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We are avid co-sleepers and with the twins and a new baby (okay he's 16 months, new to us, I guess) we haven't slept in over 4 years, but that's ok. cause we feel we've been meeting our children's needs and we are still functional.<br><br>
However, a friend and I were talking about all the crazy things people say when they find out that our children don't sleep through the night. They tell you how great Babywise is and how you should stop feeding them at night so they won't wake up and goodness, don't get started breastfeeding cause then they will never sleep.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="rolleyes">:<br><br>
I was wondering if anyone has any good responses for these type of conversations that might make people stop and think. I know the benefits of co-sleeping and can usually describe them, but when I start "soapboxing", as my dh calls it, I've noticed that eyes start to glaze over and all they hear is "blah, blah, blah".<br><br>
Perhaps a line or two would carry more weight?<br><br>
Is this just a hopeless cause?<br><br>
Thanks!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin">
 

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How about "The Ezzo method is child abuse as far as I'm concerned. I would never starve my children."<br><br>
I've used that one before.
 

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I tell people that humanity wouldn't have survived if people didn't (co-sleep, bf, etc.) I don't believe that hundreds of thousands of years of evolution failed us.
 

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My dd was a bottle baby so when she got her first tooth at 4 mos. old I nightweaned her for fear of getting tooth decay. And know what? At almost 3 years old she still doesn't consistently sleep through the night!! So there's not much basis to the Ezzo stuff if the goal is to nightwean to get them to sleep through the night. There were periods during growth spurts where I did let her have bottles at night, followed by sips of water. It's hard to sleep when you're hungry.<br><br>
Now she's in her own room in her own bed but still needs us to come in a couple times a night and reassure her that we are still here, the same way she used to reach out and touch us at night. She's taken to her bed very well, never had any major bedtime battles becuase sleep is a positive thing for her. I wonder how the Ezzo kids see bedtime when they get to be 2-3-4 years old?<br><br>
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I can't think of a real "zinger" for these people but my question for them is why is sleeping through the night such a big deal? Considering the very very short short time that our children are babies and toddlers, does it really matter? I consider my nighttime feedings and co-sleeping with my son to be the most precious part of my relationship with him. When he is older and more independent, I will always treasure these memories of the two of us cuddling in our bed. What memories do these Babywise people have???<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/confused.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Confused">:
 

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No memories. Just bragging rights to other Ezzo parents of how fast they trained their baby to sleep through the night. Sounds like it's some sort of cult where how soon you can accomplish this is a reflection of how great a parent you are. Or so I'm assuming. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin">
 

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When people ak me if my children sleep through th night I usually reply with "Do you?" and then they usually get that I am not interested in thier soap box thrash of my parenting choices. I believe that I heard some where that Baby Wised children were prone to failure to thrive? Is this true does anyone know?
 

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It is definately true and documented publicly too. All you have to do is type up a search on it and you'll get ALL KINDS of info(official stuff) on Ezzo and FTT...As a matter of fact where I live Social Services keeps a close eye on Babywise and GKGW followers for that reason and much more.<br><br>
As far as a response to "ezzoites" and the sleep issue...I don't have a witty or power packed single comment but I can say that my experience has been the best thing to do is to let your "fruit" be seen<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink">.I have almost daily experience with some hard core ezzo followers and it is tough.I believe there is a large degree of brainwashing involved so usually one or two lines won't do the trick anyway.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin">
 

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Try this link for Ezzo info:<br><br><a href="http://www.ezzo.info/index.htm" target="_blank">http://www.ezzo.info/index.htm</a><br><br>
Edited because I always have a hard time making my links work. Grrr.
 

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I have a friend that had a baby in April. A woman at her church gave her Babywise and said she just had to read it because it worked for all her kids blah blah blah ( I don't know this lady well enough to even comment on her parenting skills or her children). All I know is she bf them and read this book. So she gives the book to my friend (who is a nurse - you would think she would have a clue about her mammary glands - she doesn't). I tried to warn her of the evils of the Ezzo's - in particular scheduling a breast baby. Well guess what she didn't listen to me and ended up going to bottle at 2 weeks - she was supplementing before that <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="rolleyes">:<br><br>
Anyway I am gonna pass this on to her. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment">
 

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When people say critisms to me about my parenting style I say in a very very subtly sarcastic way is there anything else I am doing wrong? It usually stops them dead in their tracks.
 

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Goodcents,sounds like you have some GoodSense!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up"><br><br><br>
A little<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/oops.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="oops">T<br><br>
I have a friend who is writing a book about the "evils" of the babywise type parenting styles.The book isn't meant to slam or demean any particular authors of parenting curriculum as no particular folks will be named.It's just meant to be a resource for people to weigh their options and see the truths of all sides.She wants to reallt dig deep and hit home with the "hot potatoes" people are usually afraid to touch.She is also a Mothering mama too!!!<br><br>
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She is also going to uncover the scripture twisting that is used in certain Christian "child training" books, and give proper interpretations and references.It's gonna be a great resource for any parent and an awesome way to help Babywiser types to see the full picture....bla bla bla I'm getting off my soapbox now<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin">
 

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Kristie that's great!<br><br>
I agree Ezzo needs a hug. And them someone needs to do the Ezzo experiment on him and see how he likes it. <a href="http://www.compleatmother.com/experiment.htm" target="_blank">http://www.compleatmother.com/experiment.htm</a><br><br>
My response it is that I sure wouldn't take parenting advice from a man who has been excommunicated from his own church, and has had his "advice" have a warning issued from the Academy of Pediatrics. I totally understand the sleep thing, but there are much more gentle ways.<br><br>
It amazes me how many mama's swallow and follow rather than trust their own instincts and don't DO RESEARCH! <a href="http://pages.ivillage.com/gentlegoodnight/ezzo.html" target="_blank">http://pages.ivillage.com/gentlegoodnight/ezzo.html</a><br><br>
Heck, I think if you even do a search for babywise almost everything that comes up is negative toward it.
 

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Just like with the infernally stupid "good baby" question, your face can say it all. When I am asked about ds sleeping through the night, I make a face that says "that's a really stupid question" without having to say it.<br><br>
Most of the comments I get on ds are 1) How cute he is (gloat gloat); 2) How sweet he is; and 3) How well he talks. Weighed against sleeping all night long, well...I'd rather know he's well adjusted.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin">
 

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UmmNuh, I'm so sick of people asking whether Mieke is a 'good baby' Grrrrrrr <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry"><br><br>
She cries lots and had a really cranky, unhappy start to life so I always say "Yes she's really good. She's assertive, she communicates her needs brilliantly. She's no doormat, my baby" <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin"><br><br>
Anyway, back to the question. You could say "Oh sorry, did I say it was an issue? Cos it's not." or, "Actually I really like it when he wakes because I miss him so much when he sleeps".
 

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4 moms meet together once a week. 3 of our babe's are thriving, one is rather smaller than normal. Guess whose mom read Babywise and has her daughter on a three-hour feeding schedule?!
 

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the thing is, I think people are vulnerable to advice in the early days b/c they ARE tired, hungry and desperate to get their baby to stop crying. I know that I was so out of it b/c in the first two weeks or so I was up every two hours (and I REALLY need sleep), that when my MIL gave me bad advice about scheduling feedings, I listened. I screwed up my milk supply and my baby started actually losing weight. things are better now b/c I stopped listening to her, but it could have been fatal to my milk supply. my point is this: when a new mommy is tired, frustrated and desperate, she will get to a point where she will try anything, and I think that is where people end uptrying babywise or ezzo.<br><br>
me? I don't do babywise or AP or any one philosophy...I do shecky parenting. some things seem AP, like feeding when he is hungry, and not letting him cry. but we don't co-sleep. since about four or five weeks, babe has slept 'through the night', and I only woke him up once the milk supply/weight gain issue came up. I didn't force any sleeping schedule on him, and he is happy in his crib, so I just followed his cues on that, but when anyone (CIO-ers or co-sleepers) criticsize my choices, I tell them that I don't need to force my baby to fit into other people's ideas or philosophies of what he should or shouldn't do. absolutely everyone tells me how he is one the most happy and smiley babies they have ever seen. I think we have found what works for him, and that is proof enough for people who tell me that CIO is what I need to do.<br><br>
although....I do have questions on naps. can anyone give good advice on napping? I have, up to now, been following his lead- rocking him to sleep when he seems tired, but lately, I feel like he is not getting enough napping sleep during the day.<br><br><br>
edited to add: when people ask about him being a 'good baby', I always say..."ALL babies are good babies".
 

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nope, there are some subjects that just aren't open for debate as far as I'm concerned. I refuse to listen or respond to such comments, and will simply walk out of the room when certain people start in with what I think is bad or outright harmful parenting advice.
 

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If bw is a good thing than why does Ezzo have such a poor relationship with his own kids?<br><br><a href="http://www.awareparent.net" target="_blank">www.awareparent.net</a><br><br>
A great debate forum on Ezzo. I have to say how grateful i am that the only time I have ever heard of Ezzo is on the interenet <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> Hopefully no one practises his parenting with my kids peers.
 
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