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I only use <b>One Tablespoon</b> of Tide per load; I do a prerinse and an extra rinse; I STILL get buildup. The dipes are in there now rinsing away. Maybe it's the hard water? I don't know. The Calgon always seems to make suds magically appear. I don't think I can use much less than 1 tbsp and still have clean dipes....but I hate using so much water!!!!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/mecry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="crying">
 

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Have you tried a different detergent? From what I understand Free and Clear type detergents tend to cause build up so that is out. There is Sportswash, which is supposed to rinse very clean. I use Sun Belt, which I buy in a big bucket at Winn Dixie, and have not had any buildup problems. I don't use Tide detergent so I really can't comment on how strong it is.
 

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I use Sportswash every few washes....but that stuff makes suds galore!!! I've tried Biokleen but haven't had much luck with it since we moved to Florida.
 

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Yeah, I do think buildup is a constant battle. But I'm not so sure you have it. I don't believe that suds are always a true indicator of build up. Sport Wash has been tested to not leave residue, even at 4 times the recommended amount used in a front loader in tests comparing it to regular detergent. They would weigh the diaper dry and the ones with regular detergent would get heavier and heavier and the ones washed in Sport Wash would remain the same. So how is it that the suds we see when we use very little of it can be called buildup? I think there is chemically something going on there that we don't understand. I do think suds can be a good indicator of a problem, but just not always. I tend to rely more on my nose (is there a stink problem? Can I smell the detergent when he wets?), rashes, and on the texture of the diapers to tell if there is a problem.
 

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I completely disagree with the testing done by atsko regarding their sportwash <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br>
I used it and it left the worse build up on my diapers that my ds's penis turned red and drainy with in 2 nights, he only wears the trainers at night, and dd had an open sore with in about 12 hours.<br>
DS is kind of sensitive, but dd is not sensitive at all.<br>
I had been using sportwash/sensi clean exclusively for 1 week, 1 capful, and it took roughly 8-1- washes to get the diapers clean enough to put back on the kids.<br>
I did not originally notice it, but there was a metalic like smell from the sportwash.<br><br>
Am I 100% positive it was the sportwash, yes I am, I did try it again on just 1 diaper and used that on my dd.<br><br>
I take what atsko says about the 100% rinsing clear with a grain of salt. Tide and the others would most likely say the same thing. I do have copies of the atsko reports and they do not reflect hat I experianced and what a small portion of people have experianced.<br><br>
But for the OP, yes for some I think build up is an on going issue due to water/detergent/fabric combinations. If it were me, I would probably lean more towards diapers that do not tend to have build up issues, prefolds and covers. Anything with fleece and hemp can have build up issues.
 

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I know what you are saying about the Sportswash Kermit, and mayeb there is something else making the suds, but I can't really imagine what. But I do use Tide most of the time. And my dipes stink when he pees. Not horribly because I catch early now, but still an odor, and some ammonia smell in the morning. I know it's buildup when I know immediately when DS pees LOL. Maybe I should just use Sportswash alone for a while and see what happens???<br><br>
Yikes detergentdiva!!! I too think Sportswash isn't quite as residue free as they say, but to counteract that I have found that using 1/2 capful works better. 1 cap made sooo much suds I couldn't believe what I was seeing! And there is an odor but I think it's just from the ingredients, I mean nothing is totally scent free.
 

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Stinky diapers could be not clean enough, too, I think.<br>
Sport Wash never got my diapers clean. They stunk like ammonia still after being washed with it. I would suspect dirty diapers would cause rashes.<br>
Suds could also be due to detergent residue in the washer.<br>
Any detergent, even a very clean rinsing one, will be left on diapers with just one rinse or rinses with very little water.<br>
I wonder what is in Sport Wash that takes 8 rinses to get out? Linda, you were having continued rashes unless you stripped the diapers washed in SW with 8 rinses? Or were you just seeing suds for 8 rinses?
 

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It took a full 8 washes to get the metalic smell out of the diapers. IMO they were not clean until the smell was gone.<br><br>
I did not have build up issues prior to using the SW and my washer itself was clean so it was not build up from with in the washer.<br>
I did wash a single diaper after the whole mess and use the single diaper and nearly immediately my dd was burned.<br>
I did contact SW regarding this and they stated they had never heard of any problems before although I know of several people who have had similar issues with the SW. I do think the number of people who do is a small number but it is still something that happens.<br>
I also don't believe that the sportwash gets diapers clean completely but I do think that it does help to remove residue. But I also believe that the switching to SW to remove residue is kind of like the hair shampoo theory. Every now and then you switch brands to strip your hair. If you switch detergent brands you will most likely have similar results. No I don't have proof of this only a theory of mine.<br>
I do know that many people who use sportwash have stated that they use it with their regular detergent because it does not get their diapers clean.
 

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My gut reaction to the original post is that one tablespoon of detergent for hard water is not enough detergent. When you have soft water, you need to use less detergent. We have somewhat hard water, and I use 1/3-1/2 cap of Arm & Hammer and don't have suds in my rinse. I do Calgon my dipes about once a month, but it was a lot worse when I used less detergent.
 

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I believe the diapers are clean enough. I get plenty of suds in the wash with just 1 tbsp of Tide. Given the number of rinses of I've had to use to lessen the suds, I have buildup.<br><br>
Is there anyone who NEVER gets buidup? If so, what do you do? Maybe I should use the detergent in my prerinse so it gets 3 rinses after soap instead of 2? What the heck did they do in the "old" days when they washed by hand? Did babies all stink???? I may have to call my grandmother, she had 4 kids under 2 (twins in there!) and diapers galore, but I know she had a washing machine eventually.
 

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Ugh. We're playing the buildup game, too.<br><br>
I have soft water and use a teeny bit of Tide. I've been using a sample packet of Sensi-Clean, and using just a teeny amount in the wash and my dipes seem to be getting clean.<br><br>
I, too, have been wondering if this is a part of the cd drama, and I also HATE the crazy water-wasting. Large load after large load after large load to rinse away that "oopsie" barely-generous partial cap of detergent.<br><br>
truebluexf, call your grandma! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin">
 

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I don't think I've had a buildup issue in the 3.5 mos I've been cd-ing. We use hemp and FB's. At first I was washing everything with All Free + Clear. I used about 2 Tbsps per wash and put it in during the cold rinse. Then I would do a full cycle hot water wash, and an extra rinse of hot water after. I hang my diapes in the sun and then toss them in the dryer on medium for 10 mins to soften them. I haven't had a buildup issue yet (I don't think so anyway).<br><br>
Now I'm worried that I may get a buildup issue so I'm considering switching to a TSP or TBSP of dish liquid instead of All free + clear. Does anyone have any opinions on this??<br><br>
I also toss a 1/2 cup of vinegar in the pre-rinse every few weeks or so.....I've heard that baking soda can cause buildup so I stopped using it. Ughhhh, who ever thought washing CD's would be so confusing?! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/confused.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Confused">:
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"> I've been cloth diapering for 5 years last month, and I've never had to strip my diapers. I've been CDing for 2.5 years with very hard water, and it hasn't been a problem here, either. I use 1/4-1/2 cap of Tide (or Tide Free) with vinegar in the downey ball (ever load). Less than a year ago, I started adding Calgon, because I noticed my regular clothes weren't getting clean. However, build up has never been a problem that I've noticed.
 

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Ulrike -- thanks! What is the rest of your routine? (how many rinses, prerinse, etc.) I'd love to know and give it a shot. Though I swear when I used that much detergent I seemed to have buildup! But I'll give it a try! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin">
 

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OK, here's the sign I put on the Laundry Room wall for DH. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin"><br><br><b><span style="font-size:medium;">LAUNDRY</span></b><br><br><b><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Diapers</span></b>
  1. Short (<6 min) cold cycle - add nothing (skip this if no poopy diapers in the load)
  2. Long (15 min) hot cycle - add:<br>
    - One capful Calgon Water Softener<br>
    - One-half capful Tide (or 1/4)<br>
    - One-half Downy Ball vinegar
  3. Short (6 min) hot cycle - add nothing
  4. Dry on high[/list=1]<br><br><b><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Other clothes</span></b>
    1. DO NOT OVER FILL THE WASHER!
    2. Long (15 min) warm cycle - add:<br>
      - One capful Calgon Water Softener<br>
      - One-half capful Tide (or 1/4)<br>
      - One-half capful fabric softener plus one capful water in the Downy Ball
    3. Dry on high[/list=1]<br><br>
      That's it. Those very short cycles are the closest thing I can get to a "rinse cycle" on my machine. If I turn the nob to "rinse", it doesn't fill.
 

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Thank you, I'm trying out your routine now. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
BTW, when you say 1/4 to 1/2, do you mean of the whole cap or of the smallest load amt in the cap?
 

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I wash with a laundrymat front loader and have had great results with this routine (we have hard water also):<br><br>
-Rinse poo diapers<br>
-prewash cycle warm about 1/4 c calgon, about 1/8 cup A&H FC, maybe less<br>
-hot wash nothing<br>
-rinse cold with 20 drops tto (these machines rinse with fresh water and spin 4 times before extracting)<br><br>
That being said I don't use fleece diapers and have only a few hemp diapers, I really do think that prefolds and thinner fitteds are better than AIOs and thicker fitteds when it comes to avoiding build up. JMO
 

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I haven't yet started CDing, I'm building my stash. Could the washing machine somehow contribute to buildup? Ours is 11 years old and we're thinking about getting a new one - one of the fancy H2s or H3s from Sears. Do you think that type of machine would help address problems such as build up? Or, do you think that it is mainly a fabric/water/cleaner combo problem?<br><br>
I didn't realize that in addition to the difficulty of finding the right DCing system for you baby, you also have to figure out the best wash/dry routine!<br><br>
You CDers could be chemists!<br><br>
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Sometimes you get lucky and it's easy. I never had build up problems until my dd started solids and I coincidentally started using fleece lined diapers. Then it took about 2 months to figure out how to get diapers clean and fight detergent build up. I tried all sorts of additives and until I finally gave up on fleece and discovered calgon. No problems since<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
As for buying a new washer, go for it if water concervation is an issue where you live, front loaders use so much less water and detergent.
 

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Personally, I have heard enough about build-up with HE front loaders that I'm glad I have a top loader. I think the front loaders are probably great, but seem to have a huge learning curve. A lot of them require that you do so many rinses that I doubt you are saving any water.<br>
But don't let my opinion be a deciding factor for you. Do a search on this subject or start a new thread and see what you think.<br>
I think your washer could contribute. An old washer likely has some build up of detergent where you can't see it. It might be so much that a hot soak with a gallon of vinegar may not even break it all down. But then again, your washer might be fine.
 
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