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I hate it I hate it I hate it!!!<br><br>
Why is it when you try to ask constructive questions of the school administrators, when you try to point out areas where improvement might be made, instead of thanking your, or even PRETENDING to listen, they get their panties all in a bunch??<br><br>
Oh why oh why did we move? We were happy with our pervious school, but the house was too small. So we moved to a different state because, well buying houses in California is next to impossible. Besides I was under the impression that California schools were horrible. HA!! The grass is always greener on the other side.<br><br>
I have one dd that is in 6th grade. She has basically done a repeat of 5th grade this year due to a "pretend" TAG program here in Oregon. They SAY there is a TAG program, but I guess it is only on paper because when you ask them to simply give more challenging work in math, it turns into a 3 month fight and before you know it the year is over and nothing is done.<br><br>
Dd#2 is in 1st grade. She progressed beautifully in reading. But while I was busy fighting the middle school over the math, they weren't teaching the first graders math. They sent home a workbook so the children didn’t get bored over the summer. The first 10 pages have double digit adding and subtracting, (no redistributing) She didn’t know how to do it!! I had to sit down and show her how to do it. Now I can see I am going to have to spend the summer catching her up to where she SHOULD be. Of course what is going to happen next year when they do teach it and she already knows it? They will probably just make her sit there and do it anyway and not give her anything else.<br><br>
And of course when I try to email the school with my concerns I get snippy answers. I tried to word things in a non confrontational manner. I simply asked what I could expect next year and what I believe needed improvement. I mentioned that I had intended to move her to a different school, but I had found out it was the principals first year so I was willing to stick it out if I could see the school was moving in a direction we wanted to go. So I am told where I can pick up the forms to move her to a different school. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/banghead.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="banghead"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/banghead.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="banghead"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/banghead.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="banghead"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/banghead.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="banghead"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/banghead.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="banghead"><br><br>
I was always under the impression that the schools wanted the parents to work with them for the best education of the child. Why is it when you TRY to work with them they get all pissy if your vision differs from theirs?? Well if you got this far thanks for listening to me rant. I have seriously considered home schooling the girls, but they don't wish to be. So I am at a loss as to what to do. Thanks
 

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:LOL If you didn't live in a different state from me, I'd say that our kids must attend the same school! I had the same discussion w/ our principal about how I'd like to be an ally in supporting my children's learning experience rather than an adversary, but it does seem that they have the attitude of 'my way or the highway.' Our principal suggested that we should move (actually sell our house & move!) to another place where the schools are more in line w/ what I would like (which is basically only have some tolerance for diversity & allow parent input!).<br><br>
We're CA transplants, too. I am seriously wanting to move home, but we have the same issue with affording housing in CA. Sorry that I have nothing to offer other than commiseration!
 

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I am seriously considering homeschooling for many of these reasons. I don't feel that my children's school is meeting the needs of MY kids. Maybe other kids, but not mine.<br>
Spending a chunk of time talking about enrichment that doesn't really happen rings especially familiar.<br><br>
My daughter does not want to homeschool, she is interested though. I am slowly working on her. Next year she is suppose to go to the middle school and is curious and excited about it. I figure the time to hit her hard about homeschooling is mid-summer when the hype dies down. I really think it is our best option right now.
 

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HI,<br>
I am not in your state, but I am a teaching artist who works in NYC public school system and all I can say is..... My children will never go to public schools here the way they are now. We plan on homschooling. Maybe if you researched homeschooling groups so that your daughter can see that she can still have friends and a social life... Maybe that's what is bothering here... maybe you can see if anyone near you is into cooperative learning situation. There are alternatives. How about charter schools in your area, they have usually been started by parents of like minds. Just a few suggestions. And I feel your pain and am sorry that you have ha dthese types of problems, unfortunately on the larger scale of things they are not just going to go away- we (parents) must be the solution to our children's educational needs-<br><br>
Hope this helps
 

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Unfortunatly there are not any charter schools in our grade level in our area. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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what about free schools"democratic" ? I would highly suggest finding your nearest homeschooling group because a lot of families have gone through similiar experiences if their kids were in public school. If they are nothing more than a resource and a local support team! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1">
 

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I dont know what this is. I have never heard of it.
 

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Free schools are really democratic alternative schools. The theory is that students should get choices about what they learn and how they learn and the teachers act as guides or facilitators of the learning process. It a school setting and students generally work on "projects" that incorporate a lot of different "subjects". For instance at the free school in brooklyn the students made rootbeer as a project which incorporated science, history, mathematics and art. They sold the bottles in their comunity as a fund raiser.<br><br>
Hope this is a good explanation of free school philosophy. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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I think the atmosphere of a school is so very much set by its particular administrator. He/She can make it a place where different opinions are welcome...or not. Likewise, the superintendent can set the tone for the district. Would you see any value in trying to sit down with one of these people one on one and talking to them. I think sometimes in email communication a lot can be lost and much misinterpreted. Perhaps they are misinterpreting your tone and this is leading to their curt responses?<br><br>
If you really do have another choice of schools, perhaps it would also be wise to visit there to see if they do things any differently, before you make your decision for next year. Even if it's in the same district, it could be much much different and more open to parent involvement.<br><br>
If you want more info on democratic schools, check out our subforum "Other: Sudbury, Free Schools, etc." listed on top here at Learning at School.
 

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Thanks for the info on democratic schools. I did find one in Portland. However the tuition for two children combined with the fact that it is about 45 minutes without commute traffic makes it unpractical. I think I might try homeschooling over the summer and see how that works out. DD#2 needs to catch up to where I believe she should be in math and dd#3 can start on the algerbra they are going to place her in "next" year. (everytime I asked for more challenging work they keep saying well "next year" we will place her in algerbra." Umm so what about this year? Hello? ) I just don't understand why the schools can't teach the children. Isn't that what they are there for?
 

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What about a virtual academy. We are pulling our kids from public school in the fall because the school isn't meeting their needs and I am tired of fighting with them. The program we are using is K12 and it is a charter school. They will provide you with a computer, printer, and the curriculum. There is no charge b/c the money that would have gone to the public school goes to the virtual academy. I am going with this our first year and may switch to a different curriculum the following year. My crew will be in fourth, third, and second. We will be doing preschool with our youngest.
 

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There are no charter schools in this area. There are no recourses provided by either the school district or the county school board for home schoolers. There are some districts that offer computer courses but it is my understanding if you do not live in that district you have to pay. They charge as much as $270 per class.<br><br>
Once you decide to home school, you are on your own. You just have to show up for the state tests in 3rd, 5th, 8th, and 10th grades I believe. I cannot believe the lack of resources that are provided for schooling here.
 

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I am not happy with my public school system, in fact had a huge fight with them today!!! My youngest child is entering kindergarten this fall and county schools are soooo overcrowded. Some of the classes have 40 kids in there and 2 teachers, so they try and say their class size is really 18-20 per teacher, but really only one teacher can teach at a time!! I don't want my kindergardner learning or not learning in that environment! I tried to school choice him into another school but the way they are running that is ridiculous. They had a March 1 deadline for applications and then everytime I called they said no decision would be made until mid June. Now today they said all the schools are frozen and unless you are a hardship case too bad you will be put in a lottery. So now I need to decide if I will homeschool him. My other two sons are in middle school and I did not have this problem with them, we school choiced into a school that I knew and while it wasn't perfect it worked well. I am tired of the bureaucratic, political, a-- kissing that goes on in the public school system. I am now starting to research homeschooling and will try it during the summer to see how it works.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">There are no charter schools in this area. There are no recourses provided by either the school district or the county school board for home schoolers. There are some districts that offer computer courses but it is my understanding if you do not live in that district you have to pay. They charge as much as $270 per class.<br><br>
Once you decide to home school, you are on your own. You just have to show up for the state tests in 3rd, 5th, 8th, and 10th grades I believe. I cannot believe the lack of resources that are provided for schooling here.</div>
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This is an independant study program...basically supervised homeschooling.<br><br>
These district-run programs use the K12 curriculum and accept students from across the state.<br><br>
South Columbia Family School<br>
33589 SE High School Way<br>
Scappose 97056<br>
Allison Charbonneau<br>
503-397-6015<br><br>
here's an online independant study charter school in oregon<br><a href="http://www.connectionsacademy.com/state/home.asp?sid=or" target="_blank">http://www.connectionsacademy.com/state/home.asp?sid=or</a><br>
Oregon Connections Academy (ORCA) is a virtual public charter school recently approved in concept in January 2005, by Scio School District 95C to serve students throughout Oregon beginning in Fall, 2005. The school will serve students in grades K–12 (K–9 in 2005–6) using the Connections Academy curriculum and technology that have proven successful nationwide. ORCA will launch pending final school board approval.
 

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:LOL :LOL :LOL :LOL :LOL :LOL<br><br>
I'm not laughing AT you, Tina. I'm laughing because it hurts too bad to do what should be done instead, KWIM?<br><br>
I got into education and became a teacher believing EXACTLY what you wrote above. Then I found out what the real purpose of education is. I would tell you, but this essay does a fine job of it. It's written by a man who was the New York State Teacher of the Year and is now a profoundly pro-homeschooling advocate.<br><br><a href="http://www.worldtrans.org/whole/schoolteacher.txt" target="_blank">http://www.worldtrans.org/whole/schoolteacher.txt</a><br><br>
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">The first lesson I teach is confusion.<br>
Everything I teach is out of context... I teach the unrelating of<br>
everything. I teach disconnections. I teach too much: the orbiting of<br>
planets, the law of large numbers, slavery, adjectives, architectural<br>
drawing, dance, gymnasium, choral singing, assemblies, surprise guests,<br>
fire drills, computer languages, parent's nights, staff-development<br>
days, pull-out programs, guidance with strangers you may never see<br>
again, standardized tests, age-segregation unlike anything seen in the<br>
outside world... what do any of these things have to do with each<br>
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Read more. I used to think that he was a ranting Jeremiah; now I know he's just a realist.
 

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Thanks moondiaper!!! That looks really interesting! I will call them in the morning to find out if it was evera approved in Oregon. Their site says they are hoping it will be by April but I would think if it had been they would have updated it by now.<br><br>
Charles, I will check out your link in the morning. It is nice, or actually maybe disheartening to know that teachers feel the same way many parents and students do. Yet the people in charge can't seem to grasp, or else they don't care, that their system is not working they way it should.
 

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This first school I listed is up an running so don't forget to call that one too, it just didn't have a website to look at. You can look at the curriculum for the first school at <a href="http://www.k12.com" target="_blank">www.k12.com</a> and download sample lessons.
 

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I'm an elementary ed major and have worked in the FL public school system (with special needs kids <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love"> ) for 3 years.<br><br>
There is no way I would send my children to public school. Period.<br><br>
Don't get me wrong, my fellow educators are good people, and great teachers, but there is far too much crap which I feel is not in the best interests of students.<br><br>
But I don't make the rules. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:
 

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The phone doesn't seem to work in the first one and I had to leave a message for the 2nd one. I am a very impaitent person however, I hope they call back soon. :p
 
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