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I'm having issues nursing ds. He's gaining slowly. He only lost 5 ounces in his first couple days, but he only just hit his birth weight again at two weeks, one day.<br><br>
He doesn't open his mouth wide enough to latch properly. He opens it wide enough that it doesn't cause me a lot of pain, but that's as far as he'll go. The midwife told me to do breast compressions after he had only gained an ounce from day 5-9, so I've been doing that, and pulling his bottom lip down.<br><br>
He only nurses for at most 10 minutes per breast. And that's with me stopping halfway through to change his diaper or annoy him enough to wake him up again after he starts to drift off. I can tell he's swallowing, but ten minutes seems like an awfully short time to feed. The only time he feeds really well is first thing in the morning (which is also the only time my breasts feel full, after that first feeding it feels like I have nothing). Generally he'll eat every hour, but sometimes he'll sleep for even three hours before waking to eat, and trying to wake him up is useless..I haven't found a thing that wakes him up and keeps him awake for more than 5-10 minutes at a time if he was in the middle of a nap.<br><br>
He's wetting enough diapers, his stools seem quite small to me, the right colour and everything, but small. I recall having massive blowouts with dd at his age, and this hasn't happened at all with him.<br><br>
I nursed dd without a problem. My milk came in fine, everything was good, although she had the same problem latching he did. This time I feel like I have a lot less milk, and I just feel like something isn't right. The midwife said his weight gain is on the low end, but she's okay with it. I don't feel okay though. He is very alert when he is awake, and sometimes when he's been nursing and I try to nurse him again soon after (I try as much as possible when he is awake!) he gives me this amused look and won't open his mouth.<br><br>
I'm taking fenugreek, blessed thistle and eating a ton of oatmeal for my supply.<br><br>
I really think when we go back in two weeks his weight gain won't be enough, and it scares me that we're going two weeks between visits now, because it seems like a long time to go before knowing there's a problem.<br><br>
I'm not entirely sure what I'm looking for. Maybe some BTDT stories? Advice about getting him to open his mouth wider? I'm at a loss, and I feel like something is off and it's worrying me.<br><br>
Thanks to anyone who made it this far..I tend to ramble <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 

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Although I only nursed my 2nd son for less than 6 weeks or so, I do remember he had similar latch problems - he wouldn't open wide, I had to pull his chin down and my lc had me doing compressions, but that's b/c I had a reduction, so it served several purposes. She had me nurse him while he was totally naked, and not covered by anything at all, so he'd be more apt to stay awake. I remember that once we ended up switching to bottles/formula at 6 weeks, I had to hold his chin in a certain type of grip, or he would just sort of lose steam, not swallow and forget to keep sucking. I have no idea how to describe how I held his chin, but it worked....I'll see if I can find reference to it somewhere.
 

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My ds2 would not open his mouth and was clamping really hard, not gaining weight etc. The only thing that really made a difference was getting him Cranial Sacral Treatments. He would nurse substantially better immediately after each treatment. He starting gaining right away after the first treatment. He was 13 days and hadn't gained back his birthweight. He started packing on the weight within days. You can look here for a practitioner near you. <a href="http://www.upledger.com" target="_blank">http://www.upledger.com</a> I hope you find an answer that works for you. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"><br>
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My dd (5 weeks old) only nurses from 1 breast at a time, max 10 minutes per feeding (when I was nursing my son, it was the same story!!). She's been doing that since the beginning. She's gaining fine and she's alert when awake. I too find my breasts are not as full as when I was nursing ds, but I know there's plenty of milk in there, I can tell when she's full and has milk dripping on the side of her mouth.<br><br>
I think you should trust your body to do what it's meant to do. If your m/w wasn't concerned, I think your ds is fine (a hungry baby would not be content when awake). Just nurse as often as possible, and try to enjoy your baby!!
 

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How is his color normally? Is he pale? Is he tired a lot more than most babies? Just really sleepy? Has anyone ever listened really well to his heart?
 

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He's perfectly healthy as far as anyone can tell. Great colour, not tired more than other babies his age. He had a heart murmur but it resolved itself and was gone at his two week appointment (on Friday).
 

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I can't really speak to latch issues, but I can speak to the failure to thrive. My son is now 95th percentile for weight and height, but his first few weeks were a little dicey in terms of gaining back the weight he lost after birth. They told us that if he didn't start gaining weight faster, they were going to put him in the NICU with failure to thrive. I felt like a terrible Mom, and I was so thrilled the next visit when he peed up the wall while being weighed. Wanna see his hydration status? It's GREAT!<br><br>
I know that this is a common problem in bigger babies, and it seems to not be uncommon in breastfed babies, regardless of latch quality.<br><br>
I think that someone's using a formula-fed weight chart on these breastfed babies, and since there's a delay while the milk comes in, they're just not matching up. I would like to see more focus on diaper count and how the baby looks - skin turgidity, wetness of the mouth and eyes, fontanelle level, activity level. Does the baby look dehydrated? Do they look malnourished? Do they look overly tired? The scale is just one measure, and we seem to be beaten to death with it. I'd love to see something published by an LC on this subject.
 

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I bet your body just didn't need to get as engorged this time around. I have heard that from other mommys as I've not had a second one yet. I think everything sounds fine. My dd NEVER EVER nursed over 10 min. Either. After about 2 weeks she would ONLY nurse from ONE side and would fall asleep after about 5 min. They CAN get all they need in that first five min. I would STOP stressing as that just makes things worse. Our bodies CAN do it and WILL do it we just have to TRUST them. Make sure you're getting plenty of rest, water, and food and STOP worrying. He's FINE. Watch the baby not the CLOCK or the SCALE!!! What if they didn't have those stupid Ff charts would you still be worried? does he act fine. It sounds like he does so STOP worrying. Good luck. Hang in there!! Things will get better. WTG for you!
 
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