Originally Posted by christinelin
What I ended up doing was adjusting my schedule -- going to bed very early to get enough total sleep. I also did nightwean between 2 and 3 years and found the sleep improved somewhat with that. A final thing that helped us was not nursing to sleep. Once they could fall asleep on their own, it really did seem to help (sleep associations and all that cr*p).
My guy who has Aspergers is now taking melatonin at bedtime which helps with falling asleep and sleep in the early evening. I wonder if the doc would okay that for Connor?
Unfortunately I can't adjust my go to bed time...I WOH, I get home just as hubby is leaving (he's full time night student) and have to take care of dinner, dishes, cleaning, get kids to bed, get my bags packed for the next day, etc at night. It's the only time I have to do it. I often leave a lot of the cleaning/dishes for hubby to handle the next morning, but it doesn't always get done that way. And trust me, we do NOT have a spotless house, I"m talking about the bare minimum cleaning here
Connor does put himself to sleep at nap time and at bed time. I do nurse him first when I'm home, but he is awake when he is put in his bed.
I've never researched much about melatonin, but with his history of airway issues, I wonder if it would be safe...
Originally Posted by sbgrace
Hubby doesn't take any of the night stuff?
So do you think he's waking out of "learned" hunger at night?
The two hours thing doesn't fit quite in terms of typical sleep cycle length at that age. In other words, he's not waking at the end of every sleep cycle I don't think.
What makes you certain he's not having reflux at night?
No, hubby does not do much at night...I did finally insist that he be the one to get Connor from his bed and bring him to me, but that doesn't save me any sleep, it just spreads out the misery a little
My hubby is a wonderful man, husband, and father, but sleep is a big thing for him. He has real issues with functioning when his sleep is interrupted. I used to think he was just being lazy or that he just had to suck it up like mothers have to, but he thinks a bad night of sleep is waking up once to notice the time!!! I resolved long ago that night time will have to be my time, because otherwise our children would be forced to CIO if left up to hubby...
Originally Posted by bdavis337
Reflux perhaps, like Rachelle suggested? Or.........2 year old molars?
Yes, I've been suspecting molars, because he has his hand in his mouth when he wakes up at night. But I've tried Motrin and it doesn't help.
Reflux...Sigh...he just doesn't have the signs he used to have of reflux...he used to obviously reflux, or at least burp, or cough, or SOMETHING!! How else would I know??? We aren't currently seeing GI because I had a...we'll call it a "difference of opinion" with the GI we were seeing when Connor was an infant, and I managed to control his reflux on my own without their help, and any other GI issue I've handled through genetics or dev peds.
Originally Posted by mykdsmomy
Can you give him some calms forte before bed? Have you tried melatonin?
This may not be an option but have you thought of bringing his bed into your room? (We did this for Boo and it has helped keep him out of our bed...he's 4 and weighs nearly 60 lbs. He kicks and screams in his sleep....it was bad).
I'm sending Connor sleepy vibes
Have not tried melatonin, not sure if his medical issues would allow for it, but I'll research it. Have not tried calms forte. I'll research both.
The reason we moved him to his own bed in his own room is because it got to the point where we were keeping each other up at night...neither of us got into a deep enough sleep if we were in the same bed (me always on edge about me or hubby rolling over on him, or the blankets coming up too high, or him tummy sleeping on a soft mattress, etc etc; and him because he could sense my boob all night) We did him in his own bed, but still in our room, and he could see us if he woke up at night and was much less likely to put himself back to sleep on his own.
Originally Posted by sbgrace
To elaborate a little.
We had been feeding Andrew through the night for extra calories. I had to actually slowly "wean" out those feeds (he was bottlefed) when no longer needed the night calories. His body was so used to eating at night it woke him.
But your description of the frequency and wanting to nurse but being variable sounds more to me like he's waking from reflux pain. Andrew's only reflux sign as he got older was sleep issues like that. Well, if we let it go on he would change drinking patterns too but night was the main thing.
That's how all this started with Connor, too, was that he needed the extra calories, and I didn't care when he got them as long as he got them. So if he didn't drink enough from his bottle (expressed BM) during the day, I'd wake him to nurse at night. And I never refused nursing at night.
What change in drinking patterns did you see? Connor drinks a LOT, and has been majorly increasing his drinking, particularly in the past couple weeks. I asked about it to the nutritionist at the cleft team a few weeks ago and she brushed it off saying that it wasn't a bad thing. But now you've got me thinking... ANd he's specifically asking for almond milk, not water (we don't do juice). Hmm...
Originally Posted by momtoalexsarah
I agree with the others, I think you need to get the reflux checked - if may not have shown up in the swallow study that you did because it may be periodic or positional.
Megan was on Zantac for a long time and we droped it when she was about 26 months and we had night weaned and she was sleeping well. All was good for about 2 months and then she started waking about every 2 hours, she would want a drink of milk and go back down. This carried on untill Sept when we where in at her peads and he said to put her back in the Zantac and see if the sleep improved - within a week she was sleeping 8-10 hours steight.
When I was talking to the ENT at cleft clinic they said that kids with clefts/palatial issues get reflux because the open airway(that causes the VPI) creates a vacume affect when they lay down, drawing that acid up so it may not be obviose (Megans can be subtle to full blown dribbling out the nose) Megans is somewhat allergie related but not completely. She will reflux durring the day - if given the right conditions, I demontrated this to the ENT by giving her a glass of chocolate milk - she was dribbling it out the nose within 10 minutes
I know that he's very prone to reflux because of his structural issues, particularly the laryngomalacia. But I really thought we had it largely under control once we identified the allergies!!! Aside from these continued sleep issues, there are no signs that he's refluxing...no bad breath, no red throat, no coughing, no choking, nothing is visibly coming out of his mouth or nose...
OKay...I'll be calling...somebody...tomorrow. Who? Dev Ped maybe? Actually, I've heard that there's a new GI at Children's, maybe I"ll give her a try and see if I get along with her. The GIs at this hospital are notorious for giving out bad information about breastfeeding, pushing formula, and not being willing to try (or even talk about) alternative methods of treating GI issues other than surgery and/or medication.
THanks for being a good sounding board, guys!!