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I mean, I understand that they almost have to, but it really cheeses me off.<br><br><a href="http://www.albawaba.com/en/countries/UAE/205510" target="_blank">http://www.albawaba.com/en/countries/UAE/205510</a><br>
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Don't get me wrong--I am so glad there are developments towards making formula more nutritionally sound for babies who don't, for whatever reason, get breastmilk. But I fear all people hear is <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/blahblah.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="blah blah"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/blahblah.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="blah blah"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/blahblah.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="blah blah"> Just like breastmilk <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/blahblah.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="blah blah"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/blahblah.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="blah blah"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/blahblah.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="blah blah">
 

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You'd love the info I found in my Anatomy & Physiology text book last night <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:<br><br>
Something like "many women in the U.S. currently choose to formula feed because it is so close to the nutrients found in human breastmilk" <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:<br>
I'm planning to e-mail the author (maybe I should let some of you e-mail him as well <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"> )<br><br>
The really sad thing? We're all pre-nursing/nursing students.. and most of them really won't know any better <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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yeah and how expensive will these new formulas be? whereas breastmilk costs...oh yes, nothing. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">The really sad thing? We're all pre-nursing/nursing students.. and most of them really won't know any better <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"></div>
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According to my brother, who is a nurse at a nationally recognized children's hospital, the only thing missing from artifical baby milk is the immunities. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> And he's not willing to learn. He's been out of school since May '05 so it's not like he just rec'd outdated info.<br><br>
It seems that the only medical professionals who get accurate information on breastfeeding are the ones who seek the information from those who know: LLL and Dr. Newman, etc. The ones who get their information elsewhere are no more knowledgable on the subject than the checkout person at the local grocery store.<br><br>
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Especially if the checkout person at your local grocery store happens to be a nursing mama! They are way more knowledgable than doctors or nurses.
 

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To be fair, I think if companies can say that formula is "just like" breastmilk because it contains this and that, they should have to say, but it doesn't contain these important qualities. I think that women do hear <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/blahblah.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="blah blah"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/blahblah.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="blah blah"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/blahblah.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="blah blah"> just like breastmilk <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/blahblah.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="blah blah"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/blahblah.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="blah blah"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/blahblah.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="blah blah"> because there is no "but" or "lacking" statements involved. I wouldn't mind a comparison at all if it was a pros and cons type thing instead of just pros.<br><br>
I can make a convincing arguement for why you should feed your kid chocolate and coke instead of fruit juice and vegetables as long as I don't have to state the reasons coke and chocolate is negative.
 

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Is this about those stupid "nucleotides" again?! There's no way that the nucleotides mimick the effects of imunoglobulins in human milk. Beta Caratine may "boost" our immune systems but that's not the same thing as passing an active antibody to your baby through your living milk. It's all here in Dr. Newman's handout, <a href="http://kellymom.com/newman/how_breastmilk_protects_newborns.html" target="_blank">How Breastmilk Protects Newborns</a>. There's NO WAY anything that's powdered up in a can gives the same effects as all the stuff that's in BM that they can't powder up and put in a can. See, now I sound like a mad crazy woman, and that makes me even madder!!!!
 

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I have the bumpersticker that says "Changing the ingredients in formula and saying it is now more like breastmilk is like changing the temperature of your oven from 350 to 250 and saying 'There! Now it's more like a refrigerator!'"
 

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Love that bumpersticker!!<br><br>
Dead formula sure doesn't equal living breastmilk.<br><br>
I am also COMPLETELY sick of the 'comparison'. There isn't one.
 

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OMG that bumpersticker made my day!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> Where can I get one?
 

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Another good slogan is 'There are two natural ways to feed a baby...<br><br><br><br>
the right side and the left side."
 

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I just started reading Breastfeeding Matters. Wow. Her points are so concise.<br><br>
And the one that sticks in my mind the most is: Breastmilk is the standard on which they base formula...but we don't even know everything that is in breastmilk. So it is impossible to replicate that which contains vast quantities of the unknown.
 

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I like that bumpersticker and slogan.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/winner.jpg" style="border:0px solid;" title="BFSymbol"> ,<br>
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I LOVE this!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I have the bumpersticker that says "Changing the ingredients in formula and saying it is now more like breastmilk is like changing the temperature of your oven from 350 to 250 and saying 'There! Now it's more like a refrigerator!'"</div>
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I NEED THAT STICKER!!!! Where did you find it?!?!
 

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I read a book recently about the move from breast to bottle in Chicago, called "Don't kill your baby!" - about how the drive to create formula and pasturized milk was a direct outcome of thousands of infant deaths every summer due to artificial feeding practices. Back 100 years ago, babies were often fed raw cows milk (often contaminated and spoiled) from dirty containers. As a result, the death rates for babies artificially fed (even just partially) were in the high double digits and 80-90% for babies who never got a drop of breastmilk (mainly foundlings and orphans).<br><br>
In this context, yeah, formula isn't too bad. Many kids since the 40s and 50s or so (including me and dh) have grown up reasonably healthy on formula.<br><br>
However, as the PPs have pointed out, it is still nowhere near the same or even comparable.<br><br>
I use the IVF analogy - if you are unable to get pregnant "naturally" (including lesbian couples), then IVF is wonderful. But the risks to mom and baby as well as the cost are substantially higher than conceiving the "old fashion way". Ditto breastmilk vs formula. Default should be breastfeeding, and using artificial milk as an alternative if needed.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I mean, I understand that they almost have to, but it really cheeses me off.<br><br><a href="http://www.albawaba.com/en/countries/UAE/205510" target="_blank">http://www.albawaba.com/en/countries/UAE/205510</a><br>
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Don't get me wrong--I am so glad there are developments towards making formula more nutritionally sound for babies who don't, for whatever reason, get breastmilk. But I fear all people hear is <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/blahblah.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="blah blah"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/blahblah.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="blah blah"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/blahblah.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="blah blah"> Just like breastmilk <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/blahblah.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="blah blah"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/blahblah.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="blah blah"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/blahblah.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="blah blah"></div>
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I don't hear that at all from the clip above, in fact I don't think I have ever heard a formula company try to claim it's just like breastmilk. As close to breastmilk as they can make it yes, but not just like it/
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I don't hear that at all from the clip above, in fact I don't think I have ever heard a formula company try to claim it's just like breastmilk. As close to breastmilk as they can make it yes, but not just like it/</div>
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But they're still comparing it to breastmilk, which, IMO, is like comparing s Slimfast meal replacement shake to a balanced meal of whole foods. It's just not an adequate comparison.
 

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Perhaps "just" isn't the exact word, but the idea's the same. Unless someone's been hiding under a rock <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"> it's not a secret the whole idea is to market formula by saying it's as close to breastmilk or closest to breastmilk <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="rolleyes"> The only reason they're not saying it's just like it is for legal reasons---otherwise, they'd be all over "just."<br><br><a href="http://www.enfamil.com/about_enfamil/t_1_2.html" target="_blank">Even Closer to Breastmilk!</a>
 

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I got it a while ago. I can't remember where I got it from.
 
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