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Ok, this is the second time I have been witness to someone spreading false information around and I cannot take it anymore!! I know the benefits of breastfeeding, I breastfed my dd til last Aug. when she was 3 years and 4 months old, and I am bf my ds now. I can prove the case pretty well, but I am just not that good at EXACT facts with people that want to debate formula and statistics. I just don't have the statistics in my head, and these types of people need to have it shoved in their faces in print anyways. They don't care what I personally have to say.<br><br>
This is the SECOND time dh has come to me telling me that *so and so* says formula is the same as breastmilk, and she says she has done the research and read the studies. WHY ARE THESE PEOPLE LYING???????????????<br>
One of these women works as a NURSE for a major health insurance company! Imagine how many women she lies to on a regular basis. There cannot possibly be studies out there that say that bf is the SAME as formula, and that it has no benefits for preventing illness, can there <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/confused.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Confused">:<br><br>
So today, dh calls me after getting his hair cut. He tells me his hair dresser(the guy is his friend too) works with a girl at another place that says bf is all a bunch of hype and that there is no difference - she's read it all and can prove it! This guys wife wants to bf, but if her dh goes home believing all of this, it could make the difference if she has some obstacles(which we all know happens) THen they would figure * oh well, formula is just as good, lets just give up*<br><br>
Ok, rambling here.........too angry to summarize I guess. Anyways, this guy believes my dh(who is quite the advocate <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love"> , but would LOVE to see the studies, bring them to his wife, and bring them to this ignorant(STUPID) woman who is spreading lies.<br><br>
I want it all. I want the best most clear studies. Can you point me to them? See, I never needed to go searching for studies and such. I don't need proof to know what I know about breastfeeding, just by using the common sense God gave me...............<br>
Oh, this woman also bragged about this new breastmilk with some new ingredient in it that makes it JUST like bf.<br>
Question: if they are trying to make something JUST LIKE BREASTMILK, then why are they so AGAINST breastmilk? Don't these women SEE the insanity of that?<br>
Sorry so long. Please help me stop another wave of lies!!!<br>
Thanx in advance!<br>
~Jenn
 

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Challenge them to produce the studies.<br><br><a href="http://www.promom.org" target="_blank">www.promom.org</a><br><br><a href="http://www.prairienet.org/community/health/laleche/dettwyler.html" target="_blank">http://www.prairienet.org/community/...dettwyler.html</a><br><br><a href="http://www.moms4milk.org" target="_blank">http://www.moms4milk.org</a><br><br><a href="http://www.breastfeeding.com" target="_blank">www.breastfeeding.com</a><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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Yeah, we're feeding our babies fungus and yeast!<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">Question: if they are trying to make something JUST LIKE BREASTMILK, then why are they so AGAINST breastmilk?</td>
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It's called trying to justify one's own poor decision by denigrating the healthier alternative. It's called defensiveness, or guilt. It's a matter of if they can get more to follow their line of thought they won't feel so bad for having made the choice they made, after all So many others have made that same choice!<br><br>
It's rather sad when you think about it, they must lie to themselves and others in order to feel good about themselves.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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those are great links.<br><br>
the simple fact is, breastmilk is a living substance and has wonderful and amazing immunological properties. remind your dh next time he runs into one of these people who say "oh formula is just as good" to clue them into how a specific mom's breastmilk is produced specifically for her baby and has the antibodies to any germ the mom has come in contact with in it, so for example, if mom and baby are out grocery shopping and the cashier sneezes at them, mom's breasts in a remarkably short amount of time begin producing breastmilk with the antibody for the cashier's sneeze germs in it. no matter _what_ they put in formula they'll never be able to reproduce that kind of amazing miracle.<br><br>
not to mention the emotional and nurturing connection of nursing. it's so much more than just nutrition.<br><br>
hth<br><br>
p.s. the "new ingredient" in formula is probably DHA which is a good thing for babies (adoptive or whatever) who have to have formula, but it's only one thing and there's so much more in the real thing!
 

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Try<br><a href="http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/mar2002/nichd-20.htm" target="_blank">http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/mar2002/nichd-20.htm</a><br><br>
And there may be some good stuff at <a href="http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/breastfeeding.html" target="_blank">http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/breastfeeding.html</a><br><br>
Just for starts. I'll do a Medline search for you tomorrow.<br><br>
Your friendly lurking medical libraraian<br>
BF, w/ a SAHD!
 

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Just a note about DHA. I don't remember where I read it, but I'm sure it was here on these boards. That additive in formula to make "smarter" babies has been linked to health problems. Check the breastfeeding boards, sorry I can't help anymore than that. Maybe someone else can?<br><br>
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Found it: <a href="http://mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=76172&highlight=formula+baby+health+moms" target="_blank">http://mothering.com/discussions/sho...by+health+moms</a>
 

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oh, you should go check out <a href="http://www.kellymom.com" target="_blank">www.kellymom.com</a>, too, if you haven't already. she usually references lots of studies in her stuff.<br><br>
hth<br><br><span style="font-size:xx-small;"><i>edited to add:</i></span> here you go. this is exactly what you need -- <a href="http://www.kellymom.com/bf/start/bf-benefits.html" target="_blank">http://www.kellymom.com/bf/start/bf-benefits.html</a> .
 

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I've had people tell me stuff like that, too. And then they'll tell me about some breastfed baby who had ear infections all the time and a formula fed baby who's never been sick. Like 2 kids are enough for any kind of statistics.<br><br>
The thing is, you're not going to be able to convince those people because they don't want to believe the truth.<br><br>
I think that the best way to convince a lot of people (especially men, who tend to be a bit less emotional about it) is to address the practical issues.<br><br>
You never have to get up in the middle of the night to warm a breast. Just latch the baby on.<br><br>
Breastmilk is essentially free (except for the extra calories mom needs). Even if breastmilk didn't improve IQ, if you invested the $2500 you'd spend on formula for a year, plus the cost of bottles, bottle brushes, insulated bags for keeping formula warm, etc. in even just a savings account, it would be enough for a few years of college by the time the child needed it.<br><br>
Breastfeeding is extremely portable. You don't have to plan ahead.<br><br>
Breastfeeding is easier on the parents because you never have to listen to the baby cry and not be able to offer food. You can't feed more than a certain amount of formula in a day. You can breastfeed whenever baby needs it.<br><br>
I could go on and on, but you get the idea. I choose my points according to the temperment of the person I'm talking to.<br><br>
BTW, I said that this type of reasoning works well with men, but it's also great for moms who have formula fed in the past. Many times those moms don't want to hear about breastmilk's nutritional superiority because then they'll feel like they deprived their children of something good. But if you present it like, "Well, things could be much easier with your next child," sometimes they'll go along with that.
 

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Now that you've got the links for the facts/research, here is how to present them:<br><br><a href="http://www.lalecheleague.org/FAQ/criticism.html" target="_blank">http://www.lalecheleague.org/FAQ/criticism.html</a>
 

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Try this one: <a href="http://www.aap.org/policy/re9729.html" target="_blank">www.aap.org/policy/re9729.html</a> . It's the AAP Policy Statement on breastfeeding. People like that often respond well to "the doctors say this...". Also, at the bottom of the policy is a listing of 111 studies referenced. Now that ought to get them!<br><br>
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Oh thank you SO SO much ladies. I just printed out enough studies and facts to make my head spin. I learned alot more too. I stapled articles together and highlighted specific areas that I didn't want them to miss. I feel like I am going to court! LOL.<br><br>
I wish you all lived next door to me and could come over for tea tomorrow<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/luxlove.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="throb"> :bf <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/grouphug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="grouphug"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/kiss.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="kiss"><br><br>
Thanx again, I wouldn't have come up with all of that on my own.<br><br>
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Even if they were exactly the same, human milk is free and formula is $$$$. More people are motivated by money than health.<br>
G-d makes human milk. People make formula. How could formula be equal?<br><br>
A friend of mine once told me that her daughter's ped told her that nursing after one year didn't impart any nutrition to the baby. I told her that if cow milk gives nutrition to the (human) baby, that human milk is even better. She said she had never thought of it like that. She also said that this same ped nursed her daughter for 2.5 years. Funny.
 

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Please, please, please read the link below which discusses health risks of these new fatty acid blends. They are bad news.<br><br><br><a href="http://mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?threadid=76172" target="_blank">http://mothering.com/discussions/sho...threadid=76172</a>
 

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One quick fact that I've learned recently is that human milk has 300 components (that have been discovered so far) and formula has about 40.
 

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Dr. Jay Gordon is a pediatrician in Santa Monica (Los Angeles) and he regularly sees celebrity moms. He is active in LLL and is a regular at the local LLL Area Conference.<br><br>
Every year, he presents an INCREDIBLE list of the current BFing research at the local LLL Area Conference. It's on his website.<br><br><a href="http://www.drjaygordon.com/bf/index.htm" target="_blank">Dr. Jay Gordon's Breastfeeding Index</a> Click on <b>The Science of Breastfeeding</b> to read a quick synopsis of the studies and amazing qualities of breastmilk.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<a href="http://www.bflrc.com" target="_blank">www.bflrc.com</a><br><br><br>
look at the "fact packs"
 

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ITA with AmyG,<br>
when people start in on me about BF too much of a hassle and formula is juts as good(blah, blah). I reply with the things AmyG mentioned and it usually shuts them up.<br>
I will not throw away $2000 on something that's free.<br>
I am too tired to get up so often at night.<br>
Too lazy too add extra dishes to the housework.<br>
Get my routine. But this is just for the casual conversation. The statistics are great when you got someone who's hardcore FF.
 

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See, now I am all worked up about that stupid article in Real Simple<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/demon.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="demon"> . This is where formula women get their facts...cause a <b>REAL</b> doctor said so...<i>right</i> ? As long as articles like this continue to be printed, people will believe them...I HAVE to use formula cause I am not producing enough to sustain him completely...**dramatic sigh** I WILL ONE DAY THOUGH. I know that breastmilk is WAY superior to formula (now that I am no longer listening to my mother and doing MY own research!). These links are wonderful and I am going to add them to my own stuff too so that when I am attacked (verbally) (isn't that awful, being attacked for trying to provide the very best for my son?) I can do some attacking of my own <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin">
 
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