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I've posted before that I sadly had Brendan circumcised when he was born due to my own ignorance. I'd give anything to take it back, but I can't. His skin has reattached just above the rim and I've read just to leave it alone. That's right isn't it? Won't he pull it apart in normal handling/"playing"? Ripping it apart is painful and can cause more problems, yes? I told my husband that and he said it needs fixed because his never did that. I said that was because his mom always pulled his back, but we need to just leave it alone. He said if anything bad happens when he gets older, he is holding ME responsible for it because I am saying not to pull it back. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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You are right to leave it alone. Pulling it loose can cause scare tissue to form and that would leave him with a spot that would be even less sensative than ever. Your dh really cant know for sure what happened to him as a baby unless his mom remembers in detail. My mom would consider it normal to pull the skin back over and over and would never has thought anything about it. It was just how they delt with it.<br><br>
I hope someone has that link to give you on dealing with adhesions.
 

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I hope so too. I'm already upset beyond belief and beating myself up that I allowed it to happen in the first place. I keep reading about adhesions and how it isn't normal, something needs to be done, but it just doesn't seem right to me. If they pull it back, it could just reattach since it has happened twice before. Please please......someone tell me that they know of adhesions that did pull loose on their own as the boy got older. It's attached all around the ridge with no gaps, which I'm assuming is how it was before I butchered him. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/gloomy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Gloomy">: At least it's not a skin bridge.
 

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J Urol. 2001 Mar;165(3):915.<br><br>
Penile adhesions after neonatal circumcision.<br><br>
Ponsky LE, Ross JH, Knipper N, Kay R.<br><br>
Department of Urology, Cleveland Clinic Foundation, Cleveland, Ohio, USA.<br><br>
“In these groups we noted an adhesion rate of 71%, 28%, 8% and 2%, respectively. The rate of adhesions more severe than grade 1 was 30%, 10% and 0% in boys 12 months old or younger, 13 to 60 and 61 months old or older, respectively. The oldest patient with grade 3 adhesions was 31 months old. Skin bridges in 6 cases involved the circumcision line in 4.”<br><br>
"CONCLUSIONS: Penile adhesions develop after circumcision and the incidence decreases with patient age. Although there is debate on whether to lyse these adhesions manually, our findings suggest that adhesions resolve without treatment. Based on our results we do not recommend lysing penile adhesions, except perhaps those involving the circumcision line."<br><br><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10893633&dopt=Abstract" target="_blank">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract</a><br><br>
“Penile adhesions occur frequently after circumcision. Some physicians advocate manual lysis of the adhesions. This procedure can be painful and traumatic. Penile adhesions are normal in uncircumcised boys and normally resolve without treatment.”<br><br><a href="http://www.kidsgrowth.com/resources/adviceDetail.cfm?id=3420" target="_blank">http://www.kidsgrowth.com/resources/...il.cfm?id=3420</a><br><br>
Gil Fuld, M.D., F.A.A.P.<br><br>
“Sometimes after a routine newborn circumcision, excess foreskin remains. Since newborn circumcision is not medically necessary, it's certainly better to leave a little extra than to take off too much and damage the child's penis.”<br><br>
“So, it's a common occurrence in little boys for adhesions to develop under any remaining foreskin, although it's rarely a problem and practically never requires a repeat circumcision.”<br><br><a href="http://www.medem.com/medlb/article_detaillb_for_printer.cfm?article_ID=ZZZYMEGW1NC&sub_cat=474" target="_blank">http://www.medem.com/medlb/article_d...NC&sub_cat=474</a><br><br>
Vincent Iannelli, M.D.<br><br>
“It isn't really normal, but is a common complication after a circumcision. In a situation like this, penile adhesions form when the skin on the shaft of the penis attaches itself to the glans or head of the penis. In extreme cases, it can look like the child was never even circumcised, leading parents to believe that the child had a 'bad circumcision.'”<br><br>
“If the skin is attached only on the very base of the glans, then your child has a very mild case of penile adhesions and you can likely just leave it alone. It should eventually separate, especially once your child becomes older, and anyway, forcing it apart would be painful.”<br><br><a href="http://pediatrics.about.com/od/weeklyquestion/a/05_pnl_adhesion.htm" target="_blank">http://pediatrics.about.com/od/weekl...l_adhesion.htm</a><br><br>
“The foreskin will almost always detach itself in time as a boy develops. It should not be forcibly retracted. This may lead to scarred adhesions that will not detach without surgery. Penile growth is not usually influenced by adhesion of the foreskin to the glans penis.”<br><br><a href="http://www.henryfordhealth.org/19160.cfm" target="_blank">http://www.henryfordhealth.org/19160.cfm</a><br><br>
HTHs,<br><br>
Jen
 

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<a href="http://www.circumstitions.com/Complic.html" target="_blank">http://www.circumstitions.com/Complic.html</a><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">The findings indicate that most penile adhesions resolve spontaneously with time, the researchers write. Based on their findings, the Cleveland researchers advise against routine lysing of penile adhesions, except perhaps when they involve the circumcision line.</td>
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">CONCLUSIONS: Penile adhesions develop after circumcision and the incidence decreases with patient age. Although there is debate on whether to lyse these adhesions manually, our findings suggest that adhesions resolve without treatment. Based on our results we do not recommend lysing penile adhesions, except perhaps those involving the circumcision line.</td>
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Thank you ladies. I love that you all are so supportive and helpful. I feel better about it now, so thank you!!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug">
 

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All the links I was going to give were already posted.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
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It looks like the other posters have the adhesion issue very well covered, but I did want to point out that back in our day(20-30 or so) years ago, circumcisions were done differently too.<br><br>
The docs then tended to do them more tightly, removing all of the foreskin leaving no slack. As a result, adhesions were not really an issue, as there was no slack skin left to try to heal itself.<br><br>
But they eventually found that doing them this tight made for a ton of other problems, penile bowing during erections, tearing during erections, scrotal skin(including hair) pulling up on the penile shaft during erections, ect. upon maturity.<br><br>
So although it may be true that your dh didn't experience any adhesions, chances are his circumcision and the circumcision of your son are quite different in "style". Luckily for your son, the more "slack" he has now, the less chance he has of having problems later.<br><br>
Good luck to you,<br>
Tara
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">It looks like the other posters have the adhesion issue very well covered, but I did want to point out that back in our day(20-30 or so) years ago, circumcisions were done differently too.<br><br>
The docs then tended to do them more tightly, removing all of the foreskin leaving no slack. As a result, adhesions were not really an issue, as there was no slack skin left to try to heal itself.<br><br>
But they eventually found that doing them this tight made for a ton of other problems, penile bowing during erections, tearing during erections, scrotal skin(including hair) pulling up on the penile shaft during erections, ect. upon maturity.<br><br>
So although it may be true that your dh didn't experience any adhesions, chances are his circumcision and the circumcision of your son are quite different in "style". Luckily for your son, the more "slack" he has now, the less chance he has of having problems later.<br><br>
Good luck to you,<br>
Tara</div>
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Yeah, that. Well said. And, hazelnut316, you know better now and you'll do your best to protect future brothers and other boys from this happening again. Plus, you can always educate him about restoring when he's a lot older.<br><br>
I'm not calling your husband a liar, but I don't know how he can remember how he looked when he was Brendan's age... unless he has nude pictures (bath).
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I told my husband that and he said it needs fixed because his never did that.</div>
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That's probably because he has a '70s/'80s high/tight circumcision like me. Back then, the "doctor" would practically skin the penis. There's so little skin left that many men suffer from bent penises, tight and painful erections, and having a smaller visibile erection. Ever see a man whose scrotum ends at his glans? That's the handywork of a '70s/'80s "doctor." So many cut men with these problems just assume that they were born defective and go on to do the same thing to their own kids.<br><br>
On the other hand, the '90s/'00s "doctor" leaves his victims with a little skin to avoid some of the problems. He still destroys most of the fun parts and charges even more money, of course.<br><br>
The point of the above two paragraphs is this. Your husband's penis never had any adhesions because his mother's "doctor" cut off so much skin that adhesions were an impossibility. On the other hand, your son does have enough skin for an adhesion.<br><br>
Adhesions are the penis's way of repairing itself after being damaged and traumatized. Like other posters here are sure to tell you, leave it alone. The "doctor" has already done enough damage, don't let him or your husband do any more.<br><br>
And believe me, your "doctor" would be happy to take more of your money for a recirc that will only make things worse. If you ever see a boy that looks like he has two belly bottons, he's the victim of a recirc. Of course, the "doctor" will assure you that everything is fine, but he's not the one with a belly button penis.
 
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