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I don't understand why he doesn't understand

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My DH and I get into these very strange arguments, which leave both of us feeling isolated and hurt. I feel like there are some basic things about relationships that he just doesn't get, and I try to be gentle about describing what I need, but he just doesn't seem to understand. Or maybe I am expecting too much? Maybe the problem is me? I think if I were better at figuring out how to talk to him we could resolve things better.

Here's a fairly typical conversation we had today. DH has recently started a job (about 2 months ago) after over a year and a half of looking for work. I have a job that I can, luckily, usually take DD (15 months) with me to. However, occasionally there are meetings that I can't take her to. She is mainly EBF, even at 15 months, and has never been away from me for longer than 2 hours. She is out of sorts when I am gone and generally cries until I get back. The only person she has ever been with is DH when I have had to go to a meeting.

There is a meeting that is 2 hours away driving time, then 3 hours at the meeting, then 2 hours back. I can't take her to this meeting. Its possible I might be able to get someone to go in my place, but I was exploring all the options first. I absolutely detest the idea of being away from my DD for so long. I know it will be horrible for her and I will be a nervous wreck. But if I have to be away from her then my first choice would be for her to be with DH. So our conversation this morning went something like this:

Me: "On Apr 3 I have to go to Seattle for the stupid meeting. Its mandatory. Do you think there is any way you could get that day off to be with Beantoes?"

DH: "Don't go to the stupid meeting. Get someone else to go."

Me: "Its my job, and I'm trying to think of how to do this."

DH: "I don't think I can take a day off. It would be inappropriate for me to ask. I am still on probation for another month."

Me: "What if you asked another employee if they could switch a Saturday with you?" (Since most employees would be happy to have a Saturday off)

DH: "Why are you dragging me into this? Why are you asking me first? You should ask E. or I. first."

Me: "Well, I really think its not fair to ask others to cover for me because I have a child. Child care is my responsibility. I would expect E. to attend the meetings she needs to attend even though she has to find child care, too. Why should it be different for me?"

DH: "*The Meeting* is a bunch of %&^$#. Just tell them you can't go."

Me (getting kind of agitated): "I really want to do my job. I'm lucky to have this job which allows me to bring Beantoes. I think I should attend this once a year meeting because its really my responsibility and I don't think its fair to dump it on E. or I."

DH (getting agitated): "Well I don't think its fair that you are making me talk about this stupid meeting on Sunday, my day off. I can't take a day off to watch Beantoes. I don't think its right that you are asking me this."

Me: "Okay, it sounds like you can't take a day off. That's okay. I just wanted to see if it was a possibility."

DH: "I don't think its right that this stupid meeting has caused us to be upset on Sunday! Talking about this is not what I planned to do with my day off."

Me: "I was just looking for support to figure out how to attend this meeting. I felt angry and unsupported when you said, 'don't drag me into this.' I was hoping we could work this out together, as a unit, not be working against each other. Remember when you had to do the CPR class and needed the car? I rearranged my work schedule so that I didn't need to go in that day, and figured out how to make it work so you could go to the CPR class. I was hoping we could talk about this meeting in the same way. Trying to figure it out together."

DH: "I don't understand why you don't understand that you can just not go to the meeting!"

Me: "I want to do a good job and do what's right and I was hoping you would help me and instead you're accusing me of ruining your day off and putting distance between us, and telling me that my concerns about this meeting aren't valid. And the meeting is mandatory; they say they won't renew our contract if someone doesn't go."

DH: "Okay, so you don't feel validated."

Me: "Or supported."

DH: "I would take a day off if Beantoes was sick or there was an emergency - but not so you can attend that stupid meeting."

Me: "okay, okay, I understand that its not going to work to have you take the day off. I would like to feel supported though in figuring this out."

DH: "Grrrrr just send someone else."

Me: "okay, okay."

I basically stop talking because he's just getting more agitated and think "I guess I'm going to have to figure this out myself; I'll be sure not to bring up stuff like this again since he probably can't help anyway."

Then there is this silence between us for the rest of the day. And sadness. I walk around on eggshells cause I know he is still upset and anything I say will just make it worse. I hate this. I come into the room and he leaves. We just don't seem to be able to talk about things. And this is just such a minor thing, really. I don't know how it got so blown up.

Any advice? I can take criticisms; maybe I was too sensitive?
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Honestly, I don't think your dh should have to take a day off to cover childcare for you to do your job. I think you should get a part-time sitter for that. (Especially since your dh just started this job.)
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Honestly, I don't think your dh should have to take a day off to cover childcare for you to do your job. I think you should get a part-time sitter for that. (Especially since your dh just started this job.)
While I agree with this to some extent the first time my dh said the word "stupid " with regard to something important to me I would be livid. This would really set me off...my work is not stupid, nothing related to me is stupid and the use of that word in this context is disrespectful..in fact the tone your dh uses through out the entire conversation is disrespectful

Child care solutions should be both your decision, together...he should want to be the obvious choice in this case, not resent it..he's the child's father.

Can you take the baby and take a sitter, rent a room for the day near the meeting so baby can be taken care of while you do business...a bit of expense.

I agree that if he's on probation it might be uncomfortable to ask for the day off...he could have said "oh..I don't know if I feel comfortable asking for a day off while still on probation, let's see...what else can we do? Can someone else go for you? if not, then can we get so and so to baby sit" and you could have discussed it. I think it was his attitude that ruined his Sunday, not your bringing up a family dilemma. As part of a partnership he should be part of the decision making regarding childcare and you would think he would want to be.

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Is there anyone who could go with you and take your dd somewhere else during the meeting, and meet up with you for the trip back? That could take the edge off of the seperation for her...
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While I agree with this to some extent the first time my dh said the word "stupid " with regard to something important to me I would be livid. This would really set me off...my work is not stupid, nothing related to me is stupid and the use of that word in this context is disrespectful..in fact the tone your dh uses through out the entire conversation is disrespectful
agreed
Thanks for your responses. It isn't really about figuring out how to do the meeting - I could bring a friend along and she could watch Beantoes during the meeting part, or I could send someone else - the whole conversation was meant to be an example of how we miscommunicate or get into big things over little things.

Does anyone have any advice or insight into ways I could talk to him that would make conversations like this one easier, and both of us feel supported? I'm beginning to think he might have a touch of Asperger's. He is really befuddled by what I think are normal relationship conversations and misses many social cues; something is just "off;" its hard to explain. He feels so offended when I ask him something that I had no idea would have offended him.
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I agree that if he's on probation it might be uncomfortable to ask for the day off...he could have said "oh..I don't know if I feel comfortable asking for a day off while still on probation, let's see...what else can we do? Can someone else go for you? if not, then can we get so and so to baby sit" and you could have discussed it. I think it was his attitude that ruined his Sunday, not your bringing up a family dilemma. As part of a partnership he should be part of the decision making regarding childcare and you would think he would want to be.


NOW I feel validated
Thank you. I really appreciate your words.
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I really don't think you are overreacting. It seems like you were way more patient than most people would have been. Childcare is obviously a two parent decision when they are that young. It is a big deal to leave our babes. It seems like he totally missed that part of it and disregarded your feelings entirely. have you ever tried to sit down and ask him what he expects of communication between you two?
Sometimes when dh and I talk I am floored by what he thinks passes for a converstion.

I can see that your dh is stressed about his job (right?) and maybe just thought it was insensative for you to ask that of him. The way he dealt with it, though, was way off.

Good luck. Is there anyway you could go to a relationship class for communication. I know they exist in some places. Or else just a good counselor that could help you to understand each others point of view.

Louise
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If he is anything like mine, he lacks all common sense and communication skills. My dh just doesn't get stuff that it seems most people would. Like when he's playing too rough, he doesn't understand that he's too rough and it hurts. Or like when I want to talk with him, he thinks I'm nagging or yelling AT him. He says and does things that seem totally illogical to me. He just thinks totally different! It's not that he's a bad guy, or anything... and he's actually very smart and good at his job, its just that he lacks common sense, etc.
I agree with everything that allgirls said and just wanted to add that I find the comment totally wierd that he was upset about having this upsetting conversation on his day off. ??? You need to schedule these things according to him? I find that rather baffling.
He was being a jerk and you didn't do anything wrong. It sounds like he has other stuff kicking around in his brain that he can't deal with and so the anger comes out at the wrong things. Please don't think that there is anything you could do or be that would make him be different. It is all on him and he is an adult, too. Make the arrangements himself, and next time he argues like this, tell him that you don't have to take such abuse and you will not engage in conversation when he is like this. Then find a counselor for yourself and for both of you together.
I can see his point about not taking a day off, because he is new on the job. However, the way he went about it was rude and condescending. As if because he is a male, that his job is more important.

I think taking a friend along to watch the baby would be the best solution.
my dp and i get into lots of similar little arguements. things that to me weren't a big deal or that i think ought to be our responsibility not just mine, but i noticed a couple of things...

1- you shouldn't have started out calling your meeting stupid if it's really important to you that you go. my dp would assume that anything that i thought was stupid was something i was trying to get out of. saying that the meeting is stupid devalues the whole issue. i probably wouldn't have thought you were really looking for help.

2- sometimes days off need to be days off. i have found that business is best discussed during the week after dinner, usually with a little warning.
it's not so much because i think days off are sacred, but because people get out of the mindset of work. it's easier if your already in the work place a little bit.

now, i can't help you with the how to not let things blow out of proportion part. it happens here all the time. happened this afternoon in fact... over bread, at least childcare sounds like a legitiment issue when you tell the story later.


hope that helps.

kate
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While I agree with this to some extent the first time my dh said the word "stupid " with regard to something important to me I would be livid.
But, the OP used the word "stupid" to describe the meeting first. Maybe that made him think the meeting didn't matter much to you, and then later in the convo you said it did, so I don't know. It is weird that he didn't want to even talk about it on his day off? And, I don't think it's inappropriate to look to your child's other parent to watch her as the first choice, and then move on from there is he's not available.
Your solution - that he change his day off - seems perfectly reasonable to me. His reaction sounds like he's a little panicked by having to problem-solve and maybe touchy about the relative importance of his job/your job. He might also be feeling anxious about his work performance and keeping this job.

That said, I think he was rude. If he's really so sensitive about discussing work stuff on a non-work day maybe you should approach him only after having warned him first, so he has time to shift gears.

I can see how all that would be really irritating, though.
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1- you shouldn't have started out calling your meeting stupid if it's really important to you that you go. my dp would assume that anything that i thought was stupid was something i was trying to get out of. saying that the meeting is stupid devalues the whole issue. i probably wouldn't have thought you were really looking for help.
I think this is right. I used the word "stupid" because I am really anxious about the meeting and I also knew that he would think the meeting was stupid. I didn't think that would cause the whole issue to be devalued, but in retrospect, of course it did. It was kind of giving him mixed messages about the importance of the issue. Thank you for this insight.

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Your solution - that he change his day off - seems perfectly reasonable to me. His reaction sounds like he's a little panicked by having to problem-solve and maybe touchy about the relative importance of his job/your job. He might also be feeling anxious about his work performance and keeping this job.
He's VERY anxious. But he's anxious about alot of things - well, nearly everything, really. So to avoid talking about something because he's anxious about it would mean we don't talk about anything meaningful at all. Coupled with the fact that I was anxious about the meeting, I probably didn't present things as well as I could.

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If he is anything like mine, he lacks all common sense and communication skills. My dh just doesn't get stuff that it seems most people would.
This is it EXACTLY.

Thank you so much for your responses. They are very, very helpful. I felt so much better after reading them (and spent most of the evening checking back in to this forum every two seconds, lol). It feels good to know that other people understand and that my DH is like some other DH's. And it feels good to know people cared enough to post a reply
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Originally Posted by fek&fuzz
But, the OP used the word "stupid" to describe the meeting first. Maybe that made him think the meeting didn't matter much to you, and then later in the convo you said it did, so I don't know. It is weird that he didn't want to even talk about it on his day off? And, I don't think it's inappropriate to look to your child's other parent to watch her as the first choice, and then move on from there is he's not available.
I totally missed that
(and I agree with the rest
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double post but since I am here...

When I am dealing with the kids I find I need to give them warning. And set things up in a positive light before changing gears

Maybe when you need to talk about something you need to set it up better.

"honey, when you have a moment this afternoon I need to pick your brains on something"

"oh what's that?"

"it's this meeting...daycare thing, we can talk about it when you are ready..it's no biggie, just need some imput from you"

he may choose to talk about it then or later

if he is anxious about things in general then it might help if you plan serious conversations so that you are not anxious about them

Plus I wouldn't make suggestions...I am assuming if he's a reasonable person he will offer his services if possible but if not will make all sorts of other suggestions.

He was rude..now doubt about it...but you know his temperament so you may have to just work around it.
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I havent read any of the responses. Just what you wrote.

I personally think that you both have responsibilities to your Jobs as well as your Child.

1-You are blessed to have a job that allows you to bring your child to work
2-You sound like you are the primary supporter of the family, or have been for a year and a half
3-He is in a new job and is trying to make a good impression.

Does that sound about right?

To me, the solution would be to see if a friend of yours could care for the child for the day. It is a part of child care when the parents are both working parents. It happens.

I suggest finding someone outside of work that can care for the child as neither of you should be required to take the day off.

15 months? No grandparents have taken DC for a few hours so you and DH have some alone time?

Or your brothers and sisters?

Might want to try that, this is a LONG day trip so it may not be the best idea to start out with a day like that, but you may not have a choice.

In my opinion you both have valid reasons for asking the other to take the day off, and neither of you think the other's reason is valid. Communication break down happens at that point. Just an opinion.

anyways, I would see about outside childcare, preferrably a grand parent or family member, but you would know better than I.
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