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<p>I just want to clarify that I shared this information because it is information that I did not have when I was expecting baby #1.  If there is anyone out there new (or just updating research)lurking and seeking information, I just want to make it accessible.  I'm not trying to hijack the car seat discussion or imply anything about anyone's choices.  I just wish I had been told some things a little earlier because some of my babies napped in carseat carriers before I heard about the risks.</p>
 

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<p>P.S.  <a data-huddler-embed="href" href="/community/u/89066/onetwoten" style="display:inline-block;">@onetwoten</a>  I just read through this discussion thread and saw that you were in a car accident!  I'm guessing you and LO are fine or you probably would've mentioned.  <img alt=":Hug" src="http://files.mothering.com/images/smilies/hug2.gif" style=""> HUGS, anyway, in any case I'm sure it was at the very least a hassle.</p>
 

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<p>I'm so overwhelmed.  First time mom here and I don't think I have any car seat hand-me-downs anytime soon, but I will FB just in case. <br>
Does anyone have a dumbed-down version of must-haves or warnings I can start with? <br>
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<p>The <a href="http://www.thecarseatlady.com/choosing_a_car_seat/choosing_a_car_seat.html" target="_blank">Car Seat Lady</a> website is a good resource, and there are reviews listed here on MDC.  Specific questions about models/types, vehicle compatibility etc. can go in the <a href="http://www.mothering.com/community/f/422/family-safety">Family Safety</a> forum here at MDC and lots of helpful members usually respond. There is a MDC user named <a data-huddler-embed="href" href="/community/u/107775/carseatqueen" style="display:inline-block;">@carseatqueen</a> who was very helpful in my last car seat shopping experience a couple years ago</p>
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<br><br><p>I like this rear-facing info at the Car Seat Lady website, too.  <a href="http://www.thecarseatlady.com/car_seats/rear-facing_seats.html" target="_blank">Rear-Facing Basics</a></p>
 
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I think a lot of it depends on your lifestyle & what you're comfortable with. Besides researching safety, some questions you might ask are...<br>
Do I plan it use a stroller & if so might I want my infant seat to attach to it? If you answer yes make sure the car seat & stroller are compatible.<br>
Is the weight of the seat important or would I rather get more bang for my buck & have it last longer? The lighter seats tend to have a smaller weight limit.<br>
What is my main mode of transport & what seat works best with that?<br>
What is your attitude towards car seats? I don't need an infant seat b/c my child will not be in it except in the car or I'm ok with short naps in an infant seat & I think I might use it to run quick errands.<br>
Do you want to try to save money by skipping the infant seat & just try the convertible? (Although, if your baby is on the small side you might end up getting an infant seat anyway)<br><br>
I'm sure there are other considerations, but these were what first came to mind.
 

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<p>When you research safety, keep in mind that all seats in a given market have to pass the same tests, it's a pass/fail, they aren't graded. Beyond that, any testing is done by the manufacturer, and we have no way of knowing how accurate it really is. It sounds good in the marketing, but it's definitely biased.<br><br>
Things that concern me are when a seat had to be modified to pass Cdn testing, but wasn't modifed for the US market (or vice versa), they are different tests, with different standards, but something like that makes me reconsider a certain seat. If there are different rules for installation or use in both countries, I tend to opt for the more conservative one.</p>
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<p>For hand-me-down seats, you want one only from a trusted source. Seats that have been poorly treated, in accidents, checked as baggage on flights, had the strapped soaked, or the seat cleaned with harsh cleaners, might no longer be safe, and the damage might not be visible. You also want to be certain to get the manual for the seat, and ensure it's not expired.<br><br>
The right seat for you, the best one for you, is the one that fits your car, your child, and you use correctly every time. A lot of the time, when you pay more you get convenience features or more comfortable padding or extended height and weight ranges, but you cannot count on the seat actually being safer based on cost.</p>
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<p>If you will be flying with your child, you might want to check that the seat you are buying is FAA approved in the US. In Canada, all seats are approved for use on airplanes (with one possible exception, but it's under a recall right now I think, I haven't followed too closely as I don't own that seat).</p>
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<p>The forums at <a href="http://www.car-seat.org" target="_blank">www.car-seat.org</a> are a good place to ask questions, be specific when you do, as if you aren't the first reply you get will ask you for more specifics! Share your budget, your vehicle, what your needs/expectations are for a seat. Obviously, you can't share the baby's size yet, but if you suspect a larger or more petite baby based on genetics, give that info too! If you're in Canada, or other places outside the US, there is a subforum for international issues, since the laws and available seats are different. You do not need to register at that forum to post a question :)</p>
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<p>For me, since I have seats in both vehicles for all children, it's simple to have as many as possible as similar as possible, it's less to keep track of with installation specifics and adjustment types. I also install my seats, and then leave them alone. I don't move them often (and am dreading going out to install them tonight in my loaner car, it's windy and cold!).</p>
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<p>Car Seats for the Littles is a great resource as well. You can compare seats there, and it shows the manufacturers specs, as well as comments on fit, installation etc.<br>
<a href="http://csftl.org/recommended-seats/compare-convertible-seats/" target="_blank">http://csftl.org/recommended-seats/compare-convertible-seats/</a></p>
 
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<p>Yes, what lilmissmama said. It all depends on your intended usage and preferences.</p>
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<p>For us, when looking at carseats initially, the biggest concern was how to make my daughter the most safe-- and research very much supports that the longer than can stay rearfacing, the safer they are (500% safer than forward facing!). So I knew I wanted a carseat that had a high rear facing weight and height limit (my husband is 6'4). I read a lot of good things about the Britaxes, but when I started comparing them to other similar carseats out there, I didn't feel like the features warranted being almost double the price. Some people do, so it's totally preference.  I ended up seeing the MyRide, decided it looked like a very comfy seat, I liked the pricepoint ($150-200), it Rear faced to 40lbs and had one of the highest heights for RF too. I also liked how it had a nice high profile, so i was able to install it in the middle of our backseat, and I could sit comfortably beside it without feeling squished. I started reading reviews for them too, both safety and general usage, and it had very convincing reviews, so we went with it. We've loved it! </p>
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<p>This time around, I looked at radians (well technically, I looked at them before getting pregnant, I was planning ahead). I have heard fantastic reviews about them, and I LOVE the low profile of them, because sometimes lifting a toddler in and out of a high |RF seat really sucks. The RF and FF limits are fantastic too. For us though, we ended up deciding against it because financially it didnt make sense since as others have pointed out, its likely that we wouldnt be able to use the booster function anyways. </p>
 

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<p><a data-huddler-embed="href" href="/community/u/36578/BennyPai" style="display:inline-block;">@BennyPai</a>  Thanks for asking :) I'm fine, I was on my way to work, and thankfully no one else was in the car. It just shook me up really bad, but I'm fine. The car goes in next week to be assessed and see if they're going to fix it, or write it off. We're hoping they fix it. Mechanically its in really good condition and we really like it. A bit worried that there's enough damage that they'll write it off though, and we'll have to find something else. </p>
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<p>Also, I should note above, that when we were first looking for seats for our daughter, we had only one car, and now we have a van that's our primary vehicle, and the car is just secondary, so obviously the van fits different and gives us different needs to work with! </p>
 

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<p>Thanks for all the tips.  Looks like I've got to start with the kind of car I drive and work from there.  Turns out that's a bit of a trick. <br>
You see . . . I love my car.  I've driven mini-vans almost exclusively since I started driving.  (The brief fling with the Volvo was a bit of a disaster.)<br>
I now have a Honda Element and I always thought it was a great "mom car".  Nobody does anything in that car without "mom" (aka driver) having a say about it. <br>
Well, turns out those lovely roomy seats in the back are a bit tough to maneuver when it comes to the car seats, especially rear-facing seats. <br>
I found this <a href="http://emeryjo.blogspot.com/2009/06/honda-element-car-seat-solution.html" target="_blank">http://emeryjo.blogspot.com/2009/06/honda-element-car-seat-solution.html</a> so it looks like I have a place to start. </p>
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<p>I have lots of financial concerns personally, but truth be told, BF makes enough money that it's not the end of the world.  If he'll just sell his "mistress" (the boat) we'd have nearly another K every month, but there are two things we don't discuss anymore - the boat and the wifi.  I'm going to be less concerned about cost in my search until the end.  If I find something I love and it's expensive then I'll just search for the next-best option.</p>
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<p>I will try babywearing for the most-part, I think.  We're/I'm attending a class about that at some point, but I got a brief introduction last Spring to the different carriers.  I have a lot of back/shoulder pain and really dislike carrying anything away from my body (such as a grocery basket or a car seat). <br>
I also am grateful for the information about leaving them in the seats to sleep.  Hopefully we can avoid that. <br><br>
I know we'll need to get the car seat sooner than the other stuff, because I've heard the off-gassing is awful.  I had prepared myself somewhat to buy one used to avoid that, but have looked at a couple options for speeding up the process.  (Anyone with links/info. on that, btw?)  So far the ones I sniffed at BabiesRUs smelled okay so I am hopeful, but I'd like to get a cover that doesn't have formaldehyde and such in it.  (Again any links for this?)<br><br>
Have I mentioned I have a medium-sized dog?  He's kinda the first child so no matter what we do we need to make sure there is room for him.  Fortunately he's very good at getting out of the way and being patient and such.  Except for the dog hair in the back seats (which isn't too bad when I actually clean the car properly and put my makeshift cover on the seat), the car works out super well for us. </p>
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PS: OneTwoTen: Just wanted to include a quick note saying glad you're well and safe.<br>
PPS: Where we live now (and where we will live) there is an insistence on car use and then getting out and walking for exercise so we're planning on having a stroller with a bike front wheel (probably the BOB).  I think the cars (he has a Ford Explorer at the moment) will be able to handle the size of the stroller so I'm not too concerned.  The next car may have to be a mini-van, though, because I do like to use my car as a traveling office/emergency kit.</p>
 

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<p>I'm not super familiar with Elements, but there is a carseat solution for every car, rest assured! And from what I've seen, you're right, and it's a good all around parent vehicle for space and hauling stuff, etc. </p>
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<p>Ahhhhh! I get it now. I just read the article. I didn't realize it didn't have 'full' back doors. For ME in that case, I'll say that I spent most of Tenley's first year sitting in the backseat with her. And since you only have one child, what I myself would probably do, is get a convertible of some sort, and install it. (Does the drivers seat slide forward the same way as the passenger? If so I would install carseat behind the passenger, otherwise install behind driver). Then when you need to put baby in the car, you climb into the backseat, put baby in seat, and then climb back out.  That's what I do with our van now. I sit on the other seat while I buckle her into her carseat. I find it SO much easier than hanging half in and half out of a car, especially in places like parking lots or garages, where you're worried about swinging the door open too much. </p>
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<p>Oh, and yes, the postpartum nurse we had in the hospital last time, pretty much told us that if we left our baby in the carseat for 3 hours one minute, then she would die. Like... I get it, they have to cater to the lowest common denominator and there ARE people out there who only seem to take babies out of their seats to change their diapers and then put them back in... but REALLY? She seriously stressed to us like a dozen times that ANY LONGER THAN THREE HOURS and you are doing SERIOUS DAMAGE!! We were driving home and we were like "ok so lets get this straight... three hours- good to go. three hours one minute... dead baby. Ooooh fine line. lol"  </p>
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<p>We've got a Baby Jogger stroller with 12" wheels, and it fits in the back of our malibu trunk fine. I think it fit in the back of the saturn car too, but jusssssst barely. love my baby jogger btw!!</p>
 

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I saw this at a baby store. I'm not sure if it would help those in small cars, but it might. The swivel on it was pretty slick.<br>
<a href="http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WordMPM8sXs&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DWordMPM8sXs" target="_blank">http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WordMPM8sXs&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DWordMPM8sXs</a>
 

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<p>Those of you that are looking at the Combi Zeus as a solution (it's the swivel seat mentioned in the Element article, and the youtube link above), make sure you check the date of manufacture against the current recall. The ones in stores should all be off the shelves, but it's always good to double check, and if you find one from a trusted friend or something (don't buy 2nd hand seats with unknown histories!), make sure the recall fix has been taken care of already.</p>
 
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<p>I'm going to go with the Chico Keyfit... But since we are talking about car seats..I thought everyone should read this...common safety issues:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.treadingragingwaters.com/2012/02/11-deadly-mistakes-you-didnt-know-you.html?m=1" target="_blank">http://www.treadingragingwaters.com/2012/02/11-deadly-mistakes-you-didnt-know-you.html?m=1</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.treadingragingwaters.com/2012/03/deadly-car-seat-mistakes-part-2.html" target="_blank">http://www.treadingragingwaters.com/2012/03/deadly-car-seat-mistakes-part-2.html</a></p>
 
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<p>I know it might sound strange depending on your own experience that someone might have a baby in a car seat for long periods, but it does happen.</p>
<p>I never would have let my first baby nap for so long in her car seat, had I known it wasn't a great idea. (My niece was lost to SIDS, so anything reducing oxygen intake is just not something I'm comfortable with risking.)</p>
<p>I realize a lot of people's newborns don't sleep for long stretches, and are even restless and colicky but none of mine were and two of my four regularly slept 2.5-3.5 hours at a stretch in the middle of the day.  I used to run errands with DD1, go shopping etc. and just carry her in her car seat into the store, back to the car, back home, and inside the house still sleeping in her car seat.  I was taking classes, so I did the same when I took her with me to the library while I worked. </p>
<p>It was December in a cold climate and I felt that she was warmer and more comfortable that way, all bundled up with a blanket draped over the car seat to block the wind, even though carrying that bucket seat killed my back.  I also would wear her around home, but I was using the Snuggly carrier, and it put strain on my back, especially because she was a large baby.  I fortunately had plenty of time to snuggle, massage, and bond with my baby and wouldn't have left her awake in baby devices for long periods, so no risk for flat head syndrome but it's good info to have.</p>
<p>P.S.  DD1 turned out fine, thankfully.  Always perfectly normal developmentally - ahead actually.  She's in the gifted program for math and reading and science, miles ahead of her classmates, but it's still not a risk I would have taken knowingly.</p>
 

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<p>The Radian, while heavy, does fold flat, so it would store more easily. But, it can be a pain to install, so it might nto make a good taxi-seat, ride with friends-seat etc. Which seat was it you were looking at? Some of those safety first ones are similar to the 3-in-1s that are quickly or too soon outgrown (and a pain to store! if you're going to store it in a tiny space ... you want something that's really worth the money & space & will last a long time!)</p>
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<p>The one I was looking at was the <span id="user_itemName_I1KZVJ7ZTLFEDV">S1 by Safe​ty 1st Easy Fit 65 Conv​ertib​le Car Seat</span></p>
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<p>That flat fold for easier storage might be worth it... I think my mom for some inane reason REALLY wants to get me a carseat (despite my lack of car) because she seems to think I'll carry the baby around in it a lot... just... no. really. no. (We have an ergo baby and a moby, they weigh a lot less than ANY car seat, and are a lot more carry-friendly, IMHO - I also asked my mom if that's why I have posture/breathing problems - because she carried me around in a carseat all the time. *sigh*)</p>
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<p>I RARELY take taxis - usually only when I've worked so late the trains aren't running at a reasonable interval or when the weather sucks too much to walk 10-15 blocks to a local restaurant/music spot - and (while it probably won't win me any "mother of the year" awards *eye roll*) I know carseats aren't REQUIRED by law in taxis (I'm willing to risk a 10 block ride with a baby strapped to ME instead of a car seat - how long does it take to install one of those newfangled contraptions? for how long of a ride? and if it's not installed perfectly, is there even a point?)</p>
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<p>The car seat would mostly be for friends' cars (my sister is a bridge & tunneler - we take the train out to visit sometimes, but there's a car ride from the train station to their house)  or when we rent a car for the week (for running errands or taking a trip to Boston, DC, Philly, etc)</p>
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<p>BUT... if my mom is so determined to get me a carseat, I guess I should let her.. it could come in handy if I end up transferring to the hospital and they won't let me leave without a carseat (even though I'd be taking public transit home *smh* - put that in the category of "unbendable rules with no common sense exception")</p>
 

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<p>The one I was looking at was the <span id="user_itemName_I1KZVJ7ZTLFEDV">S1 by Safe​ty 1st Easy Fit 65 Conv​ertib​le Car Seat</span></p>
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<p>That flat fold for easier storage might be worth it... I think my mom for some inane reason REALLY wants to get me a carseat (despite my lack of car) because she seems to think I'll carry the baby around in it a lot... just... no. really. no. (We have an ergo baby and a moby, they weigh a lot less than ANY car seat, and are a lot more carry-friendly, IMHO - I also asked my mom if that's why I have posture/breathing problems - because she carried me around in a carseat all the time. *sigh*)</p>
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<p>I RARELY take taxis - usually only when I've worked so late the trains aren't running at a reasonable interval or when the weather sucks too much to walk 10-15 blocks to a local restaurant/music spot - and (while it probably won't win me any "mother of the year" awards *eye roll*) I know carseats aren't REQUIRED by law in taxis (I'm willing to risk a 10 block ride with a baby strapped to ME instead of a car seat - how long does it take to install one of those newfangled contraptions? for how long of a ride? and if it's not installed perfectly, is there even a point?)</p>
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<p>The car seat would mostly be for friends' cars (my sister is a bridge & tunneler - we take the train out to visit sometimes, but there's a car ride from the train station to their house)  or when we rent a car for the week (for running errands or taking a trip to Boston, DC, Philly, etc)</p>
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<p>BUT... if my mom is so determined to get me a carseat, I guess I should let her.. it could come in handy if I end up transferring to the hospital and they won't let me leave without a carseat (even though I'd be taking public transit home *smh* - put that in the category of "unbendable rules with no common sense exception")</p>
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For that, I'd almost choose the Combi Coccoro. It's not available in Canada though, so I never could!<br>
It's cute, which helps with the gift giving angle -- your mom might like that! It's not easy to store though. It is easy to install I believe - but I've never seen one in real life ... that Canada thing!</p>
<p>The Radian can be very challenging to install. So if you're installing it in the same cars all the time and you know it works, then it'd be ok, but if you're faced with a different rental every time etc, then it might be more hassle than the simple storage is worth. It's also very heavy -- so carrying it on the train to get to your sister's might not be pleasant.<br><br>
The taxi thing ... since there is nothing magical that changes about the laws of physics, I wouldn't leave a child unrestrained in a cab, even though it's legal :)<br><br>
Depending on how often you anticipate taking a cab with baby, the simplest option for all your needs, except storage, would be an infant bucket seat that can install baseless. It's still more to carry than just a carrier, but it's quick and easy to install anywhere (just put seatbelt over it, through the guides on the seat - barely longer than doing up your own belt). Many of them would get you to 24mth or so, if baby isn't super big.<br><br>
Then you can re-evaluate in a couple years -- how often you've really had to use it, how the storage is working out, etc, and move up to a different seat.</p>
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<a href="http://csftl.org/installing-an-infant-car-seat-without-the-base/" target="_blank">http://csftl.org/installing-an-infant-car-seat-without-the-base/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://csftl.org/chicco-keyfit-infant-car-seat-mini-review-its-so-easy/" target="_blank">http://csftl.org/chicco-keyfit-infant-car-seat-mini-review-its-so-easy/</a></p>
 

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For that, I'd almost choose the Combi Coccoro. It's not available in Canada though, so I never could!<br>
It's cute, which helps with the gift giving angle -- your mom might like that! It's not easy to store though. It is easy to install I believe - but I've never seen one in real life ... that Canada thing!</p>
<p>The Radian can be very challenging to install. So if you're installing it in the same cars all the time and you know it works, then it'd be ok, but if you're faced with a different rental every time etc, then it might be more hassle than the simple storage is worth. It's also very heavy -- so carrying it on the train to get to your sister's might not be pleasant.<br><br>
The taxi thing ... since there is nothing magical that changes about the laws of physics, I wouldn't leave a child unrestrained in a cab, even though it's legal :)<br><br>
Depending on how often you anticipate taking a cab with baby, the simplest option for all your needs, except storage, would be an infant bucket seat that can install baseless. It's still more to carry than just a carrier, but it's quick and easy to install anywhere (just put seatbelt over it, through the guides on the seat - barely longer than doing up your own belt). Many of them would get you to 24mth or so, if baby isn't super big.<br><br>
Then you can re-evaluate in a couple years -- how often you've really had to use it, how the storage is working out, etc, and move up to a different seat.</p>
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<a href="http://csftl.org/installing-an-infant-car-seat-without-the-base/" target="_blank">http://csftl.org/installing-an-infant-car-seat-without-the-base/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://csftl.org/chicco-keyfit-infant-car-seat-mini-review-its-so-easy/" target="_blank">http://csftl.org/chicco-keyfit-infant-car-seat-mini-review-its-so-easy/</a></p>
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<p>yay! more models to ponder (lol) *sigh*</p>
<p>I don't think the "cute" angle matters to my mom... and I'm not a big fan of most baby designs, so I'm a lost cause for "cute" being a plus ;)</p>
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<p>I know nothing changes the laws of physics in a taxi, but for a 10-15 block (about 2-5min in the car) ride maybe twice a year? *shrug* (<span style="line-height:1.5em;">We've been taking note of how often we'd need a carseat since we were expecting the first time [about 3 years ago], and it's really not much.)  </span></p>
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<p><span style="line-height:1.5em;">My brother-in-law's sister and her kids take that 15-20min ride from the train station to my sisters house without a car seat, which freaks me out more than a 10 block cab ride.</span></p>
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<p><span style="line-height:1.5em;">I think the storage "requirement" is more important to us than most people because it will be stored in the apartment about 99% of the time, and actually used about 1% of the time, and it will REALLY bother me and DP to look at an eyesore that we hate and doesn't fit anywhere, so I'm leaning towards fold-flat.. which would also mean I could stick it on a luggage cart folded flat while I carry the kiddo on the train in the moby ;)</span></p>
 

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<p>yay! more models to ponder (lol) *sigh*</p>
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<p><span style="line-height:1.5em;">I think the storage "requirement" is more important to us than most people because it will be stored in the apartment about 99% of the time, and actually used about 1% of the time, and it will REALLY bother me and DP to look at an eyesore that we hate and doesn't fit anywhere, so I'm leaning towards fold-flat.. which would also mean I could stick it on a luggage cart folded flat while I carry the kiddo on the train in the moby ;)</span></p>
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<p>Ignore all other models then, the Radians are the only infant-suitable seat that fold flat as far as I know.</p>
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<p>The RXT has headwings that could break in storage or while toting it around on a luggage cart - they are styrofoam, pretty durable, but still not worth the hassle. So, look at the R120, it comes with all the infant insert/cushions and doesn't have the headwings, and my average size son still fit when he was 6, so it should reasonably get to you booster age. DD came home from the hospital in her Radian :) and was 6lb9oz. I'm pretty sure both the RXT and R120 come with the carry strap -- I have 2 of the straps, and you can buy a 2nd one for your seat, which allows you to carry it like a backpack not a light weight one! I think the seat itself weighs over 25lb, but for a short distance, like down elevators in a hotel/apartment or whatever, it works. All Radians *can* be a pain to install. I've never had trouble, but I've only consistently installed them in Fords (focus, escape, explorer, expedition, freestyle and F150), where they are fine, but not always in the seating position I would prefer - sometimes I must use outboard when I'd rather use center etc.</p>
 
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<p>You're a wealth of information... before today, I didn't even know there WAS a fold-flat car seat!  I'm actually WAY more likely to tote it as a backpack than on a luggage cart - 25lbs doesn't sound all that heavy to my insane self...  my high school backpack weighed more than that (yes, I weighed it, as some PTA peeps were curious how much junk we were lugging around daily after lockers were eliminated). </p>
 

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<p>I meant to come back with our plans, and totally forgot!</p>
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<p>DD is 2.5 and rides in 2 Radians - one RXT and one R120. She's been in those pretty much since birth (though she did have a Graco infant seat briefly until DS passed down one of the Radians to her). She did come home from the hospital @ 3 hours old in the RXT. She's RFng in them both and will be still after the baby is born. DS had an assortment of seats in DH's vehicle, until we ended up getting him a Radian for it too -- 'saving' money getting less expensive seats that were too quickly outgrown actually ended up costing a lot more!</p>
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<p>The current plan is to get another Radian for my car (or get the R100 for DH's truck, for DD, and give her R120 to the baby since it has the infant cushions). I thought we were getting a 2nd Radian (probably R120) for baby in DH's truck as well, but to get 2 RF'ng seats in, and still make it easy for DS(6yr) to get to his booster, and for us to be able to buckle DD & the baby, we may get an infant seat for the truck. It pains me to spend the 200$+ on that, when I know we'll just get a Radian eventually anyway! DD will be using her Radians till she's 5.5y or so, and baby will then be 2.5, and have outgrown the infant seat by then.</p>
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<p>Twins just tossed all my planning for carseats out the window!</p>
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<p>Now, it looks like we'll leave DD & DS as they are in DH's truck, and possibly install one baby base all the time. DH wouldn't likely take all 4 somewhere anyway on his own -- he does the evening activity driving for DS while I stay home with DD right now, and I imagine he'll take DD along but leave the babies home with me, so we're not going to keep all 4 set up in his truck full time (he has 8 seat belts, so there is room, but it'd make his work-cargo space too small daily if we put the 3rd row up).</p>
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<p>My new, revised plan, for my vehicle is DD in her RFng radian center 2nd row. DS Driver side 3rd row in his booster. Babies both in Chicco Keyfits (teh small one, not the 30 ... it's not avail. in Canada), one driver side 2nd row, one passenger side 3rd row. The 40% portion of the 2nd row (passenger side) will be the one that flips down to access the 3rd row. Not a perfect plan, and we'll have to buy convertible seats later (or buy DD combo seats and pass down her 2 Radians?), but this plan is workable for now and at least 18mth after they are born. Just need to test the fit of everything before we buy ... and need to actually find a bench seat for my car! They do exist, I just need to find one where I don't have to buy all 3 rows.</p>
 
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