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I have a 6yo with ADHD and Oppositional Defiant Disorder. This means that pitting our wills against eachother is fruitless! I fed him wonderfully as a baby/toddler, but now he won't touch anything that grew from the ground! Not even canned corn! Now that he's been diagnosed with these things I'm trying to change his diet to eliminate additives and include fresh veggies. I've tried them swimming in cheese or ranch and it's no luck. I've tried making cool shapes, no luck. Everyone else eats them at the meal, even me and that's saying something <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment"> I've tried forcing him to eat one small bite before he can leave the table. That turns into an hour long ordeal. I'm thinking of making him take one bite before I'll serve his meal. We almost always have fruit for desert, but they have to earn it by eating a fair amount of dinner, including the one bit of veggie on the days when we try that. Any other ideas? Hiding them doesn't work well, he's got radar and picks them out no matter how small I dice them. I've told him how veggies help his brain and muscles and bones so he can be strong and fast and smart, and be a ~whatever it is this week~ when he grows up. I'm frustrated!
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"> boy, have I ever been there. Mine weren't quite as bad, but I do remember battles like that on occasion and how they LOVED veggies as infants but wouldn't barely touch them at 4 or 5.<br><br>
What about involving him in growing some veggies of his own? maybe with some pride of ownership in them he would sprout an interest in eating them?
 

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Yeah, that's what we thought. They planted some green beans and carrots last weekend. I'd also like cherry tomatoes and of course strawberries. They are going to do pumpkin and watermelon at my grandma's house. But her soil, which is what DH took for our containers, isn't organic and I'm sure it's got pesticides in it. She says it's been fertilized every year, and I know that's synthetic. And DH didn't want to spend the extra dollar for organic seeds. So this is a "this year only" type deal. Next year we'll spend the extra to get organic soil and seeds. But I've tried to get them to eat the veggies they pick at my grandma's. Erik wouldn't do it at all! Of course grandma's 100 and doesn't take good care of hers anymore so they are so dry and bland it's not even funny!
 

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gardening was really waht turned the corner for my boys. mind you they were just out there EATING our garden--but at least they were eating veggies! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><br><br>
how long since grandma's soil might have had pesticides? if it's over 2 years you should be ok.<br><br>
how about buying the burpee seeds at walmart? not necessarily organic, but good quality.<br><br>
for next year, go to <a href="http://www.rareseeds.com/" target="_blank">http://www.rareseeds.com/</a> it's a treat. :p
 

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Thanks. I think she had a bit of corn and asparagus and tomatos last year so I'm sure my uncle sprayed last year. I guess I could ask him. They'll think I'm crazy <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/duck.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Duck">:
 

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by all means, ask! maybe he was lazy and didn't. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><br><br>
still though, given the options, i'd do it.
 

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Really? So do you think the stuff available for consumers to purchase are less toxic than the stuff on the veggies in the grocery store? And of course there'll be no wax or dyes, and very fresh, so yeah you're right it's way better than standard produce, even if it's not as good as organic produce.
 

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I am definately not in your shoes but here is my .02. Maybe stop making an issue out of the veggies and just make sure you serve healthy well rounded foods throughout the day. Maybe a big part of the issue is rebellion? Fruit is full of antioxidants so I wouldn't hold that back or worry if it is replacing some of the veggies. Also have you tried having him help you make some veggie meals? What about serving vegetarian dishes a few times a week? What about nuts or trail mix for snacks? How about making some banana bread and putting kale in it (it was suggested on an earlier thread to mix kale in breads)?<br><br>
I just finished reading <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325&tag=motheringhud-20&location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FDisease-Proof-Your-Child-Feeding-Right%2Fdp%2F0312338058" target="_blank">Disease Proof Your Child</a> and the author talks about some parents who have children that will only eat certain, foods like chicken nuggets, mac & cheese, hot dogs, pizza, etc. (<i>By no means am I trying to imply this is the case in your house</i>!) The author always suggests replacing all of the old foods with only healthy suggestions, not even having any junk foods in the house. He usually gets met with resistance because parents are worried their children will starve but he says in every case the kids eventually come around after a few days and begin eating the healthier alternatives. Just food for thought (don't know if it is helpful for you though)...<br><br>
Good luck - said while crossing my fingers hoping my nonpicky boys don't get picky as they get older!!<br><br>
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One more thing I just thought of, I probably wouldn't force a child to eat anything even if it is instances of "just one bite". My father was like that, especially with my brother who was a picky eater. To this day he has MAJOR food issues with vegetables. He practically won't eat any. He has told my mom that he doesn't even want to try them (fully understanding that there are foods that some people like as an adult that they hated as children) because of my dad. But, there were a lot of other issues in our house growing up as well that probably contributed to his whole outlook on life which is another story....
 

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I think that especially when it's been a year since they may have been applied, it would be less.<br><br>
And yes, sadly, what is available to consumers IS less toxic. Have you read about the popular new commercial fertilizer called Auxigrow which contains a high percentage of free glutamate, a powerful excitotoxin (think MSG).<br><br>
I'd definitely take my risk on growing them at home, even if the soil is less than perfect.
 

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I don't know if you've tried this or not, but sometimes I take what I call the "stealth" approach. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"><br><br>
My dd will eat a lot of veggies, but some she won't. I will puree them and add them to something she likes. For example, I will chop in the the food processor some spinach and add it to the sauce when making lasagna. I will puree or chop something beyond recognition. Add a little at first, then add a little more each time.<br><br>
Puree carrots and add to banana muffins. Or try corn pudding (fresh corn will puree smoother since usually it is more tender than frozen or canned) or corn muffins. Will he drink smoothies or "milk shakes"? Add something to those. I know from experience it's a PITA to be creative all the time, but just take little steps. Hopefully he will outgrow this!<br><br>
HTH<br>
GL
 

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Well, I hate to sound like a PITA but: fruit is also high in sugar (natural, yes) and I'm trying to way limit that. The book I have says something like 5-6 veggies and 2-3 fruits. He won't eat nuts or trail mix or granola. He won't eat oatmeal no matter what I put in it either.<br><br>
I see your point about struggling, but he's gonna have to eat eventually. I plan on making the changes regardless. With his disorder he's extremely unlikely to give in and get with the program on his own. More likely he'll just fight and scream and argue and yell and go to bed hungry and screaming for an hour days, weeks, maybe months. That's just part of who he is with the ODD. Remember, he's not like normal kids. This is what the AAP defines as ODD, and it's a checklist of Erik's personality, he has each and every one of these in abundance!<br><br><span style="color:#0000FF;">In children with Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD), there is an ongoing pattern of uncooperative, defiant, and hostile behavior toward authority figures that seriously interferes with the youngster's day to day functioning. Symptoms of ODD may include:<br><br>
frequent temper tantrums<br>
excessive arguing with adults<br>
active defiance and refusal to comply with adult requests and rules<br>
deliberate attempts to annoy or upset people<br>
blaming others for his or her mistakes or misbehavior<br>
often being touchy or easily annoyed by others<br>
frequent anger and resentment<br>
mean and hateful talking when upset<br>
seeking revenge</span>
 

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Yes, it's true that most kids won't starve themselves....but sometimes kids with special needs will give it a heck of a try! I've tried just not having my son's prefered foods in the house. Yowsa, it's insane! (he's autistic)<br><br>
One thing our developmental ped suggested is V8 juice, or V8 Fusion, which is a mix of fruit and veggie juices. It's far from ideal, but it at least gets some of the nutritional aspects of veggies into uber-picky kids fairly easily. My ds is particularly fond of the strawberry banana flavored Fusion, but it comes in several blends. I can look up the sugar content on the label if you'd like. I seem to recall it being less than other juices.
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> Yeah, that's exactly what I'm thinking. I'm just not sure I can deal with it. I think I'll just feel so guilty yk? I get so angry when he's arguing and stuff "just because", but if it's because he's hungry, even if it's his choice I might just buckle!<br><br>
Purees are a good idea, I have to try that. I have V Fusion for them but was wanting to stop getting it cause it's a serving of fruit and veggie, and I only wanted the veggie. Plus I read that juice has more sugar than the fruit but w/out the fiber to slow absorption. Maybe I'm just trying to jump with both feet instead of going in one step at a time. I'm like that <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment"> It's just that, when I learn something I can't in good conscience continue doing the inadequate. I feel like it makes me a bad parent and person to know better but not do better. That's always been my baromter and if I defy my own barameter then what am I? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">:
 

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Will he eat cookies? Here are a few recipes with no sugar... sweetened exclusively with fruit:<br><br>
Cashew Cookies<br>
4 eggs<br>
1 Tablespoon unsweetened fruit juice<br>
2/3 cup flour<br>
1/4 teaspoon baking soda<br>
2 cups ground up cashew nuts<br><br>
Beat together eggs and fruit juice. Add flour, baking soda, adn ground nuts. Beat well. Drop batter by teaspoons onto oiled (or parchment lined) baking sheets. Bake at 375 degrees for 5 to 8 minutes or until just firm, but not browned. Cool on wire racks. Y=4 doz.<br><br>
Harvest Cookies<br>
1/3 cup oil<br>
1 large egg<br>
1 cup cooked squash, drained and mashed<br>
1 and 1/2 cups flour<br>
1/2 teaspoon baking powder<br>
1 teaspoon nutmeg (optional)<br>
1/2 teaspoon cinnamon<br>
1 and 1/2 cups finely chopped dates<br><br>
Beat together oil, egg, and squash. Add flour, baking powder, and spices. Beat well and stir in chopped dates. Drop batter by small teaspoonfuls onto oiled or parchment-lined baking sheets. Top each cookie with a walnut (or ground walnuts) if desired. Bake at 350 degrees for 10 minutes or until firm to the touch. Cool on wire racks. Y=3 doz.<br><br>
Or try oatmeal cookies. If he notices the oatmeal, grind it up. Or better yet, use oat flour.<br><br>
There's got to be someway to get some good stuff into him! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink">
 

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I know they are super expensive but what about a vitamix? You could make veggie juice with the fiber and even make it into popcicles!!!<br><br>
Then again a vitamix is too expensive for us unless I found one SUPER discounted on ebay or somewhere.<br><br>
Good luck, I am sure you will find something that will work with your dc!<br>
SJ
 

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I wouldn't fight the less-fruit battle just yet. I would worry about that if/when he starts truly eating veggies. In the meantime, fruits are much better than just starches or processed foods (which for some reason special-needs kids seem to crave).<br><br>
what about getting a juicer and jucing some of your own veggies to add to fruit juices? (broccoli, carrots, beets, etc blend well)
 

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Wow, thanks for the recipes! That'll be much cheaper than buying the Newmans. Not to bug you all further, but do I just get unbleached whole wheat flour?<br><br>
My mom has a juicer, she's next door! I'll learn to use it. It's a Juiceman Jr.
 

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I would. If you can, get Montana Wheat Prarie Gold and/or Bronze Chief. They are the BEST quality flours I've ever used (and grains, they're what we grind presently).
 

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Ooo, I just looked up the Vitamix on ebay. That sounds so nice! I found one model that's $280. I could save up for that I guess. But I have an Ultimate Chopper with the blender attatchment, would that be okay for now? So I could just make smoothie style drinks in there and it'll have the fiber and other stuff in it still? That sounds good. Also, the book I'm reading suggests Greens+. Apparently 3 teaspoons has 6 servings of veggies! I could put that in a smoothie.
 
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