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Especially here at MDC. I checked in Vaccinations...no threads, I checked in Activism...1 thread that no one has responded to....nothing in N/CE.<br><br>
Forced vaccinations, y'all. Forced. Because of the bird flu. Here's the thread from Activism:<br><a href="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=358661" target="_blank">http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=358661</a><br><br>
I found a huge thread on another political discussion board and was, quite frankly, shocked to see that I hadn't heard about it here first.<br><br>
I don't want anyone forcing me to be vaccinated, and as a healthcare worker, I probably would be. I don't want my baby force vaccinated. The list of the politicians from both sides of the aisle who are supporting this and their contact info can be found on that other board, if you want the link pm me (I don't think I can post it here?? doesn't it violate the TOS?) and I'll provide it. I will be contacting my representatives. Please contact yours.
 

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I would be pi$$ed if I was forced to vaccinate and chose not to... How important is your job? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I would be pi$$ed if I was forced to vaccinate and chose not to... How important is your job? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:</div>
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Pretty important, I'm an RN. Their were mandatory healthcare worker smallpox vaccinations in my state/county about 2 years ago, fortunately, I was pregnant so I was exempt. But it has happened before and it can happen again. Here's the thread:<br><br><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5145215" target="_blank">http://www.democraticunderground.com...ss=104x5145215</a>
 

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That is disgusting. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/disappointed.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="disappointed"> Right there that shows they know they arent safe!<br><br>
I would NEVER get a forced vaccination....neither will my child. They will have to catch us and tie us down first and not get hurt in the process.
 

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OMG! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry">
 

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That is exactly why I object to it, Desiree. Well, one of the reasons anyway. It gives the drug companies carte blanche.
 

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Ok, devils' advocate for the sake of discussion:<br><br>
My mother and sister both work in two of our local big hospitals. I quite honestly would prefer they <i>do</i> get vaccinated before spending time with my children.<br><br>
Let me first say I don't know if the vaccines will even be worth it, or work, or whatnot. I am not debating on that. Let's just assume for the sake of argument that they <i>will</i>. I personally <b>do</b> vax my girls, however it is very delayed (so sick and tired of the looks the receptionist gives me and the attitudes the doc seems to mock me about it) and selected after years of my own research of all sides....coming to a comfortable, if still scary at times, decision. That said, NO ONE will force me or my kids to do anything. They'd have to killme to do it.<br><br>
But having family who work near illness daily, and having been through similar issues when something at work occurs and my sister and mom get ill or bring stuff home, I'd want my girls protected.<br><br><br>
Just my opinion. It's all very scary to me but at the same time I am not freaking out over it. A holistic group I am on had someone give some awesome tips to get healthier to avoid the flu should it come here so...........I'm not too worried. We don't do flu shots, rather we use the homeopathic equivalents and have yet to be sick through flu season.
 

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Why though? If your children are vaccinated (which would mean one thinks they work if they choose to get them), what does it matter if someone else chooses not to? I think it's ridiculous that healthcare workers are expected to ruin their own health being injected with toxins in order to do their job. It makes no sense to me. NO ONE should be forced to have vaccines.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">A holistic group I am on had someone give some awesome tips to get healthier to avoid the flu should it come here so...........I'm not too worried. We don't do flu shots, rather we use the homeopathic equivalents and have yet to be sick through flu season.</div>
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Would you mind sharing the tips you were given? This is something that I have been wanting to find out but haven't had a chance yet.
 

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I am in much of the same situation. So far they are still voluntary but it is REALLY frowned upon if we don't have the flu shot. I say FROWN away as I am not having it.
 

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Where does it say in the bill that vaccines are to be made mandatory?<br><br>
The bill is linked to here:<br><br><a href="http://www.nvic.org/ActionAlerts/S1873.htm" target="_blank">http://www.nvic.org/ActionAlerts/S1873.htm</a>
 

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But aren't healthcare workers typically working with those who are sick and therefore have weakened immune systems that would make them more susceptible to contracting diseases/virus'/etc.? In that light, I can understand why healthcare workers would need to be vaccinated in order to help protect their patients.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Where does it say in the bill that vaccines are to be made mandatory?<br><br>
The bill is linked to here:<br><br><a href="http://www.nvic.org/ActionAlerts/S1873.htm" target="_blank">http://www.nvic.org/ActionAlerts/S1873.htm</a></div>
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Well, I slogged through all 88 pages of it :yawning: , and you're correct, there is nothing in this bill about forcing vaccines, only about no liability to the drug companies for injury or death.<br><br>
I did, however, find this:<br><br><a href="http://www.nvic.org/ActionAlerts/what_you_need_to_know.htm" target="_blank">http://www.nvic.org/ActionAlerts/wha...ed_to_know.htm</a><br><br>
And I think that's what people are upset about, that in the case of a pandemic like bird flu, such a law already exists and is on the books and can be enacted.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">But aren't healthcare workers typically working with those who are sick and therefore have weakened immune systems that would make them more susceptible to contracting diseases/virus'/etc.? In that light, I can understand why healthcare workers would need to be vaccinated in order to help protect their patients.</div>
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I don't really see how coming in contact with sick people would give someone a weakened immune system.
 

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i think she meant that the people they would be in contact with would have the weakened immune systems. (i had to look twice too.)<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">But aren't healthcare workers typically working with those who are sick and therefore have weakened immune systems that would make them more susceptible to contracting diseases/virus'/etc.? In that light, I can understand why healthcare workers would need to be vaccinated in order to help protect their patients.</div>
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Exactly...I would think it would be to protect the patients who have the weakened immune systems.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">i think she meant that the people they would be in contact with would have the weakened immune systems. (i had to look twice too.)<br><br>
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Oops. That makes sense. Sorry for misunderstanding.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">But aren't healthcare workers typically working with those who are sick and therefore have weakened immune systems that would make them more susceptible to contracting diseases/virus'/etc.? In that light, I can understand why healthcare workers would need to be vaccinated in order to help protect their patients.</div>
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I would think that health care workers would have a stronger immune system because of that reason. They are on a daily basis being bombarded with sickness that their bodies learn to fight off. Fighting off illness is what makes you immune to it. Which, is actually what vaccines are supposed to do. Make you sick so your body has to fight the illness to develope antibodies to it.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">i think she meant that the people they would be in contact with would have the weakened immune systems. (i had to look twice too.)<br><br>
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oops, maybe I should have read the whole thread before posting then. I thought she was talking about the workers.
 
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