where do you draw the line? What if a DH wants to let their child CIO? Or thinks that a young child should be allowed to run wild in a busy parking lot???
I don't think that this is fair!
 

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As much as I agree with that advise in theory, the examples the OP gave involved her child's health! Yes, getting cold outside and coming home sick won't kill him, nor will getting a diaper rash, but really, should a mom just let her husband do things "his" way if she knows it's not good for her child?! If so, where do you draw the line? What if a DH wants to let their child CIO? Or thinks that a young child should be allowed to run wild in a busy parking lot???
I don't think that this is fair!
You appear to be equating disagreeing with whether a child needs a coat with allowing your child to run wild in a busy parking lot. Do you really think this is a valid analogy?
 

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Wow are we married to the same man?

I am a pretty aggressive person myself so my reaction to urklepapa's similar d****nozzle behavior is to mock him for acting like a surly teenager, but the problem with this is that it ramps up the conflict to a level that he is perfectly comfortable with, and I can handle, but I am not jazzed about the children growing up thinking that people treating each other like this is normal. I think it's better for them to grow up with constant bickering and namecalling than it is for them to grow up seeing a man bully a woman and the woman to just take it. I also have a chronic condition that is aggravated by stress, and I've noticed that it flares up if he's being a buttmunch at me and I don't defend myself, but it doesn't flare up if I hold my ground. So this is the best of two bad options, but it's far from ideal. I am really sad that this is the tone of my household.

I was actually just coming here to post a thread on the subject - what do you do when your partner is just a jerkwad? Urklepapa has some mental health issues as well, but also, he's just a jerk. He doesn't have any friends and people literally shrink from him. I am developing a life that doesn't involve him as much as possible and eventually I think we will live in separate wings of a large house.
 

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You appear to be equating disagreeing with whether a child needs a coat with allowing your child to run wild in a busy parking lot. Do you really think this is a valid analogy?
You appear to be twisting my words... I was asking where do you draw the line...
 

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Please read this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Improve-Marria.../dp/0767923170

It will help tremendously. And I'd strongly recommend learning to pick your battles better. Yeah, it sucks getting nit picked and eventually you just want to throttle 'em. But, be the better person and let some things go. Instead of asking him to get the coat, just get it without saying a word. Don't like how he changed the diaper before bed? Do it yourself without criticizing his efforts. stop offering situations for him to argue about. Forgot to turn the oven on? If he reminds you or asks just say yep, I sure did, and go turn it off. Don't make mountains out of molehills. The worst that will happen is you are then being respectful and nice, and he will be clearly aware if he's not. Any time you sink to the pettyness you are equally as guilty, so don't do it!

HTH
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Please read this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Improve-Marria.../dp/0767923170

It will help tremendously. And I'd strongly recommend learning to pick your battles better. Yeah, it sucks getting nit picked and eventually you just want to throttle 'em. But, be the better person and let some things go. Instead of asking him to get the coat, just get it without saying a word. Don't like how he changed the diaper before bed? Do it yourself without criticizing his efforts. stop offering situations for him to argue about. Forgot to turn the oven on? If he reminds you or asks just say yep, I sure did, and go turn it off. Don't make mountains out of molehills. The worst that will happen is you are then being respectful and nice, and he will be clearly aware if he's not. Any time you sink to the pettyness you are equally as guilty, so don't do it!

HTH
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I totally agree with this. And also the above poster who mentioned doing things to make yourself happy. Rise above it all and determine not to be baited, and try to let go of the critical attitude. See him in a new light. Wake-up every day and think of something good about him. There has to be something good about him. Then try to compliment him or build him up in this area. You guys are on the same team- try to stop competing to be right.
 

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Please read this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Improve-Marria.../dp/0767923170

It will help tremendously. And I'd strongly recommend learning to pick your battles better. Yeah, it sucks getting nit picked and eventually you just want to throttle 'em. But, be the better person and let some things go. Instead of asking him to get the coat, just get it without saying a word. Don't like how he changed the diaper before bed? Do it yourself without criticizing his efforts. stop offering situations for him to argue about. Forgot to turn the oven on? If he reminds you or asks just say yep, I sure did, and go turn it off. Don't make mountains out of molehills. The worst that will happen is you are then being respectful and nice, and he will be clearly aware if he's not. Any time you sink to the pettyness you are equally as guilty, so don't do it!

HTH
Bellevuemama
I agree with most of what you're saying here about picking your battles and not being petty. However, I think you have to be careful with the "do over" type stuff like you are describing with just handing him a coat or redoing the diaper. That stuff _really_ grates on me. If I make an effort to do something, and my wife decides to put the finishing touch on it or whatever...that makes it feel like I didn't do it well enough. Especially if she huffs around sighing to make it obvious that that wasn't how she would do it. Most of the time that feels to me like I did 95% of the work, and then she acts like she "fixes" it by doing the remaining 5%. When in many cases, we just have different standards or priorities. Just let your DH make some of these decisions. If he's trying to get the work done...let him get it done. Let it go if he doesn't do it exactly the same way you do. Don't do a "do over".
 

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I hate to say it but he isn't going to change. nothing you do is going to change him unless he wants to make the change. and it doesn't even seem like he thinks there's a problem. frankly I wouldn't be with someone that didn't respect me. life's too short.. (and exactly why I left my first husband) you deserve better mama!


I can't even comprehend why staying would be better? why should you have to basically treat him like a child you are training when he is a grown man! (as one poster suggested above) or "choose your battles"? is that REALLY a marriage? sounds hellish to me..YOU DESERVE BETTER!
 

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I hate to say it but he isn't going to change. nothing you do is going to change him unless he wants to make the change. and it doesn't even seem like he thinks there's a problem. frankly I wouldn't be with someone that didn't respect me. life's too short.. (and exactly why I left my first husband) you deserve better mama!


I can't even comprehend why staying would be better? why should you have to basically treat him like a child you are training when he is a grown man! (as one poster suggested above) or "choose your battles"? is that REALLY a marriage? sounds hellish to me..YOU DESERVE BETTER!
yep. all of that.
 

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I hate to say it but he isn't going to change. nothing you do is going to change him unless he wants to make the change. and it doesn't even seem like he thinks there's a problem. frankly I wouldn't be with someone that didn't respect me. life's too short..
The only problem I see with this approach is that both people bear some responsibility for what their relationship becomes. If someone feels disrespected and moves on, there is a good chance that their next relationship will wind up having some of the same problems. (For instance, the classic mama thinks papa can't get it right and does it over for him. That's *both* people's problem. Or taking criticism personally -- yes, there is the issue of the form the criticism takes and the intent of the critic, but there is also the issue of the way the person criticized chooses to view the criticism, and how they choose to let it go or cling to it.)

Sometimes it is worth it to stay and work on the only person you ever have any control over -- you. If that leads to positive changes for the relationship, and the other person is able to see and own their part in it all, that's a win-win for everyone. And if it doesn't, at least you can let that relationship go and move on knowing that you are doing all that you can to create the life that you want for yourself, and to be the person that you want to be. This will help when building the next relationship... Nothing worse than recreating the same nightmares over and over and over again.
 
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